Here is a subject that no one has ever done before, what was the first time you actually learnt about Alfa Romeo's, my 1st experience was in the early 70's while i was still at high school, we had this Italian teacher who shall remain nameless, who looked like a cross between a Hollywood heartthrob and F1 driver Clay Reggazoni, he used to be our drama teacher, and he would doing theatre at night doing Shakespear, but to pay the bills he used to appear in local drama's on the tv such as Homicide and Division 4, he was always cast as the Mafia crime gangster, and as he used to tell us with great amusement, learning the classics at night, so when he was on the telly he would always say, "You can't prove a thing sarge, i wasn't there, i didn't kill that man, i was somewhere else", all with a heavy Italian accent, he always had about TEN girls waiting for him in the carpark waiting to carry his books or just talk to him, i used to wait near the carpark just to hear the glorious exhaust note, by then i had been a car nut for about 5 years anyway, oh and the car was a red 105 coupe from the early 70's, tell us what made you discover this amazing Marque, Colin.
Col, not so much when I first learnt about them but rather how I got into them.
My first car was a Renault 750 (4cv) which had a series of troubles which I tried to solve as a complete ignoramus home mechanic. Fortunately when I hit a problem I couldn't solve there was a mechanic not too far away who seemed to know everything about cars and motors and was an incredibly nice fellow and didn't charge much. His name? Agostino "Ben" Beninca! While I learned about the basics of cars I was also intrigued by stories of the supercharged Fiat Topolino he built to speed up his trips to woo his subsequent wife Maria. So I soon figured out that the only sensible way to go was Italian cars and Alfa in particular and as soon as I had a remunerative job I bought a Guilia Super. Many Alfas later, I am still here.
Col, I thought many more might have posted on this topic and therefore decided to wait, but no, and so suppose I should throw my observations into the ring. I was 8, living in Lugano (Swiss/Italian border), back in '68, when my parents bought for me some model cars for my birthday. From memory, while not specifically Alfa, they were all Italian...Lancia Fulvia coupe, Ferrari Dino prototype, and a Fiat 124. My uncle had a brand new Mercedes 250 coupe, which was supremely elegant....needless to say having come from Aus, where the family vehicle was an old Holden FE, such delights were un-immaginable. Needless to say I saw plenty of Alfas, Fiats, Lancias while in Europe, since as a family we made foray's down to Italy quite regularly. However, as a child I didn't distinguish what was what.
Later on when back in Hobart and in 1st year high school, a best mate once gave me a ride home with his dad, in his new Alfa 1750 GTV (I assume S2), and remembering at the time thinking that the car was brilliant. Later on I recall seeing my first Giulia Super (well a TI) in Grey with a white roof (strange to say my brother has the remains of this car). I remember at the time thinking what an ugly car it was. I know so uneducated as Giulias are seriously 8) !!
However, wasn't until I was about 18 that my brother bought his first Alfa, a Ti 1300, did I begin to fully appreciate just how great our Alfas are. Ever since my first ride in his Giulia, I became addicted and also simply had to have one. Many Alfas later, I have some of the cars of my childhood memory.
Hey Davidm1750, I lived in Lugano in the mid '70s where I was first exposed to twisty, narrow mountain roads (lived on Monte Bre and went to school in Montagnola).
My Alfa experience: Moved back to Sydney from the US in 1982 and purchased from the Alfa importer one of the first five split-dash GTV6, as the model was not yet approved by the australian authority it was registered as a 2.0l GTV, drove it everyday to work, 90 or so traffic lights eachway (regularly presented by New York license when pulled over); discovered a second GTV6 in the neighborhood owned by a pretty girl, both cars were exhibited at the premiere of Octopussy in Sydney. While visiting Lignano, Italy met another very pretty girl, now my wife, who was a true Alfista with two Alfasud under her belt; her cousin owned an Alfa dealership in Udine. After living overseas for 20 years moved to Melbourne 7 years ago, reluctantly had to give up karting (no equivalent CAMS license) and so to fill the need of pleasure & thrill of tinkering & driving in 2009 purchased a 1980 GTV.
See you all at the Spettacolo.
Hehe Kartone, how about that !! I will have to check with the family where exactly we lived, as we were staying with my Aunt/Uncle and our cousins at their home (a former Hotel). All I can recall was that it was up and out of town, overlooking the Lake. I remember walking down to the lakeside on Christmas day, celebrating my birthday there etc. I also remember going on trips with our parents down to Verona, Milano, out to Venice etc, all of us crammed in the back of a Morrie 1100, which we had picked up in Southhampton, and used for all of our travels around the UK, around France, Belgium, Germany and over to Switzerland etc.
