Hi All,
I have had a guy contact me who is looking to sell his Montreal.
From what he tells me it is a very good example. '74 model, original Green colour, around 60k original miles. Was purchased from Tasmania as a good clean example back in the mid '80's, he ran it in the Grand Prix Rally in '88 & '90 and hasnt had much work since then and has been sitting in the shed just north of Seymour for a while.
$35,000 neg.
PM or call me for details (or if you want to give me some cash and I will go and look at it!)
Thanks Phil. I'm interested but as I am in Noosa for a couple of weeeks, and then Spectacalo, I wouldn't be able to have a look at it until November 24th. Can you arrange for me to visit?
Group S car Phil?
It crossed my mind ;)
But I couldn't do that to this car....to good for that.
Mmmmm group S Montreal. Did they ever race them back in the day?
They are on the Group S list and CAMS has a spec sheet for 'em.
Sheldon, stop encouraging him......although....could you fit the angine from a race 33 from the period, i mean it is the same motor - how much HP were they making? Could be a weapon against the Pantera's.....how would it handle though?
It's basically 105 suspension, and theres lot of stuff out there for them to handle well....where there's a will ;)
My cheque book is fast gaining the consitency of rubber however :'(
I don't want to discourage you from buying the Monti, or even racing it group s. But there are some significant differences in the suspension between the Monti & 105. The major one is that the springs are unique. You'll be on your own with King springs. Discs are unique, brake calipers are 105, but with spacers for the vented rotors. Master cylinder is unique, but a bore size that is common. The 105 Koni shocks are pretty close, but have a little less travel. The ball joints, etc are the same as 105. There was at least one Monti raced in its day by a guy called Harvey Bailey in the UK. In australia Richard Anderson is noted for rallying one in QLD and there is a guy with a black one that is stripped for racing in the SA club that occasionally brings it to Philip Is.
The green ones look very nice. It seems to have been a popular colour in Europe. Its probably the most common colour amongst the 34 that attended the meeting in Camrils in September.
Doug Gould
Tell me about the motor...
see 33/2 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Tipo_33
Scott
I don't want to put a damper on your party but a T33 motor has about as in common to Monty motor as a Twin spark has to a GTAM, the same basic design concept by nothing is common between the two, and there is enougth external differances that you wont pass one off for the other for very long. you would also have to find a 2.5L version, the rareset of all the T33 motors.
Quote from: Doug Gould on October 30, 2007, 04:44:12 PM
There was at least one Monti raced in its day by a guy called Harvey Bailey in the UK.
Is that the same Harvey Bailey the suspension specialist?
Did the factory ever race Montreals?
Rhoddy Harvey-Bailey. I think he was the only non-Italian to drive a GTA for Autodelta, or was that a vicious rumour?
http://www.harveybailey.co.uk/racing_archives.asp?
Quote from: a sharp on October 30, 2007, 04:59:21 PM
Scott
I don't want to put a damper on your party but a T33 motor has about as in common to Monty motor as a Twin spark has to a GTAM, the same basic design concept by nothing is common between the two, and there is enougth external differances that you wont pass one off for the other for very long. you would also have to find a 2.5L version, the rareset of all the T33 motors.
Yes all true - but if Alan Goodall and I could pass off quad cam's as a std GTV6 motor in Marque Sports, i think we could do the same with a T33 in a Monty for Group S......sounds like a great project for Phil...
The In 1975 Carlo Chiti's team at Autodelta fitted a 3-litre 340 bhp version of the Montreal engine to two special light-alloy Alfetta GTV shells. Described at the time as an Alfetta GT3000, this hybrid car has been referred to as a GTV8 after the appearance of the GTV6. One of these cars was entered in the rally of Elecar, Piacenza, Italy, in December 1975 but failed to finish due to failure of the gearbox (in spite of its having been strengthened). After further improvements were made for the 1976 session, the car had a few racing successes before the project was abandoned to save costs and the two drivers Jean Claude Andruet and Ballestrieri left the team.
One of these cars was located near Milan and fully restored by Bob van der Sluis in Holland. It has been described by Jos Hugense in the Dutch Alfa Romeo Club publication "Het Klaverblaadje", No. 73, 1996. Ed McDonough's impressions on driving the car at the 1997 SCARB meeting at the Assen circuit are recorded in "Assen Alfas", Auto Italia, No. 19, March 1998. It is believed that the second car was sold to Japan in 1990.
