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Title: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on August 26, 2011, 12:42:58 AM
For next years rally, this time from Melbourne to Cairns via central Australia, I decided I needed slightly more power than Mario I (http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=4898.0) had provided, and also some better looks.

This should do the trick.

(http://hoonanism.com/wp-content/uploads/hoonanism.com/2011/08/MII8.jpg)
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on August 26, 2011, 10:01:49 AM
Good call big guy. As you have learned (from experience of others  :)) the cooling system is critical. So as before, take spare head gasket, re-tension head now, clean radiator core and replace all hoses including heater hoses. Take spare water pump if you can afford it. Not to say this stuff is suspect but more to the point that you know that it isn't.

By now you know all the short comings of transaxles and  you can work on the key areas. This is good lateral thinking.

Look forward to developments of the second episode..happy to make another donation.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Paul Gulliver on August 26, 2011, 11:04:40 AM
Wise choice Sheldon . That sun roof should make all the difference.

Gully
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: aggie57 on August 26, 2011, 11:49:31 AM
V6 vs Nord 4.....the battle is on!!
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Davidm1600 on August 26, 2011, 12:14:04 PM
You little bewdy, 2 Alfas have got to be better than one.  Should be epic,  ;D.  Have fun, and for sure count me in for a donation again.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: pep105 on August 26, 2011, 02:52:52 PM
Brilliant Sheldon nice chioce good to see you've upgraded  :)

An extra 8 or so horses (depending on engine spec) and a few Nm plus those striking Alfetta good looks and a sunroof - you wont know yourself.

You've got my vote and donation. Good on you for doing it again
Im pissed off though because your alloys look in better nick than mine  :)  

Could you post more details on the subject vehicle please

Thanks

Your day just gets better when your driving an Alfetta.......
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 26, 2011, 04:00:56 PM
I'm really stoked to be joining Sheldon this year in the mighty Mario II.  We picked up the car a week or so back in the dark, based on a vague description of 'a little bit of rust'.  The new Mario Speedwagon is a 1983 Alfetta 2-litre, in a fetching faded red with brown highlights.  He runs a bit rough, but strongly, and the usual mix of things wot work and things wot don't work.

Sheldon has kicked things off with a post over on his blog hoonanism.com (http://hoonanism.com/2011/08/shitbox-rally-2012-mario-ii/) so check that for more details.

The donation page for our team Scuderia Shitbox is at:
http://www.everydayhero.com.au/scuderia_shitbox_2012

It's for a great cause - research and treatment for cancer - so please give generously.

(http://hoonanism.com/wp-content/uploads/hoonanism.com/2011/08/MIIr1-1024x768.jpg)
(http://hoonanism.com/wp-content/uploads/hoonanism.com/2011/08/MII15-1024x768.jpg)
(http://hoonanism.com/wp-content/uploads/hoonanism.com/2011/08/MII22-1024x768.jpg)
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 26, 2011, 04:03:30 PM
A highlight of the new shitbox was the inclusion of a team mascot - a decomposing rat conveniently placed in the engine bay!  Luckily there was no nest of rubbish in the air cleaner, and no sign of chewed wiring or anything else.  The interior is remarkably clean and good condition, no rat poo!

(http://hoonanism.com/wp-content/uploads/hoonanism.com/2011/08/MII5-1024x768.jpg)
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: alfagtv58 on August 26, 2011, 04:13:25 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on August 26, 2011, 04:03:30 PM
A highlight of the new shitbox was the inclusion of a team mascot - a decomposing rat conveniently placed in the engine bay! 

Surely you can come up with a symbol of a serpent devouring a rat then.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on August 26, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: pep105 on August 26, 2011, 02:52:52 PM
You've got my vote and donation. Good on you for doing it again
Im pissed off though because your alloys look in better nick than mine  :)  

Could you post more details on the subject vehicle please

Hey pep105.  For the right a donation you're welcome to come and swap the alloys.  As you know from last year pep105, I'm happy to give away good stuff in exchange for donations, it's all for a good cause. 