Many great memories of meeting my family over in Europe. Ah yes and I too went to School for a bit in both Zurich and Lugano. I was definitely the curiosity factor for the other kids there !
I really like these stories. First time from what i can remember i was 9 and the 156 had recently come to Australia. I saw it on the road in kew. It was red with tan leather. Soon as i saw one i was like wow, what is that?! Didn't see one for a bout a year after that. My old rowing coach was an italian, who drove his parents 166 and then later bought him self a '83(?) GTV6 and took me for a blast up to falls creek. I was 11.
When the new JTS engines came out, dad took me to the motor show and we checked them out. Stocked up on posters, and the GTA versions had just come out. I was 12/13. Now I'm 21. Not an amazing story but i drive the car of my childhood dreams. Not my parents, not given to me, not a present. Mine. Awesome, awesome feeling.
OK, here is my 1st Alfa Romeo story Mk2, Was in 1974, my 1st year of work, was an apprentice working at a place making Leyland P-76 bodies,[!], an engineer turned up, with a rare to Australia, 105 coupe, but i knew this Marque, see previous story, he was showing us his new car, it was white, 2 litre, twin over head cams FOUR Webers, all alloy engine, 5 speed gearbox, all coil suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, top speed over 120 mph, wow!, i thought this is a car company that has some good engineering going for it, he told us it cost him $8,000 new, this was when a Melbourne house was worth $30,000, i thought, this bloke must be worth millions, maybe a hotted up EH Holden is not the way to go, but one of these funny Italian cars with all the good engineering, 12 years later i purchased my first Alfa, 1984 33 TI, not dissapointed one bit, 25 years later still got it, drove it one hour ago, love it to pieces, [still], Colin.
Colin did you buy your 33 new? if so how much was it divide that by 25 years. yep cheap motoring/enjoyment
My first real experience, being i had seen a 33 and a gtv before but not really looked at them, was when i was 19 was going to buy a cheap car and the father in law was into alfas and said i should check this car out and it was only $1500 it turn out to be a 2lt red alfetta 79mdl with sunroof and what i thought a whole lot of sex appeal i loved this car and did a crap load of miles on it it blew 2 engines and killed a gearbox, i then brought my first 90 and thought i would restore the fetta to as new cond but as most will agree it did not happen and it ended up where all alfetta should and thats at matty francis house.
Hey Ray, you should know me by now, i am too stingy to buy anything new, it was 18 months old when i purchased it from Talbot Motors in Collingwood in April 86, as you know Alfas always break down and they don't last a long time like Japanese cars, would have purchased an Alfa a lot earlier, BUT i have always worked for the local car industry for Manufacturers and suppliers, and there is always pressure to buy something local, or you are considered disloyal, so see what my 1st car was, a VW made at Clayton at the old Volkswagon factory, Colin.
At 22 I saw a mates red 1.5 carby 33ti and fell in love, I bought it off him a while later, found a pair of sparco race seats seats, a timber steering wheel and knob and thrashed the life out of it. When the performance wasn't enough I bought a 1.7FI 16v engine and installed that into it. Polished up the tele dials and put in a 1.3 gearbox, the 33 was a sprint weapon. After that I went to a Lancia beta coupe with an Integrale 8v engine, then to a GTV6 that was awaiting the 3.2 GTA engine, but I didn't finish that one...now the GT. Looking fwd to getting it on the road. I am now lusting after a 2600 spider or a duetto 1600/1750.
Pancho. Get medical help NOW. :D
There's a million stories out there and here's mine.
I got the thumb out on the side of the Hume and headed for an adventure in my adolescence to Queensland. Wasn't long before a funny little aqua green sedan picks me up. I throw my kit bag in the back and take a seat in the front seat that seemed real comfy. Didn't take long. A short glance into the driver's mirror and 6 grand on the tacho, we take off. Surprised out of my shorts, I started to look around the interiors of this car I had never seen before. Beautiful timber dash. Fabulous instrumentation. An induction note coming from under the bonnet that suggested great muscle and excitement.
The power poles were going faster and faster past my window and we seemed to have passed 50 trucks in the blink of and eye and settled into a cruise mode. I sneaked a glance at the speedo. We were doing a hundred miles an hour without any fuss and heading for Albury. Every now and then, the brakes came on and they came on hard followed by some more growling from under the bonnet and another three cars are passed in one manoeuvre. Like wow man, I have never travelled in a car like it. Let alone such a small one with this much performance.