In 1977, on the initiative of Horst Reiff, Alfa Romeo's German distributor in Aachen, a very small number of GTVs were equipped with the Montreal's normal 200 bhp engine. These GTV shells were the regular steel ones and only the bulge on the bonnet betrayed that they were fitted with the V8 engine. This powerful coupé was marketed in Germany as the Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 for DEM 50,000. 0-100 km/h acceleration for the hybrid vehicle remained as for the Montreal, but the maximum speed was claimed to exceed 230 km/h.
A fine original Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 is maintained by Stefan Schmölzl in Bavaria, South Germany. These pictures show the engine bay from the side, from the front, and the car in 1992 and in 2000.
Starting with parts from an incomplete original car, Manfred Kopp has completely rebuilt an Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 which is beautifully finished in metallic champagne colour. This picture shows the engine bay. Manfred maintains an Alfetta GT Club website.
Richard Anderson and Martin Darch are currently making a replica Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 to compete in the Classic Adelaide and possibly the Targa Tasmania events. Martin would be very pleased to hear from anyone who has original documentary material on this model.
Quote from: Justin Jacobs on October 31, 2007, 02:51:04 PM
The In 1975 Carlo Chiti's team at Autodelta fitted a 3-litre 340 bhp version of the Montreal engine to two special light-alloy Alfetta GTV shells. Described at the time as an Alfetta GT3000, this hybrid car has been referred to as a GTV8 after the appearance of the GTV6. One of these cars was entered in the rally of Elecar, Piacenza, Italy, in December 1975 but failed to finish due to failure of the gearbox (in spite of its having been strengthened). After further improvements were made for the 1976 session, the car had a few racing successes before the project was abandoned to save costs and the two drivers Jean Claude Andruet and Ballestrieri left the team.
One of these cars was located near Milan and fully restored by Bob van der Sluis in Holland. It has been described by Jos Hugense in the Dutch Alfa Romeo Club publication "Het Klaverblaadje", No. 73, 1996. Ed McDonough's impressions on driving the car at the 1997 SCARB meeting at the Assen circuit are recorded in "Assen Alfas", Auto Italia, No. 19, March 1998. It is believed that the second car was sold to Japan in 1990.
In 1977, on the initiative of Horst Reiff, Alfa Romeo's German distributor in Aachen, a very small number of GTVs were equipped with the Montreal's normal 200 bhp engine. These GTV shells were the regular steel ones and only the bulge on the bonnet betrayed that they were fitted with the V8 engine. This powerful coupé was marketed in Germany as the Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 for DEM 50,000. 0-100 km/h acceleration for the hybrid vehicle remained as for the Montreal, but the maximum speed was claimed to exceed 230 km/h.
A fine original Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 is maintained by Stefan Schmölzl in Bavaria, South Germany. These pictures show the engine bay from the side, from the front, and the car in 1992 and in 2000.
Starting with parts from an incomplete original car, Manfred Kopp has completely rebuilt an Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 which is beautifully finished in metallic champagne colour. This picture shows the engine bay. Manfred maintains an Alfetta GT Club website.
Richard Anderson and Martin Darch are currently making a replica Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 to compete in the Classic Adelaide and possibly the Targa Tasmania events. Martin would be very pleased to hear from anyone who has original documentary material on this model.
I am currently building a 1999cc GTAm type (narrow angle/twin-plug/monosleeve) engine for Martin's Autodelta Alfetta rally replica; I think this is the Targa car in question.
However, I also have a 3 litre enlargement of a Montreal engine underway for a local Alfetta for the same purpose.
I also have a 2.5 litre T33 engine for rebuilding, and it is similar to, but not the same as a Montreal.
I will document both projects and compare components for a realistic re-appraisal of urban myths! Should make good space-filler in the magazine.....
From the AlfaBB (http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/motorsports/50339-bobcor-montreal.html)
I've seen a few photos of this car - in bright orange!
It would be of great interest I am sure and would be a top article [ possibly as a seriel ?] for the mag . Fantastic to have this level of spealist engineering work going on in Melbourne . Some colour pics would be a nice addition [ both race car and engine build] .
Has the green Montreal that started all this changed hands ?
Not quite in Group s spec,but my they did look good
You know i am am really warming to the idea of a Grp S Monty. (thanks Phil) Maybe one day.