More details on the vehicle will be forthcoming as we start to take it apart.  At present there's not much more to tell than what Evan said.  It was built late 82, complianced mid 83. 

It's made me want to get an Alfetta though, this car is seriously cool!  I love the quad-lights, the sunroof, the beautiful dash.  Shame it stinks like dead burning rat though...

We'll let everyone know what parts we'll be needing, a list is being made as we speak.

Thanks guys, don't forget to donate.... ;)
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: pancho on August 26, 2011, 10:12:06 PM
Looks like you boys will be riding in style next year!
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 29, 2011, 08:23:02 PM
We were a little puzzled by the four-headlight grille, which I had thought were only on the GCLs.  The wiring and mounting points look stock though.  A little research in David Wright's 'Alfa Romeo Downunder' and I think Mario II is an Alfetta 'Migliorata' - manufactured in late 82 and sold as a 1983 car here in Oz.  They had the four headlights, electric windows, and walnut facia on the instruments.  Wot luxury!
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 29, 2011, 09:31:37 PM
Dear Mister Bottcher,

with reference to your request we are informing you as follows.

According to our documentation files, the chassis number ZAR 11656003011217 originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo Alfetta 2.0 RHD, manufactured on the 21st October 1982 and sold on the 10th February 1984 in Australia.
The body colour is Alfa red.

Yours, Sincerely,

         Marco Fazio

(btw - archiviostorico@alfaromeo.com no longer works - use centrodocumentazione@alfaromeo.com instead)
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on September 01, 2011, 11:40:17 PM
We found out today what killed the rat...
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: AlfaACT on September 02, 2011, 12:17:14 AM
It'll be the only Alfetta Spider ever driven from Melbourne to Cairns ... or anywhere for that matter!  ;D

On the other hand, it's a very sedaentary looking spider!
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on September 02, 2011, 12:22:26 AM
Quote from: AlfaACT on September 02, 2011, 12:17:14 AM
On the other hand, it's a very sedaentary looking spider!

I'm surprised he was still hanging on in there by this stage, he/she was a gutsy little bugger.  See how the dash is all shiny?  That's not Armorall....
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 02, 2011, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: AlfaACT on September 02, 2011, 12:17:14 AM
It'll be the only Alfetta Spider ever driven from Melbourne to Cairns ... or anywhere for that matter!  ;D

Boom boom.  The only way to redeem a corny joke like that is a healthy donation to a worthy charity.  8)

(Which can be done at http://www.everydayhero.com.au/scuderia_shitbox_2012)
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on September 02, 2011, 07:01:28 AM
Little miss Muffet,
Sat on the front seat, eating her curds and whey.
Along came an Alfa spider and sat down beside her but she said" I don't give a rat's arse which one of your legs is broken but if you crap on this dashboard you won't have a good one left". ;D
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Davidm1600 on September 02, 2011, 08:21:42 AM
Very Funny MD.  Glad I had just finished my breakie or I might have choked on it  ;D  but definitely not curds and whey !!
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 05, 2011, 11:24:27 PM
I think the fumes will have cleared in the car from all the arachnicide we sprayed, might be safe to take for a spin.

The left taillight backing board is rusted badly.  Does anyone have a spare?
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: ARQ164 Shane on September 10, 2011, 06:27:52 PM
wow that a lot better then this EH . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WopdIgBG1dA
  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D thats funny
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 17, 2011, 01:12:25 PM
A bit of progress on der box von scheiße.  Milano spares gave us a generous price on some electric window regulators and a door handle, very grateful thanks Mark.  The front is all good, just need to put the rear regulators in and she'll be great.  Managed to get a look at the car on the hoist and the usual mix of things - one rear caliper seized and leaking, rear donut, leaking exhaust, and the front castor rod bushes are stuffed.  One castor rod front bush was so worn it would move an inch and a half by hand.  Oh so that's what was making that clanking sound.