As I got out at junction in Albury, I turned to the driver and just had to ask him what was this car. He smiled briefly and simply said, an Alfa Romeo Giulia Super. I was hooked for life...then I my life changed even more.
I got a lift with a fruit picker going north in an EK wagon with a shagged rear muffler and whyne in the diff but all the Kelpie wanted to do was lick my ear all the way to Parkes :(
Not exactly sure when my first experience was with Alfa Romeo but probably in High school. I love Italian cars and in particular Ferraris and Alfa Romeos from the 60s and 70s. A mate of mine had a 1978 GTV6 and so did his girlfriend! ;D
I had seen the 105 series cars on the streets of Melbourne and Geelong and fell in love with the styling immmediately. Towards the end of Uni I finally bought my first Alfa Romeo - a 2000 GTV from 1974. It was maroon with beige interior and everyone looked twice at it! I was still very green about how much trouble these cars can give you if you are not educated and if they have not been looked after. Still, the little car full of rust and countless other little issues, sounded sweet and handled beautifully. My Italian class mates loved her as did most of my friends.
Sadly, I sold the car not long after I married but fortunately we now have little blue or "Alfie" as my kids call it! My father-in-law who is a car nut and huge Ford fan thought Alfas were trouble but even he was surprised at just how well the little car drives. ;) Good Times!
Nice story MD. Wasn't me who picked you up. My car was white! Spent a couple of years with the Guilia Super commuting between Melbourne & Canberra. Always travelled at night. The speed limit in those days was a statutory 60mph which meant if you were going quicker you had to be able to prove it was safe to do so. Sat on 5000 rpm all the way which I think was around 100mph.
And of course if you were about to pass an ordinary car with pretensions you always changed down to be sure to get the lovely up change sound as you passed his window!
Cheers Dave
Yeah hi David. Of course there is a lot more to that story but if I reveal the details,it may not reflect too well on certain parties that shall remain nameless as it is not material to my introduction to the love affair with Alfa. I had to wait another 18 years before I could afford a Super. My grown up kids still talk about it.
BTW that business about "open" speed limits in Vic. got me off from going to Jail 20 years later..
I was motoring in western Victoria and on my way to Adelaide. I decided to let the Guilia stretch the 2 litre legs and I had it cruising at 170kph. Within about 10 minutes a VL Commodore pulls out of the bushes with no police decals just a blue light. After a couple swear words, I pulled over.
The young officer asked me how fast I was going and I promptly told him 170 as it was a clear fine day, dry conditions with clear visibiltiy in my vehicle designed for the purpose. And so I asked him, what's the problem? He said the limit was a 100. To which I said, since when? Then I said to him I was originally licensed in Vic and as far as I knew, the "open" limit rules applied still but I stood to be corrected as I had been out of the state for 20 years. Cripes his said, I see you got Qld plates ! Well, I suppose I had better get you back to Qld and so he fined me for about 115kph and said to take it easy as those rules no longer applied.
Not all cops are arseholes..
It was about 1968 and I was feeling like the King of the Road. Between Geelong and Warrnambool, I was nudging 99.5 mph, 100 mph , absolutely shaking in my Falcon XM.
Suddenly and without warning beside me a Giulia changed gears as he passed and headed off into the sunset.
My 3.2 Spider would eat him alive now, but alas he is nowhere to be seen.
Ross
Ah yes, Big Black
I think I remember a club member then who drove a Super around that time - a white one. He used to enjoy doing that; changing into 5th at around 100mph, right by the driver's door!
Hahaa. I used to be in that lunney club too.
Get to the driver's door and change up to fifth just as the Ford would get light on the steering from all the lift and the guy behind the wheel white knuckling it to stop it wandering all over the road and then a quick glance in the rear view to see a pair of popped eyeballs sticking out like organ stop and the lips mimming, WTF was that ??!! ;D ;D
The usual answer being, it's a Fiat, I think it's a Fiat.. :D
And some of the American based local cars would go faster than our cars that were 'only' 4 cylinders, but our cars were a joy to drive at high speeds and rock solid on the road, where other cars of less sophistication would lift and go light and wander all over the road, 'unsafe at any speed', as someone once said, Colin.
Quote from: bonkfrog on January 06, 2012, 11:12:48 AM
Ah yes, Big Black
I think I remember a club member then who drove a Super around that time - a white one. He used to enjoy doing that; changing into 5th at around 100mph, right by the driver's door!
It seems to me that the 3.2 Spider I have with six gears really only needs one, third actually. It is good for 0 to 160. So now I could pass the Ford, change into 4th, then 5th, then 6th...
