I see John French Turbo Delta No.3 has surfaced for sale. If only...
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Alfa-Romeo-GTV-Turbo-Delta-/290537440734?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item43a56185de
Seeing it's in Bendigo I bet you Dehne knows something about this. Without commenting or the sale price,condition etc that would in any way break any forum rules. I would be interested in his comments. ( or can we comment on ebay listings from a probable non member ??? )
and of course i do, its a mates car they he works as a panel beater and does alot of resto work on alfas, mainly 105,s this is the one i told people about a while ago, the car is complete but unless he has put the interior back in it its out but all there, i think it is caged as well cant remember that one he has ran it at deca a few time as well, its a good strong car needs a little cosmetic work but for the price he is after you should have some cash left over
i think he was after around 7-10 yeah there are a couple of rust spots but was does not at this age without already haveing a cut and paste already but the body is not that bad and its really the mechanical you are after with one of these
Quote from: Choderboy on February 23, 2011, 10:04:13 PM
Quote from: dehne on February 23, 2011, 09:17:34 PM
i think he was after around 7-10 yeah there are a couple of rust spots but was does not at this age without already haveing a cut and paste already but the body is not that bad and its really the mechanical you are after with one of these
I know, I've got one.... with no rust.
Dehne. Absolute garbage!
Mechanicals can always be repaired and it wouldnt matter if the drive line didnt even exist. If the body is wriddled with rust it will cost thousands to repair correctly and will never be worth anything.
I dissagree, you are always after the best body you can get with an Alfetta. Sure it's great you have a turbo delta engine, but if the body is shot it becomes an expensive proposition. If your mate does up bodies for a living then he should put new metal in a repaint, then it'll get half decent money. Nice wheels, I like the b45's on GTV's.
In incidentally, I have given my turbo delta some serious consideration and come to the conclussion that withe the twin charge runnign nicely, the turbo delta would be a very similar car to own. Therefore I will be tidying mine up for sale ove the next couple of months. I will be asking 9990 (not 10k :-)). For that, the buyer will get rebuilt motor, brand new 300Hp turbo roller bearing (still in box), all parts to put car back to stock, rear coil overs, 26mm torsion bars, whiteline dedion bars, konis, big brakes, 5 simmmons 3pc rims, turbo delta boost gauge etc etc etc. Body is basically rust free, paint is tidy, interior front seats need retrim and dash reskin (stuff I had planned to do if I kept it). I will be reinstalling the new turbo to a high standard with all components on the turbo side refurbed and match ported etc. Please if you know anyone looking for Turbo Delta No.1, let me know. It will be sold for a little less than it owes me at this price, I want it to go to an Alfisti, and if it does not sell, that's also fine by me, but I can sell with the confiddence that this is a solid car that can be registered immediately and touched up as time permits, leaving the new owner with a very presentable piece of Alfa Romeo history.
I will be refurbing the simmons wheels and detailing the car to make it presentable.
That's my spill, it's amusing that another car should turn up at the same time I have made this decision, may the best car win :-p.
interested parties are welcome to contact meon the mobile on 0439003523. It's not adevertised anywhere and I don't plan to until it's running and looking the way I want it to, so as they say the early bird gets the worm.
Cheers
Mike
Hmm I see I've written the same thing at the same time , agree b46, body rust visible is the cruel tip of the iceburge once you go looking. That car will need a thorough going over. But at the end of the day the guy is not asking stupid money for it so I think his price range reflects the condition. I personally think a pristine example is worth 20k these days, and I would (and have in the past) offer that kind of money for one. Blah blah, only worth what someone is willing to pay.
All I can say, is once people have driven an even slighly tickled turbo 2l Alfa, it's a real eye opener. They make REALLY good horsepower, I love my twincharge for the stupid grunt it has. Always nice to blow a few gtr's into the weeds ina car they can not even recognise :-)
Hi Mike. Yeah I had a laugh when i posted and saw your reply at the same time. Not having a go at the car, the price, turbo alfas or anything other than someone saying the mechanicals of an alfetta are more important to look out for than the rust. That is one of the most stupid comments I have seen on a forum ever. This is exactlly the kind of ill informed garbage that gets people into trouble when buying a car thats a little out of the ordinary and inevitably gives the brand a sour name.