Otherwise good compression all round and runs great with a new set of plugs.  Needs a good Italian tune up.  And some rust cut out.

Sheldon on the other hand, decided he didn't want to do any work on the car so sprained his ankle.  Nice example of a kankle.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 17, 2011, 01:18:28 PM
Got some tail light backings courtesy of Mr Francis.  All for a good cause, thanks Mat.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on October 30, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
Mario II went on display today at Spettacolo.  Unfortunately he didn't win the concourse, nor the concorso, nor the concours.

Mario has some new castor arm bushes, taillights, window winders, and some lovely new bodywork and paint.  Best I don't post any detail photos of the bodywork  :-X

We're doing okay in terms of fundraising, special thanks to forum members Pancho, Krishnan, and MD for generous contributions.  We've even had a donation from a member of the AlfaBB from Florida!  Remember the donations can be made directly to the cancer council here: http://www.everydayhero.com.au/scuderia_shitbox_2012
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on October 31, 2011, 09:54:34 AM
Even though you didn't win, congrats for making a HUGE splash we could feel in Queensland !! ;D

On a side note, I get a bit squeamish when I read that a brilliant transaxle like an Alfetta is referred to as a "shitbox" but then I realise you chose it for its rugged beauty, fabulous handling, mucho good looks and balls bigger than gorilla nuts to get a tough job done and so I have quietly become reconciled with the term.  :)

BTW Please don't paint the bonnet. It gives it that "lived in" look that says have some respect. I've been to hell and back.  ;D
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Craig_m67 on October 31, 2011, 11:14:54 PM
I want to know more about the flower power 90 at the top right... Does it still have it's attaché case? :)
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 01, 2011, 09:44:11 AM
Quote from: Craig_m67 on October 31, 2011, 11:14:54 PM
I want to know more about the flower power 90 at the top right... Does it still have it's attaché case? :)

Can't comment on the attaché case, but I can say that it's a rare find in Australia - a four cylinder Alfa 90...
You can see their thread here: http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=7610.0
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 04, 2011, 09:13:42 PM
The rally route has been announced...

OMFG - Melbourne – Wentworth – Tibooburra – Innamincka – Windorah – Winton – Undara – Cairns.

http://www.shitboxrally.com.au/route-2012/
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on March 26, 2012, 06:49:52 PM
Mario II is nearly ready for battle.......
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Stuart Thomson on March 26, 2012, 09:19:54 PM
Sensational, I love it guys.

Added one thing to pack for SBR 2012, Chalk, large quantities, fluorescent colours, for the drawing of obscene pictures on Mario II.

After all we wouldn't like him to feel left out!

Cheers
Stuart

P.S. the 90 is being masked up for cosmetic surgery as we speak, well, actually not 'cos I'm typing this, just needed a break.  Will post pictures soon.  The 50% off 3M paint at Supercheap was hard to resist.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on March 27, 2012, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: Stuart Thomson on March 26, 2012, 09:19:54 PM
Added one thing to pack for SBR 2012, Chalk, large quantities, fluorescent colours, for the drawing of obscene pictures on Mario II.

Yes, I wondered if that might have been the case, which is one of the reasons why that's not our chosen colour scheme.  That had been an idea, and that was just a preliminary photoshop to see how it would look.  Sucked you in anyway....

Actual progress on the cosmetics below, we've just got to polish and apply stickers now.  Also attached a couple of pics of the almost finished sister Alfetta of team Two Amigos, they're coming along very nicely.

Mario II is pretty much ready mechanically.  We've fixed or checked everything important, the only slight concern is the leaky piston rings on cyl 2.  We accidentally cooked him last week when a plug for the fan fell off without us realising, so we did a compression test as a precaution, which is when we discovered the rings problem (the smoke he was blowing was also a clue).  We'll be packing plenty of plugs, and oil.