Quote from: colcol on January 06, 2012, 09:03:12 PM
And some of the American based local cars would go faster than our cars that were 'only' 4 cylinders, but our cars were a joy to drive at high speeds and rock solid on the road, where other cars of less sophistication would lift and go light and wander all over the road, 'unsafe at any speed', as someone once said, Colin.
Since this is general discussion perhaps I can give you another Ford story. Those non-speed limits were something else.
Usually on the trips back home from courting in Warrnambool I used to chase a Bolwell, but that thing was really fast.
I had a '68 XT Falcon which would do 108 mph, and couldn't get near him. The Falcon had been a demo at Nu Brent Ford and I think they hotted it up a bit to impress the customers. I usually cruised at 103 and backed off to 100 to go through those little towns like Winchelsea.
However one night I came across a Mini with a blown head gasket so I (kindly) offered him a tow.
I said, put your lights on when you think you are going fast enough.
No lights came on. 50 mph. 60 mph. 70 mph. I saw in the mirror that he lit a cigarette, so, 80 mph...still no lights
QWe were hitting the ton coming over the brow of the hill before Waurn Ponds, and there across the road was an accident. Well we dodged it all, and pulled in for petrol just after.
Wwwwwwwhat ssssspeed wwwwere wwwe dddddoing back there, he goes.
Over 60, I replied.
As we pottered through Geelong he saw an RACV van, so he ran over the rope, broke it, and I never saw him again.
I once had a Fiat 1100 and towed a VW back from Bendigo to Ringwood. We had to get up speed to get up the hills at all, and I'll never forget passing a semi-trailer going uphill (dark, raining, no lights on the VW), at 75 mph.
Driving is boring these days. I learned on the farm at 7 yo, then had a T model Ford at 13 and an Austin 7 at 14. So I did a lot of towing. Fabulous experiences.
Quote....Driving is boring these days.....
Truer words were never spoken.
Between the revenue raising and the do gooders league, the system has radar trained koalas, low flying aircraft with exhaust heat seeking video, a stop-go paddle merchant at road works at every 200 metres and now they talking about introducing 40 kph speed limits. FAAAAAAARK ! The only thing not happening yet is an option to front a firing squad instead of paying the fine for offenders !! I hear they are considering it.. :D
Nah, I'm afraid the glory days of actually enjoying legal touring are long gone. The thrill of going past the white knuckle pilots is now pushing up daisies.
The only substitute today is track time. Hence the rising popularity of amateur motorsport.
Now if I can only turbo my wheelchair.... ( I am getting the blueprints of this one ) ;D ;D
Just off the Eastern tollway here in Victoria 100k speed limit down to FORTY kays due to roadworks, on a Saturday, except there are no roadworks!, how dangerous is that, doing 100, then down to 40, i wonder how many cars will get rear ended in that part of the road, when my brother and i used to sprint our Suds and 33's, and on the odd ocasion one would break down, we used to tow each other home, bit boring, but no harm come of it, do it now and you would be locked up, latest 'speed kills' campaign on the radio here in Victoria, one of the lines is "we are everywhere", [hiding behind trees], "we will get you, so watch your speedo", [don't watch for kids running out in front of you], just watch your speedo, it doesn't matter what mob of pollies you have in, they are all hopelessly addicted to the revenue, Colin.
Yep 'fraid so Col, the days of pure unadulterated driving pleasure are mostly but a dream/memory now. And boy I sure have some good memories of such drives. I also have to agree the speed limit thingy is really starting to become actually quite dangerous at times. So hard to keep track of and speedo watching is plain irresponsible for the pollies and do-gooders to be pushing down our throats. Shortly we will need the man with a red flag walking in front of us as we drive at that rate.
However, despite all that, down here in the little island, if you are prepared to travel a little there are still plenty of great driving roads with very few to no 'fun police', killjoy cameras, to harass you. I am not advocating being stupid or dangerous on the roads, for that is silly, but still to enjoy our cars as they were intended is very much possible.
I agree with all of your comments regarding the joy of driving has been taken away. There are so many more distractions on the roads now - road works, speed cameras, those who can't drive (sitting on 80 in a 100 zone or don't indicate and can't merge into traffic), so many different speed limits in a short stretch of road, etc... :-[
These distractions have caused us to concentrate on our speedo rather than the road itself. Better education around speed is the way to go. This idea that speed kills and speed cameras are there for "road safety" is total BS! >:(
If the pollies, etc are serious about road safety, they should be building better roads with the taxes generated from fuel and rego, have compulsory driving training for new drivers, make getting a licence tougher so people appreciate it more (see how they do it in Germany), have cars checked for roadworthy every year or 2 years (get rid of the trash off the roads), and get rid of the speed variations i.e 50/70/75/85/90 km/hr etc.
