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Technical => 116 Series (Alfetta Sedan/GT/GTV & Giulietta Sedan) => Topic started by: prova on February 02, 2010, 07:01:05 PM

Title: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 02, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
Hi guys

Got a price today from a place called Pole Position in Geelong for Koni Sport (Yellows) for my 2.0 85 Alfetta GTV. I was quoted  $358 fronts and $358 rears. Does anyone know of a cheaper supplier in Melbourne or is this pretty much a set retail price? Also are there other options for 'good' shock absorbers from another manufacturer? Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Davidm1600 on February 02, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
Prova, the price seems pretty reasonable to me, I seem to recall spending at least $550 for my Koni yellows some 11 years ago for my 1750 GTV and Fiat 124 Sport.  Can't comment on other suppliers in Melbourne, we only have one distributor here in Hobart.  Other shocks, well there are Bilsteins but they are usually more expensive, possibly Spax ?? but that is about it from my perspective.  I am rapt with the Konis.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 02, 2010, 09:25:55 PM
About six or seven years ago i bought a complete set for my AC Coupe for $380 from the same supplier which sounds really cheap now!
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: redalfaracing on February 02, 2010, 09:29:35 PM
i recently bought a set of Bilsteins from Quadrant suspension in Berwick for a bit over $200 a corner including bump stops on the front shocks. Thought it was good value. Work a treat too.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: 116gtv on February 02, 2010, 09:43:49 PM
are those prices for a pair or each ? ???
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Paul Gulliver on February 02, 2010, 09:48:21 PM
Count the corners. Is there a full moon tonight???.

I had some yellow koni's put on the front of my alfetta last year ( $400.00 for the pair, thats two)
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: 116gtv on February 03, 2010, 07:08:25 AM
Thanks for the smart arse comments, Mr Gulliver.  ::)  very constructive indeed !

Just because Prova is writing in plural doesnt necessarily imply he's talking pairs..
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Paul Gulliver on February 03, 2010, 07:45:43 AM
 
Quoterecently bought a set of Bilsteins from Quadrant suspension in Berwick for a bit over $200 a corner

Last time i checked there were 4 wheels ( corners) on most cars. $200.00 each or $400.00 a pair seems to be about what the cost is.

Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: TheConverted on February 03, 2010, 10:08:39 AM
Prova, there is a bloke named Ray Bell on the Valiant/Chrysler forum, www.moparmarket.com.au claims he can supply Konis shocks cheap. He never mentions the prices on the forum, so I cant give you an indicative price, but send him an email, its on his signature on the forum.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 03, 2010, 03:21:15 PM
Thanks for that lead 'Converted' I will look into it and let you know. A good old friend of mine owns Valiance in South Melbourne maybe he might be able to get a good trade price.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: carjunky on February 03, 2010, 08:55:57 PM
Try Alfisti in Germany, I got a set of Bilsteins for my GTV6 for $300.00(approx) delivered.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 03, 2010, 10:09:03 PM
Wow 'carjunky' that sounds awesome and Bilsteins have a great reputation. I will definitely check this out. You might have saved me $400 - good man!
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 04, 2010, 09:29:37 AM
Checked out 'Alfisti' - Chowderboy can you remember if the shockers were B4 or B6. The B4's are very cheap for a set - but Alfisti said they are a "bit soft for such a spirited driving machine" (I think they really dig these cars!). The B6 are the ones they recommend I imagine similar to Koni Sports. If you have B4's I would love to know what you think of them. I might call Pedders later as well.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 04, 2010, 10:25:40 PM
The latest - Alfisti can sell Bilstein B6 but they will cost over $700 once landed - might as well buy local Konis. They do have B4 on sale at the moment for 89EUR for a set of four plus delivery of about 50-60EUR which is a great price but I think they are more of a standard shock. Has anyone used the B4's?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: drewster71 on February 06, 2010, 10:23:07 AM
Ok I am looking for new shockers for my 83 2lt gtv and these look exactly the style i just removed, AND DAM CHEAP TO...