The fact that he decided to only drive on 3 cylinders when I took him to the supermarket tonight is of slight concern also.....  Was getting dark so didn't have a chance to have a good look for the problem, will have a decent examination tomorrow.  Worryingly he didn't want to idle as well as he has been recently, until warm anyway, and then the aforementioned 'running on 3' problem surfaced, but only under load, he revved fine when in neutral.  At this stage I'm thinking either fuel pressure, or dodgy plug leads, but please, any suggestions or experience with a similar problem most welcome.

Hoping it's nothing too serious, we're not really geared up for an engine transplant this close to the event.  Other than that, we're planning on taking him for a couple of decent drives just to check everything is in order.  The event is only 2 and a half weeks away, so I can feel the excitement building!!!
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on March 28, 2012, 08:10:35 AM
Quotewe did a compression test as a precaution

So what are the compression figures for all 4 cylinders?
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on March 28, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
Phew, it was just a fouled plug on cylinder 3, so that eases our minds slightly.  Still blowing a lot of smoke though, and we've been advised to 'not let it idle for too long'!!  I don't need much excuse to give an engine a good hard flogging every time I use it.

My pet theory is that a bit of oil is blowing through the breather, and since cylinder 3 is right next to it, it's copping a bit more oil than it would ideally like.  There was a bit of oil underneath the breather inlet into the filter housing, but not shitloads.   Just a theory, and I know bugger all about these things, so....

Evan is taking it for a decent drive tonight, so we'll see how that works out, and I'll probably take it for a decent flogging on Saturday.

Quote from: MD on March 28, 2012, 08:10:35 AM
So what are the compression figures for all 4 cylinders?

Sorry mate, don't know.  Our tame mechanic did it for us as a favour, in his spare time, so I was sat in the seat pressing the brake pedal and cranking the starter while he did it.  He knows the figures would mean nothing to me so he didn't even bother.  All I heard was "yep, hmmm, yep, yep".  And then "do you want to re-build the engine before you go?".  Me - "hells no'.  Tame mechanic - "take lots of plugs and oil..."
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on March 28, 2012, 10:12:25 PM
Well other than obviously clearance issues due to wear, oil control rings that are all carboned up from too much city driving, worn valve guides and hardened valve stem seals all will give rise to oil burning from blow-by. Sustained heat from continuous driving with the occasional (and progressive high revs)will burn off some of this carbon but dont expect miracles.If you give an old engine that has upper cylinder caked up with carbon some serious big revs thinking it will get rid of the problem, it may do the opposite. This is because the inertia of the piston travelling at hihger velocities than usual will cause it to touch areas a little higher than usual and can break rings if making contact with this build up and once that happens,shit happens.

So the lesson is progressive build up of revs over time and not in one big go would be my suggestion.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 28, 2012, 10:18:22 PM
It was billowing smoke earlier today, but that settled down after a bit of a drive.  Perhaps it was a stuck ring, or it might actually have been a bunch of fuel dumped in the exhaust when the plug was fouled, and burned off?  Seemed fine this evening anyway.

Unlike the cooling system, which is not doing it's job.  Sheldon and I just back from taking Mario II for what was meant to be another good test drive, but he overheated pretty quickly and we had to nurse him home.  This involved stopping regularly and drinking beer.

Tomorrow I'll pull the radiator and give it a flush, see how blocked it is.  Also I'll read about how to properly bleed the cooling system - I'm used to Sud/33s where they are pretty much self bleeding.

This is going to be an interesting rally :-D
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Neil Choi on March 28, 2012, 10:36:31 PM
Evan

Bleeding the Alfetta cooling system is easy, near the thermostat is a 13 mm brass bleeder, loosen that carefully and bleeds the system, also at the rear of the motor, undo the heater hose to bleed as well.  5 min and you are done.

But check your thermostat, also.

Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on March 28, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
Evan,

Flushing the radiator may or may not produce any major improvement as inevitably cars of this age have too many blocked tubes in the core. This means removing the top an bottom tanks, cleaning out the deposition and resoldering the original tanks. Once reinstalled, be sure to add 33% ethyglycol to your coolant and check the cap for correct pressure. I think a trip to the radiator works is looming.

If you can get a garage to do a pressure hold measurement on the cooling system before you do all this, it may help diagnose if there are head gasket leakages as well.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 29, 2012, 04:36:16 PM
Thanks Neil, MD,

Tested the thermostat this morning and it was stuck closed, so replaced with a new one.  That sorted most of the problem - car holding a good 80 degrees in stop/start traffic and on the highway.  But still not happy with the radiator as the fan won't cool it down easily, so that's off to the radiator shop to be sorted.  Just as good ol' MD predicted :)

No expense spared on the cooling system... !

cheers,
Evan.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on March 29, 2012, 06:32:23 PM
Sticking thermostats will do it for sure but I am glad you didn't elect to save some bucks and leave it out. The reason is that the hotter the engine below boiling point, the more efficient the combustion process and so more power is delivered and better fuel economy. People who take them out and leave them out are making a serious mistake. "Cold" engine running also accelerates the engine wear not that you guys give a rats about that in this situation but the fuel economy returns will more than pay for you thermostat outlays. Good call.

A few other things that affect engine getting hot that you may care to look into if it is still happening later.

Fuel mixture. Is it too lean?
Fan belt. Is it slipping?
Incorrect engine timing

This is also a good opportunity to check the water pump seal and bearing, suspect heater hoses that may blow and of course condition of the top hose.


I know you guys know all this but it doesnt hurt to get a poke in the ribbs to remind you to do it so you can clear your concscience and say but we checked that !@!
;D
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 29, 2012, 09:27:30 PM
Stickers are fun.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: alfagtv58 on April 01, 2012, 04:49:39 PM
So...Sheldon....how did Mario go this weekend? ;)
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 01, 2012, 08:34:31 PM
Well, Phil, it was a bit of a mixed weekend for Mario II, thanks for asking.

I drove him out to Evan's country estate, about 130km away, and he ran like a dream.  No overheating, no fouled plugs, stereo goes pretty loud etc.  Same for the drive back, except that about 50km out of Melbourne, 110km/h in the fast lane, he suddenly lost power.  He would idle, but very roughly, not take any revs, and spit back through the carbs.

I looked under the bonnet for the problem, but soon ran out of talent, so the RACV was summoned.  Turned out the distributor was completely rooted, which I was actually pretty relieved about, 'cos that's easily fixed.  So, after 4 hours on the side of the highway, Mario had to go back to Melbourne on the back of a truck.  Slightly undignified for an Alfa, but I'm glad it happened now rather than in two weeks time.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 01, 2012, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: alfagtv58 on April 01, 2012, 04:49:39 PM
So...Sheldon....how did Mario go this weekend? ;)

Smart ass!

I was looking at that photo thinking geez that looks nice for a shitbox.  And he's also practicing for his secondary role as a beer holder! 
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: alfagtv58 on April 01, 2012, 09:09:11 PM
Hehe.  Like you guys I'm glad it happened now too. The car looks great in the flesh btw, if I had room I would be tempted to bid for it at auction and drive it back from fnq.

Shame you can't see the cock and balls I drew into the dust on the bonnet in that photo.  At least I was the first one in before Stu gets to it with his chalk....
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: alfagtv58 on April 01, 2012, 09:15:44 PM
Oh yeah, let me know if you want that sump guard. Ill gladly donate it if you think you will use it.  I can drop it off to you, you can come and pick it up or we can meet halfway at....oh I don't know....somewhere that serves beer.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 03, 2012, 08:39:51 PM
Quick update.....

It looks like the tip of the rotor button fell off, lodged itself somewhere and then as the four whizzy bits (sorry, don't know what they're called) hit it at high speed it caused them all to be bent way out of shape.  No wonder Mario II was spitting fuel back through the carbs.....

