Hy everyone down under.I have Alfa Milano Gold 2.5 V6 with automatic gearbox and I would like to learn more about it.I was looking over the internet and I couldn't find anything about that gearbox on that particular car.I know it's a 3 speed gearbox made by ZF and I saw that a steering gear pump is pumping ATF oil from a big plastic can to a steering rack and to automatic gearbox.How much oil does it needs,where to check a level,on which interval to change ATF and all other thing I don't know and my final question for all of you is:"Is there anybody who has a workshop manual with automatic gearbox for 2.5 Milano"?
Hi Nikola
I might have some tech data in the workshop manual for my S4 Spider which has the same gearbox. I can probably scan some pages and send them to you.
Cheers Damian
Damien that would be very nice from You and I would be very grateful.Thank You in advance and I'am waiting the files.
Are you sure the PS pump supplies the transmission too? As well as the self levelling rear dampers?
Have you tried http://www.users.on.net/~craigf/ (http://www.users.on.net/~craigf/) for a manual?
Cheers, Scott
I think You are right.PS pump do not supply automatic gearbox with ATF,it supplyes steering gear and self leveling system.I tried that site which You recomended but only randomly because that workshop manual over there looks preety much the same as mine which is for normal manual gearbox Milano.
Nikola,
This is a very conventional ZF box. To service it, typically you need a hoist to drain and fill the oil sump.As with most auto transmission,you need to replace the internal filter and pan gasket. Once done, you need to refill it with a pressure oil delivery line usually to the bottom of the filler plug on the RHS.
The key thing is you must do the fill while the engine is running to get the correct oil level in the box.Change the oil and filter every 15,000km.
I suggest you simply let an automatice service outlet do this. They should also have references for the correct oil to replace.
Quote from: MD on December 27, 2010, 07:16:25 PM
Nikola,
This is a very conventional ZF box. To service it, typically you need a hoist to drain and fill the oil sump.As with most auto transmission,you need to replace the internal filter and pan gasket. Once done, you need to refill it with a pressure oil delivery line usually to the bottom of the filler plug on the RHS.
The key thing is you must do the fill while the engine is running to get the correct oil level in the box.Change the oil and filter every 15,000km.
I suggest you simply let an automatice service outlet do this. They should also have references for the correct oil to replace.
You would not believe me.In Croatia and the rest of the Europe auto gearbox is not popular and 90 percent of people drives car with a manual gearbox.In Croatia there are few automatic gearbox service outlets and also there are few people in Croatia who repairs auto gearboxes.There is one guy in my town who works on those gearboxes together with his son.The guy was working that job in USA so that's how he knows to repair them.In Europe auto gearbox are driven by invalids and rich people in their's Mercs and BMW's.
Thank's for advice.
Oh I see. Based on your description of the car being a Milano, I presumed you were from the US. I also presumed you would have access to a world of auto transmissiom outlets-the US being the land of automatics.
I need a further help concerning my Milano automatic gearbox.
1.Can anyone tell me where to find a deep stick on that gearbox and if there isn't one how to check oil level?
2.Is there a way how to get to the torque converter while gearbox is on the car and to remove oil from torque converter because some cars do have a nut on the torque converter?Is there a nut for removing the oil from the torque converter?
3.Does this gearbox have a LSD?
HI Nikola,
1. No - you check it through the filler plug on the side of the transmission. By memory there are instructions in the user manual.
2. Don't know.
3. Yes.
Regards
Alister
Quote from: aggie57 on January 06, 2011, 07:20:18 AM
HI Nikola,
1. No - you check it through the filler plug on the side of the transmission. By memory there are instructions in the user manual.
2. Don't know.
3. Yes.
Regards
Alister
Much obliged Alister but can You please send me a user manual if You have in electronic form via e-mail or if You can scan me that particular few pages about automatic gear box and mail me?
Nikola,
Stop looking.There is no dipstick.
If you cannot get a manual.
Contact ZF in Germany if you have to and get some procedure advice including oil types to use.
As for filling (in the absence of manual or other factual advice)
Put car on hoist, run engine in idle mode, remove filler plug, pump transmission oil into filler hole and stop when oil starts to come out of same hole. Let any excess oil come out and when stopped , put filler plug back into place and screw tight.
You now have oil in the gearbox but it needs to have a filter and gasket change before that as I have told you earlier.
Quote from: MD on January 06, 2011, 09:40:15 AM
Nikola,
Stop looking.There is no dipstick.
If you cannot get a manual.
Contact ZF in Germany if you have to and get some procedure advice including oil types to use.
As for filling (in the absence of manual or other factual advice)
Put car on hoist, run engine in idle mode, remove filler plug, pump transmission oil into filler hole and stop when oil starts to come out of same hole. Let any excess oil come out and when stopped , put filler plug back into place and screw tight.
You now have oil in the gearbox but it needs to have a filter and gasket change before that as I have told you earlier.
That's good and I understand what You are telling me but I want to check how much oil is in the gearbox now but I don't know how.So if there is no a deep stick there is no way how to know how much oil is allready in there?
I'm I right?
No you are not right and you are not using any imagination either.
Why don't you fill the box like I told you and then drain it and measure the amount that is drained ? You will have your answer. Personally I would contact ZF.
I figured all out 8).
There you go. A lesson for all Newbies. Never give up...
Can you post your findings, for future reference? 8)
Quote from: Nikola on December 27, 2010, 09:10:36 AM
Hy everyone down under.I have Alfa Milano Gold 2.5 V6 with automatic gearbox and I would like to learn more about it.I was looking over the internet and I couldn't find anything about that gearbox on that particular car.I know it's a 3 speed gearbox made by ZF and I saw that a steering gear pump is pumping ATF oil from a big plastic can to a steering rack and to automatic gearbox.How much oil does it needs,where to check a level,on which interval to change ATF and all other thing I don't know and my final question for all of you is:"Is there anybody who has a workshop manual with automatic gearbox for 2.5 Milano"?
1.Steering gear pump is pumping ATF oil from a big plastic can to a steering rack and to self leveling system BUT NOT TO A AUTOMATIC GEARBOX.
2.Automatic gearbox has a two lines leading from the gearbox towards front of the car.Those lines are bringing oil from a automatic gearbox to a small cooler positioned just by the A/C cooler.This is for cooling the automatic gear box oil which is ATF DEXRON 2D.
3.JoeCab from AlfaBB wrote me this about amount of fluids in the automatic gearbox:
Capacities (From the Owner's Manual):
Power Steering/Self Leveling Suspension: 3.0 Liters
Automatic Transmission (total): 6.0 Liters
Automatic Transmission (amount for regular change): 1.5 Liters
4.ATF in automatic gearbox needs to be changed every 30 000 kilometers.
5.How to check oil is in the workshop manual which is located on this web page http://www.thesimp.org/workshopmanualmilano.html and the manual is the last one in the row and pages are 144 and 145.
6.I still don't have a workshop manual for automaic gearbox.