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1983/alfa_romeo/gtv_6/suspension/shock_absorber.html


HOPEFULLY this link works guys... im gona get some if they are what they seem they are..

drewster
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 06, 2010, 12:02:27 PM
Hey mate I found this site as well but you would need to ask them if they are B4 or B6 if they are B4 then I think Alfisti might be cheaper 89EUR for a set of 4! The Konis look alright but if you convert to Aussie dollars and then add shipping maybe not so good? $112 US each which is probably about $130AUD x 4 $520 plus postage. Might end up being a bit cheaper but you have to wait plus take the risk of buying internationally.

When it states for GTV6 is this still the same as a 2.0 litre car (are they compatible)?

I'd love to hear from anyone who has used the B4's - anyone?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Ash Gordon on February 06, 2010, 12:07:26 PM
You need to be VERY careful of some websites out there, Loads of counterfeit parts / products out there.. if they are DIRT cheap there is usually a reason why ...

I haven't seen it with car parts as yet but def with sporting goods etc it is everywhere..  Check all the details match up, a quick check is contact phone numbers. I know of a few sites that state they are US based but operate out of China, give away is the dialing code on the contact phone numbers...

anyhow sorry to burst the bubble but the site you have listed doesn't seem to ship to Internationally...

Do you ship internationally?
At the present time we do not ship outside the United States. Please be aware that if you ship your order to a freight forwarding company, we are not responsible for any losses, damage, wrong parts, or missing parts once your package leaves the United States. You will be responsible for all return shipping charges back to the United States should you choose to return your order.

 
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: carjunky on February 06, 2010, 02:16:03 PM
I have the B4 shocks on my GTV 6, they are certainly hard enough and were a great improvement. At the 99 euro for the 4 shocks they are a steal. If anything I find them a little hard. Alfisti are a large well known supplier of alfa parts and I highly recommend them.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 06, 2010, 05:36:09 PM
Thanks 'carjunky' thats all I needed to know. I will be ordering a set tonight. Your a legend for getting back on this thread and passing on your first hand knowledge. Thanks heaps!
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Fast Eddie on February 08, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
That's really interesting carjunky as i too was considering the B4's  but they (Alfisti Germany) suggested they would be too soft. 
If you say they are almost too stiff on your GTV6, they will certainly be so on my GTV when paired with GTV6 springs and torsionbars.

But I am probably too late now as Prova will probably get them before i do as i think there is only one last set of B4's left.

Anyone else fitted B4s?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Rob Berson on February 08, 2010, 06:51:31 PM
Just received a set of 4 Bilsteins for my Alfetta GTV today. $ 550.00 delivered to my door.
www.shox.com

Rob
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Fast Eddie on February 08, 2010, 07:07:15 PM
B4s or B6s?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 08, 2010, 10:56:24 PM
Well I missed out on the 28mm torsion bars, lowered rear springs and larger rear anti-roll bar offered for free yesterday on the forum - bugger! but I think I have scored really well with the shock absorbers!

Just paid Alfisti via PayPal for a set of four Bilstein B4's, delivered for the paltry sum of $239.89 - oh yeah! I know they will not be as good as a set of adjustable Sport Konis but they are $500 bucks cheaper. Leaves money for other stuff on the car.

When I fit these Shockers I also want to lower the car a little bit. I know the fronts adjustable via the torsion bars - I would like to lower the front around 30mm. Is it okay to remove a coil from the rears or is this dodgy? Will it affect the balance between front and rear? I have noticed lowered King Springs on Ebay (nice price $189). Are my 85 2.0 GTV torsion bars the same diameter as GTV6's. If the GTV6 torsion bars are larger in diameter does anyone have a pair that they would be willing to sell?

What I am trying to say is that I want to lower my car and I would like your advice. I want to do it as economically as possible and end up with a nice warmed over road car - not a track car. I would love to get all this work done before the Autobella on the 21st Feb. Please come and say hello my rego is DG 0888.

More sets of the B4's could be available get on to it fast sounds like a bargain to me!





Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: carjunky on February 08, 2010, 11:04:29 PM
Vince at Pace engineering in Melbourne, I got a set(of rears) $225.00 and they work well with the B4's.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Rob Berson on February 08, 2010, 11:45:32 PM
Ed

They are B6.

Rob
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Fast Eddie on February 09, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
Quote from: prova on February 08, 2010, 10:56:24 PM

Just paid Alfisti via PayPal for a set of four Bilstein B4's, delivered for the paltry sum of $239.89 - oh yeah! I know they will not be as good as a set of adjustable Sport Konis but they are $500 bucks cheaper. Leaves money for other stuff on the car.