An attempt was made to fix the dizzy (thanks John Rosa at Maranello Pursang), but it proved to no avail, as it still wouldn't provide a spark.  We instead got a standard Bosch one, quickly fitted and lined up the timing (excellent work by Evan by-the-way), and he fired up straightaway.  Subsequent checking with a light proved we'd got the timing right first go, so great result!!

He actually runs better now than he ever has in our time with him.  Definitely more power, better idle, and better response too.  We're both very happy, and getting extremely excited about the start, only 10 days now!!!
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on April 04, 2012, 08:06:23 AM
Sheldon

A good call to go with the Bosch distributor. I have yet to find a local mechanic that knows what to do with a Marelli distributor and what makes things even more shitty is that over time the advance curves springs loose their tension and alter the timing. Very few workshops that I know of still have advance curve calibrating equipment (possibly the high end racing teams do) to plot the advance curves if you replace them.

The Bosch unit does not suffer from these vagaries.Better understood. More reliable. Simpler to service.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 04, 2012, 09:11:12 AM
The stuffed distributor was a Bosch electronic.  When the rotor fell apart it got wedged in the sensor (hall sensor?) with the fine copper winding and four electrodes.  Dead.

Replaced with a Bosch points distributor.  I think you said last year that was a good idea anyway MD - simpler and easy to fix.  We'll carry a couple of spare sets of points.

What next?
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on April 04, 2012, 04:09:01 PM
Aha ! Now I see it all said the blind man.. :)

Just one spare points set will do Evan. (save the bucks) However it is important to match the condenser value to the HT coil. They need to be a matching pair to avoid points burning out too quickly.

If you have the coil part numbers, a local Bosch distributor should be able to give you the capacitor part number. Because the chemical inside the capacitor dries out with heat and age so that it's value changes or it becomes useless, it should be changed now to go with a new set of points.

It wont suprise me if I told you that too last time cause there is a lot of Swiss cheese evolving in the cranium these days and lucky for me I only got two letters to my name. ;D
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 04, 2012, 11:24:12 PM
With help from the boys at Maranello Pur Sang we built a VERY SOLID bash plate to protect the sump and exhaust on the car this evening.  I'm sure Stuart could amuse us with a photo of Sheldon almost on fire as we heated and bent the 4mm plate (kindly donated by a fabrication shop opposite Colebrook St).  Sounds like the Strzelecki track is pretty rough and rocky, so the bash plate might see some action.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: alfagtv58 on April 05, 2012, 08:54:20 AM
That is pretty solid!  Do you think it will have a negative effect on the oil temperature now that you have taken the air flow away from the cooling fins on the sump?  Might be alright in the Melbourne cool temperatures, but if you hit some hot days up north......
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 05, 2012, 09:21:45 AM
Quote from: alfagtv58 on April 05, 2012, 08:54:20 AM
Do you think it will have a negative effect on the oil temperature now that you have taken the air flow away from the cooling fins on the sump? 

Almost certainly, but probably a pretty small effect.  I'd rather cope with that issue than a hole in the sump though....
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: alfagtv58 on April 05, 2012, 09:31:46 AM
I suppose, its not in competition so it shouldnt be revving at 7000prm all day.




















But then again, I have seen you drive  ;D
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on April 05, 2012, 09:47:08 AM
Perhaps a compromise move would be to remove the plate (only 4 bolts) and make 3 or 4 x 50mm holesaw cuts in the front section which would retain the guard effects and allow some air flow.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 05, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Like Sheldon said, not too worried. We know the radiator, hoses, thermostat, and fan all are tip top so cooling shouldn't be a worry.

Edit: I should never reply on the iphone.  Meant to say - but thanks for the suggestion.  Hopefully cooling won't be a worry given those other things are in good nick now.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 05, 2012, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: MD on April 05, 2012, 09:47:08 AM
Perhaps a compromise move would be to remove the plate (only 4 bolts) and make 3 or 4 x 50mm holesaw cuts in the front section which would retain the guard effects and allow some air flow.