QuoteNot having a go at the car, the price, turbo alfas or anything other than someone saying the mechanicals of an alfetta are more important to look out for than the rust.
I know, I'd take offence if you were, each to their own :-).
Plenty of mechanicals lying around, not many rust free bodies! Well, not heaps of turbo delta engines around to be fair either. It's 10k for a good paint job these days, and that's without rust to cut pay less, get thicker bog. Delta engines are probably about 2500 complete, may or may not need rebuild...I know what I'd rather pay.
why is everyone so scared of rust?
learn to do it yourself and it costs almost nothing ;D
i personally think this is a fantastic car, for the money i have seen gtv's advertised for sale this in comaprision is great value!
10k 20k 30k where do you stop with a body resto? If the thing has to be taken down to the subframe it doesnt matter what car it is your going to be spending a house deposit. Whats even worse is the low price our beloved alfas are worth compaired to a ferrari or a heap of shit mg ect ect. I would rather be lumped with an engine that had its pistons melted into the cylinder head than a rusty shell. Nothing special about the delta engine and easy to rebuild or even replace if needed. Other than the snail and some bigger front brakes what was so great about these cars anyway. A period beninca turbo would be a much better prospect and even then all this stuff is way outdatted. Having said that ill still swap you my delta for your delta if you show me yours ill show you mine.
Brad no one is saying they are scared of rust thats just part of owning an alfa. What is being debated is the cost/time required to repair bad rust CORRECTLY and the stupid comment made by dehen that rust is less critical than mechanicals. Read the thread.
sorry if my comments have ill informed people they way it was ment is specific to this car re the mechanical, being you do not see many come up and rust is not that bad, i remember seeing a rolling shell for a gtv not long ago that was rist free for around a grand, and again the rust not that bad mech is great
ok all
so ive have just spoken to the owner of this car and his idea is to sell as is so you know what you are getting, not to fix it make it all pretty so it looks good today and shit in 12 months (this quote is just an example does not relfect on his work) the rust in it has been the same for the last 12 years he has owned it, and from a panel beaters view you can understand why he would sell as is.
This cars paint job is original and has not been repainted at all or any panels fixed, so for an original untouched car it is at a good price
Your mate will be thankful that you're on the case dehne. Ever thought about becoming a car salesman?
mmmm thought about it, then realized you need to deceive people and lie to them and though no, hang on this is the perfect job for me ;D ;D
Quote from: dehne on February 24, 2011, 04:18:01 PM
mmmm thought about it, then realized you need to deceive people and lie to them and though no, hang on this is the perfect job for me ;D ;D
Nice one.
Choderboy interesting photo. Ill stand corrected but the broken piston rings are from minor detonation over an extended period of time. Piston landings would have been cactus as well however the rest of the motor might have been ok. Had a couple of engines do this in my own cars. One was due to the hill at baskerville raceway in slowbart. Lugging the car up there off cam in third gear (reved to high for 2nd gear). After a few track days the engine was blowing a bit of smoke so I thought I better replace the rings and when I pulled it down the rings fell apart into dozens of little pieces just like your photo. I would never have guessed as it was still pretty strong.
choder
have you personaly inspected this car, mmm NO so you need to keep ur useless opinion to ur self until such time as you have first hand experince with this particular car, the engine in it is really strong and runs great, and turbo is good also,
so as i said if you do not know the car personaly keep it to urself ;D
Ok firstly can I say i think this is a great car and I dont mean the seller any disrespect at all. At the right price this would be a great alfetta to get hold of.
Dehen this is the engine bay of a car that requires alot of mechanical work. I wont go on and on as to why because that would be a waste of my time but just look at the hydrulic cylinders (you do know what they are?). If the engine is still healthy then thats great and im sure you can confirm that with some full throttel runs, dyno sheets and a compression test.
As for the rust this is getting into serious territory. That scuttle panel is shot requiring replacement or serious repair. Replacing a alfetta GTV scuttle panel is a freakin weeks worth of work. While your at it you may as well repair that rusted guard because if you unpick the scuttle panel there are about four layers of overlapping metal that will let you get to the guard. Well there is another few weeks work and thats if its not rusty in the subframe under the guard and the chances of that are very slim indeed. I will bet my left nut that if that GTV is rusty there it will be rusty in the otter sills, inner sills, rear panel, wheel well, strut towers, quarter panels ect ect. No doubt your report will clarify that the car will pass a rwc with a wash and serivce.
