I was really happy with Shannon's until today. They say itr is repairer of choice. I went up a driveway with my 164Q and have damaged the front bumper. I had it towed to my local repairer who has always been good. Shannon's are now telling me they have to tow it to their assessment centre in Airport West to have it assessed. They said it is their new rule which they didn't have to inform their customers about. I'm telling them they cannot touch my car. Will update.
That's why I swithched from another well known brand to Lumleys (LSV).
Half the price with limited use and amongst other things, choice of repairer.
Good luck Joe.
No good Joe.
But to play the devils advocate. Are they sending it somewhere just to be assessed, not repaired? Is it perhaps just to keep your choice of repairer honest? As long as the towing costs etc are borne by Shannons it should not make a huge difference to the outcome.......I dont see why they couldn't send an assessor out to your repairer though.
Good luck Joe, keep us updated as a good percentage of us shell out cash to the same provider!
I am certain I saw the Shannon's ad on Sunday night during the F1 with the bloke with his conformadore monaro sprouting how Shannon's is wonderful with choice of repairer. False advertising if that is the case. Good luck Joe.
Neil
I totally agree they shouldn't just approve claims without checking. I told them them if they touched my car it was theft. And if he didn't want to put me onto his boss I would just fix the car myself and cancel the insurance on my cars. After a few minutes on hold whilst he spoke to the "specialist divsion", I was informed that they would assess the car where it is now. I will pursue the issue more once the car is fixed. I cannot see how it is economical for them to tow cars away and then back to the panel shop rather than send an assessor around. The panel shop told me Shannons have become more difficult the last year or so since they were taken over. They also had a customer whose car has been at the assessment centre for four days. Shannon's claim it is only there for half a day. I said to the poor fellow on the phone that we all ow what they claim and what really happens can be vastly different. I was amazed this major change in policy was not passed onto the customer at the time of renewal.
On the subject of Lumley's, is that a stretch GTV on their front page for classic car insurance?!
http://www.lsvinsurance.com.au/
Doesn't sound right from my experience with relatively recent experience with Shannons, but perhaps they operate a little differently depending on where you are. I damaged my 156 and needed help to make it pretty again. I took the car to their office, and spoke with the local rep. He was perfectly happy with who ever I chose to repair it.
We discussed possible/best panel places, I took it to the one I wanted, given their reputation, and thereafter passed the quote through Shannons. No dramas from Shannons afterwards in meeting the costs. I paid the small excess, the repairs were perfect as I wanted. All good. I am happy to stay with them.
The panel shop said it's only been the last few months. The fellow on the phone said it was their current standard procedure. I was "relatively" calm until he said they were under no obligation to inform customers of the change. I consider towing your car to their assessment centre a fairly major change.
Quote from: Derek Entesano on March 27, 2012, 01:23:48 PM
On the subject of Lumley's, is that a stretch GTV on their front page for classic car insurance?!
http://www.lsvinsurance.com.au/
They looked good so I gave them a call. However they won't insure a car if it is not garaged.
Well then that could be a bit of a problem for some. I don't have a garage at home, but do have off street parking. No dramas from Shannons in that respect. Lumleys also don't operate in Tas, so no use to me.
We have a policy with Lumleys and one with Shannons. Had dealings with both and no issues either way. Just passing on the experiences......
I'm only upset because of their very recent changes, I had been a very happy Shannon's customer for close to 20 years and had always recommended them to others.
Fair point Joe - I just read your original post again. That sucks.
Update - got a very apologetic phone call from Shannon's saying I was inititally given the wrong information. They don't tow Shannon's customers' cars away. Feeling better now - my rant (which is unusual for me) must have stirred things up :)
Fortunately have not had a need to lodge a claim however I swapped my insurance across to Lumley for one simple reason .. Shannons stopped supporting AROCA NSW Web/Magazine/Newsletter and Concorso advertising .... apparently because of a 'lack of funds'.
The club ended up writing off more than 2 years of outstanding debt.
Lumleys have more than filled the financial void for the Club and were more than competitive on premium
Of course Lumley's, being part of the Wesfarmers group, will be expected to produce the results otherwise .....
Seems like the Shannons decision was very much State based as I noticed that AROCA Vic have maintained the Shannons advertising support .. alongside Lumley ... an even better result guys
I tried to insure my 147 through Shannon's and they wouldnt touch it.
Said that it was only for enthusiasts.....they asked me all these questions about what car magazines i buy, what car clubs i belong to.
I am exactly the sort of driver they want - i wont even take my car out in the rain.
Frankly they can go F themselves, they'll never see any of my money.
That is such a strange outcome to hear of. Both my 156 and the Miissus '97 beemer are insured with Shannon's, ditto two of our house are as well. Sure I also have my classics insured with them and yes I belpng to a car club, but as to the rest what you say, nope not a problem there-no such questions asked, nor have I heard of such a thing happening. Most of the guys in the club here are insured with them. It makes sense, as you get a discount for each item insured plus on belonging to a club. Reckon you must have spoken to a dud rep.
Likewise, have had several Alfa new and old, original and well 'modified' insured with them alongside the 'other' cars including an Astra and the current Mazda 6 plus until recently house & contents insurance.
They even covered a rear window replacement in the Astra (due to some gruddged up nuff nuff throwing a brick through it), even after finding out the wrong car had been accidentally removed from my policy some months before hand.
The car club and CAMS membership discounts to the premium were a nice touch too.
Always been happy with no issues as to the 'any type of vehicle' they cover these days, so not insuring a 147 is quite odd unless it was an age thing.