That was definitely something I considered when we were pondering how to make the guard, but I was worried that small rocks might be able to get in the holes and wedge themselves between the plate and the sump.  That could prove pretty disastrous I reckon. 

It's supposedly gonna be 30 degrees here in Melbourne tomorrow, so I'll take it for a decent 2 hour drive and keep an eye on the temperature.  If it does run any hotter it won't be too much work to cut some holes in the plate and put some steel mesh over the holes.

Looking at the data we're unlikely to get any temps over 35 during the rally.  Although a few days of 31-32 could be tough on the poor little shitboxes.  Glad I'm not driving a V6......
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Brad M on April 05, 2012, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: Sheldon McIntosh on April 05, 2012, 02:14:08 PM
Glad I'm not driving a V6......

Hold your tongue,  Stu & I know you are jealous ...
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 05, 2012, 06:00:13 PM
Hehe.  Happy to keep my V6 experiences to the racetrack, rather than river crossings.  You should be alright with your lifted 90 though, and also good thinking moving the ECU higher, we had water getting inside last year. 

I'm just running through various waterproofing ideas right now actually, I reckon we'll make a better attempt at preventative measures than last year.  Almost certainly going to take a tarp to make a 'blind' on the front of the car to help with the bow-wave, will do a better effort at protecting the dizzy etc.

Jeez I'm getting excited, there's about 1600km of unsealed driving this year, a lot more than last year.  I reckon there will be a lot more dead cars this year..
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: MD on April 05, 2012, 06:04:22 PM
Guys, not to be too anal about this. Just to refine my point. I agree with you that the engine coolant temp will be ok as you say.

My suggestion was about the heat build up in the oil and affecting viscosity and in turn oil pressure which in turn,,,

I should have made this clear but I assumed we were on the same page.

More importantly, I hope the punters are getting behind all your hard work with some finacial follow through. Great to see local business houses providing materials and labour to get your shitbox together.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 05, 2012, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: MD on April 05, 2012, 06:04:22 PM
My suggestion was about the heat build up in the oil and affecting viscosity and in turn oil pressure which in turn,,,

Yeah right, that sounds interesting, I hadn't actually considered that.  Feel free to expand on the topic.  I'll also keep a close eye on the pressure gauge tomorrow then.  If it helps we did a change to a very thick oil last night, before we put the plate on (but nearly forgot!!).  I'll actually be seeing tomorrow a very experienced rally driver who has rallied an Alfetta sedan in the past, so will seek further advice there.

Quote from: MD on April 05, 2012, 06:04:22 PM
I should have made this clear but I assumed we were on the same page.

You should know never to assume that with me MD.  I just assumed Evan, Bruno and Giancarlo knew what they were doing.

We still have a little bit of time for any modifications...
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Brad M on April 05, 2012, 09:54:53 PM
Quote from: Sheldon McIntosh on April 05, 2012, 06:00:13 PM
Almost certainly going to take a tarp to make a 'blind' on the front of the car to help with the bow-wave, will do a better effort at protecting the dizzy etc.

Yep get on it, we have ours ready to go, just need to work out the fastening method.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: dehne on April 05, 2012, 10:09:49 PM


Looking at the data we're unlikely to get any temps over 35 during the rally.  Although a few days of 31-32 could be tough on the poor little shitboxes. 

When I had my fetta I was up that way and had 40 odd degree days, and I was on the road for 10+ hrs, cooling was all standard I rad a supercheap $10 mix in the rad and a bottle of wynns radiator treatment, softens seal and stops leak ( well somthing like that) and I never had a prob.
Am jelous of you driving a fetta, am very tempted to buy another, ( found one round the corner that has not moved in 6mths) thinking it could be real cheap now.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 12, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
Getting pretty %&^ing excited now.  Only a couple of days to go.