Me too and they will be fitted in coming weeks with a set of GTV6 springs and torsion bars that i have picked up for free locally (well for a slab of coldies), so likewise a low cost upgrade given the 'pocket money' racing budget.  Out of curiousity, anyone know off hand, the thickness diff between standard gTV and GTV6 torsion bars?  i think it is something like 24mm to 28mm?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Alfalfa on February 09, 2010, 12:45:48 PM
I got quoted a couple months back $608 for a full set of 4 koni sport adjustable and rebuildable shocks. Also with 3 year unlimited kms warranty.

from top performance (local koni distributor) with a car club discount

www.toperformance.com.au
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Jekyll and Hyde on February 09, 2010, 07:17:16 PM
Quote from: Fast Eddie on February 09, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
Me too and they will be fitted in coming weeks with a set of GTV6 springs and torsion bars that i have picked up for free locally (well for a slab of coldies), so likewise a low cost upgrade given the 'pocket money' racing budget.  Out of curiousity, anyone know off hand, the thickness diff between standard gTV and GTV6 torsion bars?  i think it is something like 24mm to 28mm?

Biggest standard torsion bar is 23.something mm.  Fitted to GTV6s and most plastic bumper GTV2.0 with factory A/C.  Earlier GTV bars were 21mm, and I think GT may have had 19mm  :o
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 09, 2010, 08:30:51 PM
Thanks Eddy you have cleared that one up I must have 23mm bars. If I am just tying to curb body roll would it be better fitting larger anti roll bars and leaving the standard torsion bars? I have noticed on Ebay the Selbys bars - are these any good? I have heard the rear bar is a good one to upgrade but I have heard nothing about the front. Anyone want to share some more light on the direction of this thread - as I see it how to upgrade your suspension, simply and without spending a fortune - these aspects keep me in the good books with my wife!
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: 116gtv on February 10, 2010, 08:59:00 AM
Early GTV6 (long) torsion bars are 23.6mm. They are quite useable for a road car. A larger antiroll front bar is easy to fit and is a big improvement over stock. Dont have experience with the Selby bars but cant see why they wouldnt work well. If you then fit stiffer rear springs (again easy to fit) you have a good starting point before touching the rear antiroll bar. Maybe i missed it but what are your intentions with this car?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 11, 2010, 09:08:48 AM
I am aiming at a nice warmed over road car - not a track car. Wanting to make it a really great driving car as I use it nearly everyday. Trying to do it on a tight budget so that I can set aside money towards building a more extreme FIAT 850 Coupe/Sports Coupe. Still on the hunt for one of these - anyone know of one that needs a resto? I have got a 1438cc twin cam (AC Coupe) engine sitting in the shed. My plan is to overbore this motor to about 1650cc and slot this in to the rear replacing the 843/903cc engine. Sidedraft webers, nice exhaust, front radiator, etc. If you like these small FIATs then you should check out scuderia topolino, it is amazing what these guys produce for these cars!
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: bonkfrog on February 11, 2010, 02:17:16 PM
Hi Prova

I don't know where an 850 coupe can be found, but I know of a reasonable XI9 if you're interested.

Bonkfrog
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 11, 2010, 03:27:21 PM
He thanks mate but I just cannot fit in one of those I am 186 cm and my head bends under the roof and my left leg wedges between the wheel and the transmission tunnel. If I could maybe modify a few things then maybe I could fit but it would feel like a coffin on four wheels. Also the 850 is a sentimental thing - memories and all that - I just love em! It is amazing but apart from the footwell on an 850 being tight it is really roomy.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: drewster71 on February 16, 2010, 07:56:20 PM
Ok i just replaced my front shockers on 83 gtv 2lt, found some brand new ones on Ebay , ACDelta brand delivered to Adelaide in 5 days $78 for both, and they are gas, fitted and drives nice, ok they arent Koni Yellows or similar but being a family man and just trying to have a nice safe ride I am dam happy,
company i bought from always have availabilty and always on ebay, but can send you a link if interested..