Quote from: Fast Eddie on April 05, 2012, 03:42:38 PM
Always been happy with no issues as to the 'any type of vehicle' they cover these days, so not insuring a 147 is quite odd unless it was an age thing.
yes I found it quite bizarre....the guy just casually started asking me what car magazines i read and whether i go to swap meets etc....friggin un believable...
I stand corrected though....this was when i was trying to insure my 1988 Alfa 75(time flies)....not the 147....still, doesnt make sense though.
Yeah maybe I just ended up speaking to a knob, but I was never keen to try them again. I go through AAMI now.....as good or bad as any.
had a similar one when i tried to insure my 90 and 156 they asked me all these question about mags and stuff, said we only insure enthuists, and I said well they are Alfa's what more do you need, said no, then I said ohh hang on I race an as well, then it was Welcome ofcourese we can insure you. Got the 90 done for $6000 there price too, very happy with that one.
Quote from: dehne on April 05, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
had a similar one when i tried to insure my 90 and 156 they asked me all these question about mags and stuff, said we only insure enthuists
ah so i'm not going mad.....yeah thats exactly what they put me through.....you feel like saying 'do you really think i'd drive an alfa 75 and not be a somewhat enthusiast?
Very bizarre, but I supposed I joined many years ago and wasn't asked those questions. BTW repairs have started on my front bumper, hopefully back by Friday next week. In the meantime I'm driving my late father's lime green HQ Premier.
I insured my 156 with Shannons, they asked me all sorts of Questions such as have i ever restored a car, [yes], car club member, [yes], done a defensive driving course, [yes], just to see if i was a car nut or someone after a better price, my brother had no trouble insuring his 147 with them, he rang them for a quote, and they were cheaper than AAMI!, and they sponsor 'Classic Restos' on channel 44 with 'Fletch', sponsor the motor racing on the teeve, their profits being wasted on good things i like, Joe, my god a HQ, i remember the one i had about a million years ago, the handling was understeer with more understeer, with severe understeer thrown in, and the recirculating ball steering so vague, you break into a sweat trying to keep it going straight.....better than public transport though, when you get your Alfa back, you will love it a little bit more, Colin.
I've been insuring three classics with Shannons for a number of years. I think all of the above issues mentioned are correct depending on when you had the experience, shannons have over time changed their stance on a number of things.
They used to only insure classics and used to ask all the questions etc. and only issure you if you were an 'enthusiast" (proven of course by your answers to the million and one questions). Over the years however they have become a lot more relaxed and now insure all of your cars (dailey drives) not just your classics. Their current add campaign is really pushing this, along with home insurance, discounts for multiple vehicles taken with home insurance etc.
One thing that hasn't changed is that they don't insure if the cars not garaged, I have tried to insure some family vehicles that aren't garaged and on the street and after telling the truth (I can't garage the veichcle) they have refused to insure. How they police this I am not sure but thats their stock policy unless its changed recently?
I am certainly surpirsed by the choice of repairer thing, however I understand that they have recently become part of the AAMI group and this is stock AAMI policy. However there is a way around it as I have the "street parked cars" insured with AAMI.
If we have had an issue with these cars I get two quotes (ensuring that one quote or both are from AAMI approved repairers - the good ones) and then book an appointment for an assesser to go thru the quotes and accept my preferred quote rather than them shipping the car to an assessment center and you then have no control of the repairer who fixes your car or the quality. It takes a little more time to do but its worth it, you get to talk to the repairer, you know whether they are quoting new or second hand parts etc. and you have much more control on how your vehicle is repaired and who repairs it.
I got this method from a beaut AAMI employee some years ago (as AAMI wont tell you) when I had a problem with a bad repair after my car was towed to the assessment center. it works every time (and your entitled to get your own quotes - minimum two and book an inspection), I have even had my BMW repaired by BM Melbourne after getting my own quotes and insisitng that given that it was a prestige vehicle that it should be reqired by BM Melbourne spray shop rather than a non BMW repairer.
The benefits of your own repairer especially for classics is significant, hopefully Shannons is not going down the path of not providing choice of repairer. be interested to hear from anyone who has experinced this recently as I would consider changing to another insurer if this was the case.
1750GT
I swapped to Lumleys for my older cars. Very happy with price and when I came to claim (2600 had a scrape...ouch), Lumleys were brilliant.
That is strange 1750GT, as both my 156 and the missus Beemer are not garaged nor ever have been. I don't have a garage, but they are parked on our driveway. Ditto my Super is under wraps on the driveway and I havn't had a problem with insuring any of them. My other classics are in a lockup garage I rent on the other side of the city. I just got my re-newal notice from them, the choice of repairer entitlement is still listed as part of what they offer. I needed this last year when I damaged the 156, no dramas there.
As to all the things about questions, perhaps the Shannon's rep here is very relaxed as I have never had to answer any sort of questions about my enthusiasm for classics etc. Insuring through them couldn't have been simpler. They were perfectly happy to accept my valuation on my cars, and that hasn't changed. Interestingly my '03 156 Sportwagon is listed as having an agreed valuation of $14,400 which I am sure is above it's market value. So I am happy. ;D
Car all fixed. While it was there I had the side skirts repainted at my expense so all the plastic now matches. After initial dramas, all good with Shannon's. I'm happy to recommend them again.
Quote from: Joe Garra on April 17, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
I'm happy to recommend them again.
Its not us you have to convince, its the sales person at the Shannon's end who wants to know how many copies of Unique Cars we purchase a year and have how often to we shammy our mudflaps !
Note for Tony re your comments about Shannon's and AAMI - see this Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suncorp_Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suncorp_Group)
"Suncorp also owns the AAMI, Apia, Just Car Insurance, Shannons, InsureMyRide, Vero, Terri Scheer, Bingle, CIL, Asteron and Tyndall insurance brands in Australia"
Torben