Well that's my 2c worth not that 2c coins even exist anymore! Driving is a privilege and should be enjoyed without all this so called political road safety and the red tape it is wrapped up in!
I grew up in a family of motor mechanics and I spent many years driving and modifying VW Beetles, including drag racing one of my 1956 cars quite successfully in the mid 70s to 90s. I used to see Alfas around the streets and on the racetrack and always respected them. I knew that Alfa always made cars that were a complete package, with the engine, brakes and handling all complimenting each other. They were way out of my price range though. A friend of mine had a 1600 GT Junior that he bought new and kept for many years and I drove it a couple of times in the early 1980s. I loved the sound of the Webers, but didn't drive it far enough to get a feel for the handling. Even when I started teaching in the early 80s and earning a good wage, it didn't occur to me that I could have easily got a loan to buy a new Alfetta GTV. I owned various cars over the next twenty years, including P76s and still kept my VWs. It wasn't until my wife and I decided to travel to Italy with our kids in 2002 that I got well and truly bitten by the Alfa bug. We were planning to try and live there for a year, so I started searching the web for second hand cars to buy in Italy. One car that kept coming up was the Alfa 33. I didn't know much about them so I went to have a look at a 1988 1.5 for sale in a car yard. After years of driving all sorts of cars, that 33 was a revelation. It felt like it was glued to the road like nothing I had ever driven. I took my wife out there to drive it and she felt the same, so we bought it and stored it at my sister's place while we were in Italy, for what turned out to be six months. We sold the 33 just prior to returning to Italy for 12 months in 2005. While we were there I bought a red 75 3 litre over the internet and a 33 1.7 which was intended for my daughter to drive when she got her learners upon our return to Australia. Since then we have had a total of nine Alfas, including two 33s, two 164s, three 75 3 litres, (two of which are Potenziatas), and two Alfetta GTVs. We currently have the original red 75 which my son now drives, (although it is off the road awaiting a steering rack rebuild at present), a red 164 which my wife drives, my black 75 Potenziata and my daughter's 1981 GTV 2.0. My first Potenziata sadly caught fire due to a fuel leak two years ago and is sitting in the garage with the possibility of being a long term project for my son.
We have just got back from driving the 164 and my Potenziata to Beachport and back for ten days. They both performed beautifully. My family and I are all involved in the Alfa club. I have been a committee member for the last few years and am currently Vice President for the second time. I was President last year. My 19 year old son is club secretary this year. So even though I was a late starter as an Alfa owner, I think I have made up for it since.
Our next door neighbour in NZ had an Alfasud. I knew the car from from reading the price lists at the back of the AA magazine. It cost more than a Kingswood! I also couldn't understand why it was called a SUD. Further up the street, my best friend's mum had a 1750 Berlina. I loved being in the back watching the wacky dials where the needles would bounce all over the place, and it smelt good too.
My first car "crush" was a Audi 80GLE which I was trying to convince my Dad to buy to replace a Kingswood. Didn't happen but the next year I got my driver's licence at 15 (gotta love NZ!). My dad introduced me to a friend of his who was a car nut as well. He asked me if I wanted to take his Alfa 105 GTV for a drive. Didn't need a 2nd invitation! As I was cruising down the motorway, he told me to put my foot down, so I cranked it up to about 170km/h before we headed home. I was hooked!
My dad felt left out and bought a new 75 after that which he generously lent me whenever required. (Often required for dates ;-))
My first car was a Vauxhall Victor which frankly wasn't a great choice. However a guy I knew who helped me change a head gasket, and we went to get the spare parts in his Alfasud...Only 1200cc but I couldn't believe it when he kept wringing it out to 8000 revs. He didn't spare the horses either.
The Victor left in favour of a Fiat 124 AC Sport (and then a 2nd one, sold for twice what I paid for it) before a Lancia HPE, a Fiat 131 Racing and a Lancia Montecarlo which I bought on behalf of my folks as an investment. My mum used to take it shopping all the time and apart from being a little impractical, she got stared at a lot!
Finally a rusty Sud became my first official Alfa, and was followed by a couple of 75s, a 1985 Sprint and finally a 2001 GTV V6.
Torben
A beige rusty sud! Great colour choice - very inspiring!