Cheers Drew
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: BradGTV on February 16, 2010, 08:00:11 PM
hi drew,
could you post a link for me?
thanks brad
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Storm_X on February 16, 2010, 08:12:35 PM
I have a pair of adjustable koni reds for the front if anyone is interested?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 16, 2010, 08:54:16 PM
Someone else on this forum has also used these shockers off Ebay and he said they were good considering the price. I think he paid a bit more around $120 for a pair but they were adjustable - same company though. I am still waiting for mine to arrive from Germany - the big pain about buying from overseas - I can't wait to get them on the car.

Any of you guys with 116's going to be at Autobella on Sunday i'm going and it would be good to meet some of you.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: drewster71 on February 17, 2010, 11:10:57 AM
Hey Brad

Here is the link cheers

Drew
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ALFA-ROMEO-ALFETTA-GIULIETTA-F-GAS-SHOCK-ABSORBERS_W0QQitemZ180257481923QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item29f82ee4c3
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Davidm1600 on February 17, 2010, 12:55:26 PM
Hey Storm what model Alfa are the Konis you have for sale and $$$ how much ?? ;D  Do they need re-building or are they in good condition.  I have previously had Koni reds upgraded to yellows in the past.  I think it cost approx $100-150 for a pair to upgrade??

I have yellows in my 1750 GTV and Fiat 124 sport and they are brilliant.  I would like to install similar in my Super and also am interested in obtaining konis for the 156 wagon.  Dave
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: kartone on February 17, 2010, 12:58:33 PM
Prova, I have planned to attend Autobella if I don't get media-access tickets to the SuperBike at Phillip Island (courtesy of Ducati).
If I attend with my 116 is there a designated parking area for us visitors?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Storm_X on February 17, 2010, 04:32:37 PM
Quote from: Davidm1750 on February 17, 2010, 12:55:26 PM
Hey Storm what model Alfa are the Konis you have for sale and $$$ how much ?? ;D  Do they need re-building or are they in good condition.  I have previously had Koni reds upgraded to yellows in the past.  I think it cost approx $100-150 for a pair to upgrade??

I have yellows in my 1750 GTV and Fiat 124 sport and they are brilliant.  I would like to install similar in my Super and also am interested in obtaining konis for the 156 wagon.  Dave

they came off a 116 alfett so they will fit 116`s.

not sure on price. how much do they sell for ?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 17, 2010, 05:42:07 PM
Hey Kartone you can usually park where you want to within Como Park - well around the judging area - this is set aside for visitors and their Italian cars. It is very relaxed and casual - maybe if we look out for other 116's we can park together. I am aiming to get there around 10am. I will try to get an area for us. Its a great day out with your car with heaps of friendly Italian car enthusiasts. You will usually find me ogling the FIAT 850's and 124 Coupes particularly the AC's. A few years ago a guy turned up in a De Tomaso Mangusta - wow what a car drew a very appreciative and large crowd. Amazing really he was surrounded by other more modern Italian exotica costing in the hundreds of thousands each and his Mangusta made them virtually invisible. What a car - a piece of art really. I heard the owner mention that it took him two years to find this particular car but that he 'only' paid $70,000 for it - smart 'bargain' buying. People observing this guy driving this car would think awesome car - passionate enthusiast driver but on the other hand you only need a fat wallet and a passing interest in cars to buy a new Ferrari off the showroom floor and most people would think wanker, rich stuck up git, etc, etc. Maybe I'm wrong what do you guys think? If i had serious cash I would be buying all of my cars from the sixties and seventies - beautiful beautiful machines!

Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Mat Francis on February 17, 2010, 05:51:43 PM
Quote from: Storm_X on February 17, 2010, 04:32:37 PM
Quote from: Davidm1750 on February 17, 2010, 12:55:26 PM
Hey Storm what model Alfa are the Konis you have for sale and $$$ how much ?? ;D  Do they need re-building or are they in good condition.  I have previously had Koni reds upgraded to yellows in the past.  I think it cost approx $100-150 for a pair to upgrade??

I have yellows in my 1750 GTV and Fiat 124 sport and they are brilliant.  I would like to install similar in my Super and also am interested in obtaining konis for the 156 wagon.  Dave

they came off a 116 alfett so they will fit 116`s.

not sure on price. how much do they sell for ?