Hes a gem.
Quoteso as i said if you do not know the car personaly keep it to urself
Dehne.
No matter what the car . If you want to grow old with your Alfetta you need to chose very wisely to start with.
I'm new to this forum and have been reading through all the different posts here including this one. I feel sorry for the poor dude who is just trying to sell his car. Have any of you actually seen it to be able to offer an informed opinion? Getting on here and telling people not to buy it, or that it needs x amount of $ spent fixing it based on a couple of photos is most probably inaccurate.
I'm also disgusted with the behaviour of certain people on here. Am pretty sure this forum is ment to be a place where people can come to talk, exchange ideas, ask for advice etc. Not to be belittled, sworn at, picked on and judged.
Choderboy - Didnt your mother ever tell you if you've got nothing nice to say, then dont say anything at all......
Welcome to the forum "who ever you may be" Popping your head up to introduce yourself in the middle of this debate, quite strange ??.
If your going to be handing out gratuitous advice on your 1st post Perhaps you would be better off not singling out people you have never met or don't know.
Choderboy's Mum
First off Chode, calm down man, Dehne wouldn't understand what he said that riled you so... cleaned your post a little.
Quote from: BKT on February 25, 2011, 09:55:36 AM
I feel sorry for the poor dude who is just trying to sell his car. Have any of you actually seen it to be able to offer an informed opinion? Getting on here and telling people not to buy it, or that it needs x amount of $ spent fixing it based on a couple of photos is most probably inaccurate.
This discussion is occurring in a technical area for Alfetta, perfect spot for it.
I actually found Chode's advice right on the money and useful, he'd know he actually has one of the vehicles in question.
QuoteThis discussion is occurring in a technical area for Alfetta, perfect spot for it.
This discussion is posing robust questions that anybody trying to sell this type of car is likely to encounter. Great to be getting informed imput from people like
( choderboy & bt46) that have actually owned these tyes of cars.
Thanks again for the calming influence of our wet nurse ,sorry moderator Brad.
Quote from: Paul Gulliver on February 25, 2011, 10:17:11 AM
Welcome to the forum "who ever you may be" Popping your head up to introduce yourself in the middle of this debate, quite strange ??.
If your going to be handing out gratuitous advice on your 1st post Perhaps you would be better off not singling out people you have never met or don't know.
Choderboy's Mum
Thanks Paul for proving my point re: the way people are treated on here. Much appreciated mate.
Yes, I agree, the perfect place for a technical discussion and I understand that choderboy owns one, but i still think it's inappropriate to make the statements that he has without getting his facts first. I would however like to thank BT46 for his informative and impartial posts.
Thanks Paul for proving my point re: the way people are treated on here. Much appreciated mate
As a new poster your contribution is always welcomed. However i don't think techical forums are the place to preach manners. Espically on your first post. If you don't like the robust nature of the posts you could always cease to contribute and go post on some etiquette forum.
Some of us at least have the balls to put their name on posts.
There is a robust discussion and than there is a personal insult. The two do not necessarily belong together.
I am not sure that you guys would exhibit the same grace and benevolence if you were on the receiving end.
[quote Have any of you actually seen it to be able to offer an informed opinion? Getting on here and telling people not to buy it, or that it needs x amount of $ spent fixing it based on a couple of photos is most probably inaccurate
Actually if you know these cars well a few pictures tell alot about the condition and what your in for.
Anyhow i dont mind some crittersizm Im always wrong just ask my girlfriend. I also think its great people are actually posting at all as this forum gets awful quiet at times.
BKT . As a first time poster, you sure know all the tricks. Well done to go back and edit your first post. Just watch the time posted function next time you post you nuff nuff.
well choder you really are a pilla of this forum arnt you i thinks you need to settle down you should know you are NOT always right and yes by the pictures you can SEE what the car looks like but NOT what it goes like so until someone does come and look at it with there own eyes and ears maybe keep the negative out of it you really need to grow up.!!!!
