gedday guys
went out to lilydale airport yesterday to get fuel for pi next weekend.
got it ok but was informed that as of july 1st they wont sell it to us.
has anyone else had this problem.
has anyone got any sources??
graeme
Hello Graeme, heard from a bloke at work with a Repco F-1 motor that you can apply to CAMS, if you have an old racecar that needs Avgas, but i imagine that it would be a painfull process, and the car would most likely have to be logbooked, Colin.
thanks colcol
im logged booked and have a fuel book
im still working on it
You can get it from these places
http://www.cheetahracefuels.com.au/distributorsvic.html
thanks hmd thats close to me
Some fuel depots have avgas, not fuel stations, but fuel and petrol wholesalers \ distributors, but may need to buy 200 litres, and tank isn't cheap, it is aircraft quality, but can be refilled, Colin.
thanks colin ive found a place in bundoora that might be able to help heres hoping is that you colin thomas
regards graeme
It is Colin Thomas, are you Graeme Riccardo from MONTY'S Tyres?, another lead i got was down near Hazelton power station, there is a RAAF base with planes, and there is a petroleum oil wholesaler near by, bit of a long drive though, much better than detonating an engine, Calder used to sell Avgas, back in the days of the Thunderdome, the Nascars and Auscars used to come off the 'dome' and fill up!, Colin.
yes colin good to talk to you as i said i beleive theres a place in clements avenue that may be able to help god knows how much will let you know
cheers mate see you at pi???? next weekend
Clements Avenue?, would that be the place that sells Mustang bits and braided steel oil cooler and brake lines?, P.I.?, too old for that sort of thing< Colin.
This race fuel place on the url will sell you in 20 ltr container (with deposit).
They also go to most state and historic race meetings.
ring the petroleum companys, or don't Martini Racing sell it? The last resort would be to lower compression.
Jim
Ahm guys, if I can add just a quick point here, I was on a National committee looking at the issue of leaded fuels, including avgas, many years ago, mid '90's, under my work role with the Tas EPA. Basically all the EPAs, inc Canberra, and the Petroleum Industry plus reps from CAMS, and a number of the other motorsport bodies met in Adelaide for a 1 day forum.
At that time, and I havn't kept up with this issue since, there was a push for the complete phasing out of the use of such fuels by cars, including a planned phase out of it for motorsport use.
As an interim step, there was a recommendation and it was agreed to at a National level to permit the ongoing use by genuine competitors of such fuels, so long as they filled out a log book which detailed when and where it was to be used. As I understand it, it was agreed to that the use of such fuels could only be for testing and racing purposes.
I do recall that at the time, there were a bunch of other race fuels mostly from ELF that were considered both technically and environmentally acceptable and hence the reason for a goal to phase out Avgas.
As you may also be aware the avaiation industry is progressively looking at alternative jet fuels etc, and so I would expect that with time, Avgas will be a thing of the past. What timeframes are we talking of, I have no idea, as I said I have been out of this issue for a long time now.
The other alternative is Race Fuels 18-24 Moray St. South Melbourne. They sell AVGAS in 20 litre drums and are very handy if you work in the CBD. Call Mark Tierney 9686 8645.
Quote from: colcol on June 25, 2012, 11:35:38 PM
Clements Avenue?, would that be the place that sells Mustang bits and braided steel oil cooler and brake lines?, P.I.?, too old for that sort of thing< Colin.
hey mate you aint as old as me wheres your competative spirit whats goin on ???
I run out of talent about 20 years ago,[truth hurts], Colin.
Come on Colin, running out of talent is not excuse, just replace it with power, everyone does it, you know it.
Now back to subject.
i agree neil get your zest back colin shit im 68 and fading dont give in mate!!!!
Can someone correct me if I'm wrong guys! Years ago Avgas was leaded "petrol" with anti knock addatives and an octane rating of around 115 that allowed compression ratios well up in the stratosphere of 10 to 1 ,in the old days, (much more than that needed Methanol tipped into the tank as well!)that was what was needed to get decent performance from your hot FJ or A30 or Hillman Minx or Toyota Corolla and yes, the Mini! Some people forget! the stuff was designed to fill the tank of your Cessna 175 or old 150 or anything that was designed to fly with a piston engine, lead additives are essentiel for reliable long term use of a piston engine designed for aircraft operation including converted Auto engines like VW and GM Corvair. I must make a correction to a misconception that the term Jetfuel implies that Avgas will operate in a 747..767.. 777.;.....etc. Jetfuel is a much fancier term to use than the real old name product that they fill the Jumbo tanks with today.It is and always will be Kerosene, admittedly with a couple of Extra ingredients. Kero doesn't burn too well in a Continental engined Piper, or a Lycoming in your homebuilt Gyrocopter,..............Open to discussion Gents!.......Cheers
Meanwhile, Another lead on Avgas is Cheetah Racing, ARB Yarra Valley 4WD, 35 Maroondah Hwy Healesville, 5962-3124, must have own Avgas drums, Colin.
Mckanik, from my memory of the discussions held in Adelaide that I attended you are spot on in your understanding. I also recall that the discussion clearly agreed that Avgas will be phased out though when I don't have any idea and besides perhaps since then maybe things have changed. The one question I would ask is Avgas actually needed these days, since as I understand it there are alternatives, which provide all the benefits without the enviro issues with Avgas. Maybe I am wrong in my knowledge of such matters?