I paid $180 for a set of 4 yellows about a month ago. So something south of that for reds i would assume.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Fast Eddie on February 17, 2010, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from: drewster71 on February 16, 2010, 07:56:20 PM
Ok i just replaced my front shockers on 83 gtv 2lt, found some brand new ones on Ebay , ACDelta brand delivered to Adelaide in 5 days $78 for both, and they are gas, fitted and drives nice, ok they arent Koni Yellows or similar but being a family man and just trying to have a nice safe ride I am dam happy,
company i bought from always have availabilty and always on ebay, but can send you a link if interested..

Cheers Drew
I have a full front and rear set of these AC Delta (Gabriel) shocks to fit an 77-80 Alfetta GTV 2 litre (steel bumper) available.  Cost $118 for full set plus postage. Will sell for $100 (can negotiate postage).  Brand new, boxes not even opened.  Bought them cos they were supposedly the last full set but have bought some more aggressive units so these are now surplus to my needs.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: meizhak on February 23, 2010, 12:21:54 AM
Quote from: prova on February 11, 2010, 09:08:48 AM
extreme FIAT 850 Coupe/Sports Coupe. Still on the hunt for one of these - anyone know of one that needs a resto? I have got a 1438cc twin cam (AC Coupe) engine sitting in the shed. My plan is to overbore this motor to about 1650cc and slot this in to the rear replacing the 843/903cc engine. Sidedraft webers, nice exhaust, front radiator, etc. If you like these small FIATs then you should check out scuderia topolino, it is amazing what these guys produce for these cars!

Prova,

sorry to get off the actual topic but what type of gearbox arrangement are you thinking about using in the 850. Correct me if Im wrong but doesnt the 903 spin counter clockwise and 124 motor spin clockwise.Have seen one with this arangement using a VW gearbox. Very fast indeed if you could keep the front wheels on the ground.I know where there one for sale in country WA if your interested. Requires full rebuild, been in a shed for many years.

cheers

kack





Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 23, 2010, 08:58:41 AM
Hey Kack I'm stoked you have gone 'off topic' - my kind of topic! The twin cam engine can be 'reversed' by 'refazing' the camshafts whatever that really means, I am no engineer. Appently for someone who knows what they are doing it pretty straightforward. I really would like to keep the whole setup FIAT keeping the original box which by the way can handle up to 200hp reliably. Not bad for a pretty small gearbox. The driveshafts would be a weakness. You can get custom shafts/couplings or FIAT 128 and Alfetta driveshafts have been customised to fit.

Hey mate I would love to know more about the 850. Would you be able to find out the price, location and body condition. I would be really keen to find out. I would always have to factor in transportation so its price would be a key factor. Thanks heaps for your post.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: kartone on February 23, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
Prova, was at the show Sunday but without the GTV . Did you see the Lamborghini Miura S and the Lancia Integrales ?
I do you upload photos to the forum ?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on February 23, 2010, 10:20:40 PM
Great day but to hot to really just enjoy yourself. I first saw this Muira at the (Maldon) Mt Tarrengower Hillclimb and I got speaking to the owner Ean - a very nice guy. He also owns the most amazing collection of Italian cars and his daily driver is a Porsche 911 Turbo from the 80's - nice! He has this most beautiful ASI with a 750cc twin cam. It looks like a miniature Ferrari of the late 60's. He also has a FIAT based single seater racing car from the 50's and a host of other cars as well. The Lancia's made a great impression. I didn't get my camera out this year so sorry no photos. Did you see my car?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on March 01, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
Just fitted the B4 Bilsteins. I fitted the front two last week and I noticed only a slight improvement in ride/handling even though the shockers I removed were somewhat knackered. They were not the original shocks as I first suspected but old Monroes. One in particular was very hard to draw but collapsed way too easily. I was surprised at only a slight improvement. Tonight I fitted the rears and these were also tired. These really made a big improvement to the handling. I live in regional Victoria about a 20 minute drive from Geelong. When I leave my driveway I am instantly onto windy and hilly 'quiet as' country roads. I know these roads quite well and how my car drives through them. Really impressed with the more positive attitude of the car, less body roll and more controlled with much higher cornering speeds and I am really stoked. I am going to start up a new thread and ask you guys what else can be done to improve its handling.
Thanks guys for all of your input - did anyone else buy a set of these shockers through Alfisti?