Quote from: paul edwards on February 25, 2011, 02:04:01 PM
G'day Branko,
Quote from Branko "There is robust discussion and then there is a personal insult. The two do not necessarily belong together.
10 4 good buddy on that, com'on. You don't really need to think twice about that one. Personal insults that just appear out of nowhere and are totally unproved by people have no place on this Car club forum. The sooner it is dealt with the better for us all. Then we can get back to the good stuff like, talking about rare Alfas, the best ways to fix them, save a dollar and learn something new. Sure have a dig with tongue in cheek :P :) but draw a clear line, at least try to anyway.
Cheers Paul
Paul, how do you figure that anyone on this forum has more or less right to be here or post here. Someone being misguided or opinionated may be offensive you but that still does not make them less entitled to participate on this public forum. I personally find some of Dehne's views misguided and some of the Choder's posts enlightened. But as much as i may occasionally be annoyed by Dehne's posts I was actually offended by Choder's post telling Dehne to F-O and calling him a F-wit. It was uncalled for. Dehne questioned Choder's opninion and Choder went nuts. Now that is what I call mature. NOT !
Do you go nuts over all the rubbish that is written on the interweb?
Quoteyes by the pictures you can SEE what the car looks like but NOT what it goes like
I think the add notes that it is un registered & unroad worthy. I don't think i'd be taking it for any test drives
Quoteyes by the pictures you can SEE what the car looks like but NOT what it goes like
Actually you can get a pretty good idea of what its going to drive like as well dehen if you know these cars well enough.
but its only personal opinion not fact of how it drives, ive seen some pretty busted up looking cars but they still drive great. cosmetic looks do not tell you everything, thats what im trying to say here yes it looks bad but it goes well
its not just looking at the cosmetics dehen is looking at the mechanicals........never mind..........
yea but ur still saying looking at the mechanical, not of how it goes
I just got criticised for my spelling, so to satisfy the needy here you go.
Dehen
I'll try and explain, and that will be that.
I have been driving, buying, selling, restoring, repairing, panel beating, joining two cars together, rebuilding engines, transaxles, breaking, crashing, making mistakes, sprinting, hating and loving alfetta gtv's for 20 years. Looking at a few photos, if I was going to come to ballarat, and god help me if i ever need to, and look at purchasing this car I would have a very good indication of what im getting myself into including how this car will most likely drive. I fail to see how that is so hard to understand.
And just to be clear under no circumstances am I claiming to be an alfa expert. I know alfetta extremely well and that is it. I would not claim to be particularly knowledgeable on any other car even though I have also owned and worked on 33's 75's 90's suds 105's and 164.
You own about 500 alfa 90's, surely you could look at a few good pics of a potential prospect and ascertain an educated guess as to what the car will be like in most respects. If you can't - and you are stupid enough like me to spend so much time and money playing with hunks of metal and rubber - in time you will learn.
yeah same goes you cannot seem to understand what im saying either, this car could be the execption to what normaly applies
Yes.
Quote from: Branko Turk on February 25, 2011, 05:06:51 PM
I personally find some of Dehne's views misguided and some of the Choder's posts enlightened. But as much as i may occasionally be annoyed by Dehne's posts I was actually offended by Choder's post telling Dehne to F-O and calling him a F-wit. It was uncalled for. Dehne questioned Choder's opninion and Choder went nuts. Now that is what I call mature. NOT !
Branko, you're right it wasn't the most mature manner in which to respond to someone saying your opinion is useless, how do you normally handle it ? ...
Quote from: dehne on February 24, 2011, 11:58:10 PM
choder
have you personaly inspected this car, mmm NO so you need to keep ur useless opinion to ur self until such time as you have first hand experince with this particular car, the engine in it is really strong and runs great, and turbo is good also,
so as i said if you do not know the car personaly keep it to urself ;D
But, considering Dehne is making some seemingly baseless assertion in that the vehicle COULD be a good prospect for someone to buy...
Quote from: dehne on February 25, 2011, 06:09:04 PM
yeah same goes you cannot seem to understand what im saying either, this car could be the execption to what normaly applies
Please children, put yourself in someone else shoes before you start shooting off with your vigorous typing.
Suggest everyone take a deep breath and walk away from this thread, let it die and stop causing an uncharacteristically unpleasant scene.
Peace, love, and Cuore Sportivo.