Route map is printed.  Tow hook is solid.  All the rally tyres are fitted (thanks Greg!).  Wheel alignment done (thanks Moonee Ponds Tyres!).  We've test-packed the car and found all the right spares and tools to take.

A couple of beers tomorrow night to kick things off with the rally participants, then on the road Saturday morning.  For anyone interested in having a look, the cars will muster at the Melbourne Zoo carpark from 7.30am, departing at 9am.  Come along if you've donated.  Or donate and come along.  It's a good cause!

(edit: weird a couple of those photos came out upside down!  just turn your laptop over and it'll be fine)
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 13, 2012, 11:45:07 PM
Last few rally sponsor stickers stuck on... heading off in the morning!

Time to quickly thank our key supportive businesses who've supplied parts and lended a hand:
- Monza Car Spa - Melville Rd Brunswick/Pascoe Vale.
- Documation (http://documation.com.au/)
- Maranello Pur Sang Motors (http://www.maranellopursang.com)
- Martini Racing Oils
- Stuckey Tyres

and of course all the club and forum members who've contributed to the cancer council fund raising.  This afternoon we broke the $7000 mark which was fantastic!

See you on the other side...
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: dehne on April 14, 2012, 09:39:13 AM
Good luck guys, hope you enjoy the trip, keep us all updated when possible.
and remember you will buy this awesome car and have a fun trip back home.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: aggie57 on April 14, 2012, 11:25:11 AM
Passed by the Zoo around 6:30am this morning. BMC 1100 going the other way decked out with SBR decals. Sad, so sad......hope they have the Dollies old water containers handy....

Good luck guys. I'm sure you and all the other Alfa drivers will have a ball.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: dehne on April 14, 2012, 12:52:45 PM
As I was driving to melb from bendigo I was looking at oncoming traffic and saw the Alfa Train and if they heard a crazy bastard on the horn it was me. Good to see so many sofas in the field
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Paul Gulliver on April 16, 2012, 11:34:35 AM
Looks like everybody got through the first day. Here's a good link to follow progress.

http://www.shitboxrally.com.au/day-1-video-melbourne-to-wentworth/
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 16, 2012, 08:45:04 PM
Small update (sorry bit drunky) we're at the Innamincka hotel having beers. All five Alfas doing fine so far. Tough roads the last two days. Team fat boy has lost a rear exhaust section, Alfa will we get has a throttle cable problem, team trofeo lost a tyre on the rocks. Great effort! Two more days of tough dirt. Wish us luck!
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Neil Choi on April 16, 2012, 08:54:48 PM
So the two Alfetta's are surviving, good to hear, one of them would be due to careful and professional preparation, wouldn't it!!!!!!!

Go the Alfa's.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: alfagtv58 on April 18, 2012, 04:51:32 PM
Evan just tweeted they have made Winton QLD, a rough 3 days but car is going well with only minor problems.






Between that and Colin Byrne tweeting from Targa.....i'm developing a healthy loathing of these mugs out having fun while I'm stuck at this desk.  ;D
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: Davidm1600 on April 19, 2012, 09:39:59 AM
Yep know what you mean, while I am on hols, I am stuck doing house rennos. To do either event would be great if possible. Looking forward to further updates from all out there enjoying their Alfas.
Title: Re: Shitbox Rally 2012 - Mario II
Post by: TFJ100 on April 19, 2012, 09:41:58 PM
This video looks great! Coverage of all the Alfas include great interviews.

A few comments:

1) How did Bruno's legs get so white?
2) How come when they interviewed the "Alfa will we get" team, they didn't interview Brad...
3) How come we didn't get to see Brad's haircut

No doubt all will be revealed on a future club night!

http://www.shitboxrally.com.au/day-4-video-innamincka-to-windorah/ (http://www.shitboxrally.com.au/day-4-video-innamincka-to-windorah/)

Torben