I am chasing a second hand set of Pace rear springs at the moment would these work with standard torsion bars?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: carjunky on March 02, 2010, 08:17:56 AM
Prova,
       I have just pulled out my Pace springs, they have done about 4,000 km's. They were too firm and made the rear of the car lower which looks odd when the front isn't lowered also and they were his softer springs. The car is much more comfortable now.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on March 02, 2010, 09:51:22 AM
Thanks Car Junky. Thats bad news for me - I just agreed to buy a pair! Although I am going to lower the front. I will give them a go anyway and let you guys know what my thoughts are. Anyone else used them particularly with standard front torsion bars?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: carjunky on March 02, 2010, 10:19:19 AM
Can't you cancel?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: 116gtv on March 02, 2010, 10:41:14 AM
you could fit a bigger swaybar to control the front end abit better.

trouble is you need a really big one to make it work well but anything bigger than you have will help..
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on March 02, 2010, 11:48:11 AM
So do you mean the stiffer rear springs will work okay with lowered standard torsion bars PLUS a larger diameter front anti roll bar? I have seen Selbys bars advertised quite often on Ebay. Are these okay? Or are there better options? I got a price for poly bushing most of the car from SuperPro about $300 has anyone got some advice on these?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: grpa9x on March 02, 2010, 05:04:06 PM
prova,
hi, i got my bilsteins a couple of weeks ago from alfisti, i havent fitted them yet, thanks for help with the details.
cheers michael ;D
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: grpa9x on March 02, 2010, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: carjunky on March 02, 2010, 10:19:19 AM
Can't you cancel?


hey carjunky are you looking to off load the springs,??
cheers michael
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on March 02, 2010, 06:42:17 PM
Hi Carjunky I haven't paid for them yet so I suppose I can pull out (but I am really keen as well to give them a go!). Can I ask how much the springs were new? Grpa9X can you let us know what you think of the Bilsteins after you fit them - pretty easy to fit by the way.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: 116gtv on March 02, 2010, 11:26:44 PM
QuoteSo do you mean the stiffer rear springs will work okay with lowered standard torsion bars PLUS a larger diameter front anti roll bar? I have seen Selbys bars advertised quite often on Ebay. Are these okay? Or are there better options? I got a price for poly bushing most of the car from SuperPro about $300 has anyone got some advice on these?

Yes, it makes a big difference and its not a bad option for a road car - the front roll is reduced by the big swaybar and the rear roll somewhat controlled with bigger springs. Its a bit of hit and miss to balance the two when you first start. If you can get your hands on 23.6mm  gtv6 torsion bars cheaply then get those since you are moving the bars anyway to lower it.  If you match those with a 22-24mm sway bar upfront and 170 odd pound rear spring from pace than you're not too far off. If you cant get bigger torsion bars then I'd get a 27mm selby roll bar, adjustable or not. Dont lower the front too much unless you just want the looks and flattened down pipes.. Otherwise you can fork out more bucks for 27/28mm torsion bars and keep our swaybar which is 18 or 20 mm and do the rear as above...
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on March 03, 2010, 10:00:33 AM
Great info '116gtv'. My car is an 85 GTV with aircon and thought that I may have already fitted the 23mm torsion bars. I will measure them later. If I have its sounds like they might be okay for my plans. So I think this is my plan: Check existing tosion bar diameter and lower moderately, fit PACE rear springs and source a larger front anti roll bar. I think some poly bushes will be finding a home as well.

With this setup what would be the ideal front wheel alignment settings (is the rear adjustable)? I have noticed adjustable camber bolts for the front end advertised as well - I thought lowering the front end would introduce camber anyway? or are these a worthwhile modification?
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Mat Francis on March 03, 2010, 11:25:27 AM
Quote from: prova on March 03, 2010, 10:00:33 AM
Great info '116gtv'. My car is an 85 GTV with aircon and thought that I may have already fitted the 23mm torsion bars. I will measure them later. If I have its sounds like they might be okay for my plans. So I think this is my plan: Check existing tosion bar diameter and lower moderately, fit PACE rear springs and source a larger front anti roll bar. I think some poly bushes will be finding a home as well.

With this setup what would be the ideal front wheel alignment settings (is the rear adjustable)? I have noticed adjustable camber bolts for the front end advertised as well - I thought lowering the front end would introduce camber anyway? or are these a worthwhile modification?

Your car should have the 23mm torsion bars.

