Hi Guys,
I would like to make a set of GTA seats such as these http://www.alfaholics.com/2010/07/alfaholics-1600-gta-stradale-front-seat-124/
Are there any drawings or original seats around that i could copy? I am also interested in making a few extra sets if there is enough interest. I'm sure it can be done a lot cheaper than the Alfaholic ones.
Nick
Sounds like a great idea, though I'm not sure the seat drawings would ever have been done as such. I think you'll have a few people keen if they're good - including me.
I would definitely like a set as well......
Thank's for the positive feedback. I also posted on the Alfa BB GTA forum with less than positive feedback!
I would like to slowly start making other sheetmetal components for the 105 series coupe including GTA if anyone has any ideas or needs any specific parts? I have some photos of aircraft sheetmetal structures that I have made on webshots. Not Alfa related but shows what I can do. http://rides.webshots.com/album/240839100ofSZOc
Nick
Quote from: boomerang147 on August 31, 2011, 08:49:12 PM
Hi Guys,
I would like to make a set of GTA seats such as these http://www.alfaholics.com/2010/07/alfaholics-1600-gta-stradale-front-seat-124/
Are there any drawings or original seats around that i could copy? I am also interested in making a few extra sets if there is enough interest. I'm sure it can be done a lot cheaper than the Alfaholic ones.
Nick
I have taken a mould from the GTA/Am/T33 race bucket used from around '68/'69 onward by Autodelta. Also have underway (...slowly) a mould from the A/delta GTA early corsa buckets from aroung '65/'66. Both are from genuine corsa seats of the period from original race cars. Pm or call me.
Thanks Vin, i will give you a call tomorrow
nick
Quote from: boomerang147 on September 01, 2011, 07:57:20 PM
I also posted on the Alfa BB GTA forum with less than positive feedback!
I noticed that! FWIW I re-read your original post and didn't think you deserved that serve.
Good luck!
Totally agree with Evan, Nick. Its very much a hit and miss forum over there and in cyber space annonymaty seems to give certain individuals a sense of ultimate supremacy and power??? I'm sure that everyone here will agree that the forum being spoken of is an absolute wealth of knowledge, so don't bother about the very few nuff-nuffs that can't help themselves. It says a lot about aussie culture and willingness to help out though, which is evident in your very post. Make sure you include a special surchage (like an AR Sole Tax or som'tin) for when those blokes place an order...
Thank's guys, I rarely post on forums generally because of these types of people. You have to be extremely carefull how you word things so as not to offend anyone.
Anyway I have spoken to Vin and there is a possibility that I could make some racing seats using his moulds. We will have to discuss this further as he has gone to the effort of making these moulds and should benefit from any agreement that we come to.
If I go ahead with fibreglass seats, then I might also have a go at reproducing some dashboards. Mine is the early type and is off getting repaired at the moment and this would make a good master if there is any interest in them?
Nick
Quote from: Cool Jesus on September 03, 2011, 12:13:32 AM
Totally agree with Evan, Nick. Its very much a hit and miss forum over there and in cyber space annonymaty seems to give certain individuals a sense of ultimate supremacy and power??? ...
... here is pretty hit and miss as well. A lot of the time, I think the first response you get will dictate the tone of responses in general. There is very much a pack mentality on the forums out there, but you can't dismiss the disruption of the wolf pack of one ... Sorry just thinking of the Hangover :)
Actually if those seats from Alfaholics are as good as they say they're not bad value at around $1150 plus shipping. Probably best to try and buy one at a time though to avoid the GST....
I did enquire about a set for my Giulua Sprint GT and all up including the seat rails including shipping but without GST came to about AUD $3600.
Hopefully I can source a cheaper alternative but that might be the only solution for me. Looking at pictures of the alfaholics seats, it does look amazing in the car though.....
Nick, are you looking to try and make exact metal framed and inner sprung replicas or vynil covered fibreglass units?
Quote from: bteoh on September 03, 2011, 05:13:41 PM
I did enquire about a set for my Giulua Sprint GT and all up including the seat rails including shipping but without GST came to about AUD $3600.
Hopefully I can source a cheaper alternative but that might be the only solution for me. Looking at pictures of the alfaholics seats, it does look amazing in the car though.....
So it's £750 per seat?
Plus mounts, plus rails plus shipping - not a cheap exercise to have sent here unfortunately.
Pancho, The idea was to make an exact reproduction of the 1600 GTA Stradale type as on the Alfaholics site, but so far I havn't been succesful in obtaining any drawings or a sample. In the meantime there is the possibility of making the racing style seat which Vin Sharp has a mould of. Looking at pictures on the web, this design is a simple fibreglass bucket with steel frame moulded to the back and bottom, and then upholstered. This design was for racing and probably wouldn't be very practical for road use. I will wait until I see the construction of the seat before deciding whether to go ahead with it or not.
Nick
Quote from: pancho on September 04, 2011, 09:30:48 AM
Plus mounts, plus rails plus shipping - not a cheap exercise to have sent here unfortunately.
Yeah - that would add up.
Might be an idea then if you get no further to do a group buy of one and strip it then make a few sets for those keen?
It would be a good idea although I'm not sure of the legalities of it. Alfaholics copied an original seat, so in theory we would be copying the original design, so no copyright issues? Just dont mention it on the AlfaBB Forum!
Nick
Well, that being said there is the issue of the Twinspark AHM manifolds and the AH version, do a google and you'll likley find the irony here.
Boomer, intellectual property or 'copyright' as you are referring to it, is only ever an issue when $$$$ is involved and then it needs to be an original, new, inventive, etc... idea/design to begin with. You're correct that there will be no issue with yourself manufacturing a similar seat frame and it certainly sounds as though your not in it to make a huge profit if you do make extras for AROCA members, not that this would change the initial issue. I'm finishing off this unit of law in my final semester at Uni. Its more of an issue if you use brand names and pass them off as being the genuine article.
If you want to be sure here's the relevant website for you;
http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/ip/introduction.shtml (http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/ip/introduction.shtml)
I'm quite happy to be involved in a group buy / strip down as Pancho suggested earlier, if there are no other developments. Are there any original seats in Australia whose owner could be persuaded to loan?
Can anyone else put their hand up for expressions of interest?
Nick
Boomer, had some time on my hands and did some quick research.
Here are some alternative websites
http://http://worlduph.com/alfa_romeo/105-115_series_coupe/ (http://http://worlduph.com/alfa_romeo/105-115_series_coupe/),
http://autoparco.sakura.ne.jp/parts/no01.html (http://autoparco.sakura.ne.jp/parts/no01.html). I don't think these are what you are after though, they're corsa model seats.
A couple of threads too,
]http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/giulia-gta-gta-1300-jr-gtam-1965-1975/163673-gta-autodelta-seats.html] (http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/giulia-gta-gta-1300-jr-gtam-1965-1975/163673-gta-autodelta-seats.html),
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfa-romeo-cars-sale-wanted/3528-gta-seats.html (http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfa-romeo-cars-sale-wanted/3528-gta-seats.html),
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/giulia-gta-gta-1300-jr-gtam-1965-1975/172616-1-43-model-car-gta-1600-autodelta.html (http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/giulia-gta-gta-1300-jr-gtam-1965-1975/172616-1-43-model-car-gta-1600-autodelta.html)
I've noticedd that one of the regular members on the other website has given those earlier critics an absolute shellacing.
Thanks for doing the research! I had a quick look, but will have a proper look shortly. It was good to see some differing opinions on AlfaBB.
Nick