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Technical => 116 Series (Alfetta Sedan/GT/GTV & Giulietta Sedan) => Topic started by: BradGTV on April 28, 2011, 05:40:23 PM

Title: sound deadning?
Post by: BradGTV on April 28, 2011, 05:40:23 PM
wondering how people remove the sound deadning from there race cars?
obviously there is the slow and painful way of hammer and chisel but any others more effieceint processes?
cheers, Brad
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 28, 2011, 06:40:44 PM
I used a $20 heat gun from Bunnings. Made scraping effortless, then the residue came off with thinners. Didn't even remove the paint underneath in most places.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 28, 2011, 07:47:40 PM
I used Evan's $20 heat gun from Bunnings.  Made scraping effortless, then the residue came off with thinners  WD40.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: alfa duk on April 28, 2011, 08:07:37 PM
 Same here with the thinners and a couple of cartons over Xmas, not really a summer job. I have heard of people using dry ice which turns the bitumin brittle but never tried it.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: aggie57 on April 28, 2011, 08:17:13 PM
I've always just used a hammer and large screwdriver. Just comes off in chunks. Takes nomtime and no fumes or stuffing about.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: Frank Musco on April 28, 2011, 08:38:22 PM
Yep, hammer and screwdriver/paintscrapper. I find there are much better ways of getting Hi!  ;)
Each to their own, I guess?
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: pep105 on April 28, 2011, 08:49:45 PM
Yeah Ken Oath, hammer & screwdriver/scrapper did the 105 floors this way was pretty straight forward

One of the few jobs i did without swearing  :)

Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: BradGTV on April 29, 2011, 08:32:25 AM
thanks guys, looks like ill be using the screwdriver/paintscraper/chisel then some prepsol or wd40 depending what works best. should make for a very fun day  ;D
cheers, Brad
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: hammer on April 29, 2011, 09:10:04 AM
I used the hammer and chisel method in my 75 and it took forever. Next time I'll go see Evan's mates at Bunnings for a heat gun.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: Neil Choi on April 29, 2011, 09:30:57 AM
Brad

I have done about 4 cars over my life time, yes, hammer and a sharp chisel is the way to go, some of the brittle bits come off easily as large chucks but the softer bits take a bit of scraping.  It takes about 2-3 hour per quarter to be completely cleaned, so I would allow 2 days.  Takes about 20 kg out.  Also don't forget to do the boot, another 7 kg out.  I also used a wire brush on an angle grinder to finish off cleaning.  The seam sealant is the bugger of stuff to get out.

Petrol is good to take off the small bits.

I totally disagree with pep105, there is a lot of swearing involved especially the part when you hit your index finger knuckle upon mis-striking the chisel for the tenth time. 

Sorry pep105, missed the sarcasm, just I am just about to go down to the shop and buy some more!!!
Neil
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: alfagtv58 on April 29, 2011, 09:36:20 AM
Heat gun for me......with good ventilation.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: pep105 on April 29, 2011, 03:29:45 PM
Yeah Neil I lied now that I think about it there was some swearing............

Nothing a couple beers and a few scotches wouldn't fix.

Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 29, 2011, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Neil Choi on April 29, 2011, 09:30:57 AM
I have done about 4 cars over my life time, yes, hammer and a sharp chisel is the way to go, some of the brittle bits come off easily as large chucks but the softer bits take a bit of scraping.  It takes about 2-3 hour per quarter to be completely cleaned, so I would allow 2 days. 

It would take about an hour to do a quarter with the heat gun.  I found that only the bits in the boot were brittle, the stuff inside wouldn't chip off.  Must be the 'luxury' sound-deadening they put in the 90.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: alfa duk on April 29, 2011, 06:08:33 PM
 The hammer and chisel method may be quicker but you remove the undercoat and damage the metal catching on everything as the floor is not a flat plate on a gtv6. Even with the heat gun it is not an easy job and the estimates of a quarter an hour are optimistic, if you got it off that quick, well the apprentice must of put it on. With the heat gun i cut a piece of hardwood timber to a sharp point that was strong enough to take the deadening off but not dig in, maybe use a hammer with that. It takes longer but the end result is better.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 29, 2011, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: alfa duk on April 29, 2011, 06:08:33 PM
Even with the heat gun it is not an easy job and the estimates of a quarter an hour are optimistic, if you got it off that quick, well the apprentice must of put it on. 

Well, I'm not sure if you're accusing me of lying or of my short-term memory being a bit dodgy.  Or maybe you're saying my short-term memory is a bit dodgy.

It's possible that the sound-deadening I took off my car was different to the sound-deadening in your car.  Or that different climactic or storage conditions had affected the sound-deadening differently.  Or that, as you say, the apprentice applied it (and it is probably true that the 90 floor has more large flat sections than a GTV).  Either way, I stand by my assertion, and you're quite welcome to not believe it.  I think though that I have a reputation on this forum of not exaggerating my skills or experience. 
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: Storm_X on April 29, 2011, 06:52:19 PM


I defiantly like the part about the beers and scotches.


Maybe if your lucky they installed the sound deadening on a Friday and it comes of a little easier.


Would it make it any easier maybe if I soak it in thinners over night ? (Lucky I don't smoke)
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: BradGTV on April 30, 2011, 12:41:56 AM
job done! well most, still gotta do half the boot...
i ended up using a head gun and paint scraper, worked very good when the deadening was hot but to heat up took a while  ::)
so was pretty painful,
thanks all for your imput  :)

Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: John A Pucak on April 30, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
If it helps, it took me the whole weekend to take the sound deadening out  of the GT. I used a heat gun and solvent for the final cleanup

Hollywood
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: alfa duk on April 30, 2011, 09:24:05 AM
  Sorry Sheldon, that was not my intention, no accusations or anything like that. Ive done a couple myself and it took longer than that. I just wanted to point out to Brad not to think that it is a one afternoon job.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on April 30, 2011, 11:03:12 AM
No worries. I was surprised myself how easily it came up in mine, maybe I just got lucky.
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: dehne on April 30, 2011, 02:21:18 PM
sheldon im about to do the same to my 90 to and ill be using a heat gun, so i time it to see how long it takes
Title: Re: sound deadning?
Post by: Neil Choi on April 30, 2011, 02:24:04 PM
You should also gather up all the deadening and weigh it.  Easily done by sweeping through those big plug holes on the floor, with a bag placed underneath.