If you achieve negative camber as a result of lowering the front end, you have lowered it far too much. You will have sent the front roll center underground, and the thing will handle like a bag of shit. Unless you really know what you're doing, lowering the car is likely to make it handle worse. Check with a specialist before you do it. (and don't use the same techniques discussed recently on here...)

1.5 degrees negative camber, 5 degrees caster and i think it's about 1mm toe in (or is it out? someone else should know) should work pretty well for a road car. Unless you're pretty unlucky you shouldn't need longer bolts to achieve sensible camber for a road car.

Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on March 03, 2010, 11:42:34 AM
Thanks Mat

I have experienced the effects of lowering a car previously which definately had some negatives (bump steer and suspension bottoming in particular) I don't intend on going over the top on the Alfa and thanks on the settings for the wheel alignment. I am trying to work through each aspect of the car in a considered and moderate way hopefully it will work out well - so far so good!
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: 116gtv on March 03, 2010, 05:02:18 PM
sorry didnt realise your car was a late model. I think you'd be really impressed if you now add a 27mm swaybar ore even a 24mm upfront, and lower the front NO MORE so that the lower A-arms are parallel to the ground when under load (ideally pointing the slightest bit downwards at the wheel end..).

Mat's alignment suggestions are ideal for a road car IMO. Depending how keen you are, you can then mark the settings and adjust castor and tow yourself to see how you prefer it. some like toe-in others out. Max. castor will give you max neg. camber on compression around corners which not only helps front grip but also reduces outside tyre wear due to positive camber..
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: carjunky on March 03, 2010, 07:36:04 PM
Springs are now sold, thanks for the inquiries.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: prova on March 09, 2010, 10:43:26 PM
Just an update on the suspension tweaks. I have sourced a set of rear PACE springs (thanks Carjunky!)and have organised a secondhand 90 front roll bar (thanks Dehne!). Was looking at the Whiteline Suspension website and they have a 'swaybar diameter conversion chart' which I found interesting. My original bar is 20mm. Have a look at the stiffness increases with only a marginal increase in bar diameter.

20mm changed to 21mm - 22% increase
20mm changed to 22mm - 46% increase
20mm changed to 23mm - 75% increase
20mm changed to 24mm - 107% increase

I'm thinking the 90 bar at 22/23mm should be all I need to balance the stiffer rear end. Can anyone confirm the exact diameter of the 90 bar?

Today I fitted a set of Peddars castor arm poly bushes. Pretty simple installation and massive increase in control and ride. To be fair my old ones were definitely past their use by date. The Haymes manual must show the earlier arms as they are riveted to the lower suspension arm. With these arms you have to count the threads and unscrew the adjusters to remove. My later car has a single bolt which made the job really easy. I wont get the castor angles checked just yet but instead wait until I lower the car, fit rear springs, etc and then get a really good wheel alignment.
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Alfalfa on March 13, 2010, 12:45:59 AM
got my koni yellows put in today. exciting time! I still had the original shocks in. I'm very very surprised they hadnt exploded or anything after 28 odd years.

just had a little taste of them on the way home, promising stuff, reduced body and more grip  ;D

oh I can just imagine what these cars were like brand new, must've been ridiculous in for 1982!!
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: grpa9x on March 13, 2010, 07:19:53 PM
hi all,
who is a recommended supplier of these pace springs everyone talks about, i personally have not heard of them.
thanks michael
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Mile Jurcic on March 13, 2010, 10:52:48 PM
Hi Michael,

Go to the sponsors section on the home page and you will find Pace Engineering. The contact is Vin Sharp and he has lots of goodies for Alfa's.

Cheers
Mile
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: grpa9x on March 14, 2010, 07:56:01 AM
mile,
thanks for the reply.
cheers michael :)
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: Mile Jurcic on March 14, 2010, 11:37:55 AM
Good luck, i hope you dont spend too much money. He has heaps of great mods for our type of car.

I have a wish list, which i control and then the reality list which the wife controls.

Cheers.
Mile
Title: Re: Price for Koni Yellows
Post by: MarkB246 on May 07, 2010, 11:49:42 AM
Hi Folks   With the current $A to UKPound it is worth checking with EB Spares in Westbury Wiltshire UK
http://www.ebspares.co.uk/
Cheers
Mark