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Technical => 116 Series (Alfetta Sedan/GT/GTV & Giulietta Sedan) => Topic started by: Joey on November 20, 2009, 02:39:24 PM

Title: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on November 20, 2009, 02:39:24 PM
I have purchased a road worthy Alfa finally  8)
Ended up buying a GTV 2.0 with a fresh transaxle and a good service history. Receipts for rust that had been removed etc.
The seller assures me its rust free and has a good straight body and is one of the many conditions of payment, basically if I arive there and car was not described correctly I am not obliged to pay for it  ;)
So the itinerary for me is to fly to Lismore airport leaving Sydney at 8am, meeting the car at the airport then driving the 1000k's back! Yes I am crazy  :o
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170405538989&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_884wt_1165
Was my winning bid a good price for a good condition original GTV?
wish me luck! I am hopefully going to take some photo's along the way, quite a nice drive actually I did it a few times earlier this year to pick go kart stuff up from Brisbane.
I am taking my tools along with picking up supplies in town before I head back, all types of fluids etc.
Anything for me to keep in mind/ recommendations?
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: alfagtv152 on November 20, 2009, 03:03:01 PM
Hi Joey,
If that is 140,000kms only and as described I think you did good.I hope you have an enjoyable trip home and happy motoring in your Alfetta GTV,they are the best in my book.
Cheers
Andrew
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on November 20, 2009, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: alfagtv152 on November 20, 2009, 03:03:01 PM
Hi Joey,
If that is 140,000kms only and as described I think you did good.I hope you have an enjoyable trip home and happy motoring in your Alfetta GTV,they are the best in my book.
Cheers
Andrew
I usually don't like buying cars like this, but the owner seemed very genuine and after many very thorough conversations with him I came to the conclusion that it was a good bit of kit and that it comes with records of what has been done.  ;)
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: AgeG on November 20, 2009, 04:45:12 PM
Joey,

Im in Melbourne, bought a GTV6 from Oyster Bay on QLD border, met the owner at the airport, car was as described, drove it home without missing a beat, and until now no problems.

Its the best way to fall in love with your new toy!

Best of Luck

Adrian
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: pep105 on November 20, 2009, 09:40:06 PM
Hi Joey,
Yes you did do well looks like a nice example they're pretty rock solid mechanically if well looked after (maybe not electrically  :))
Think of all the fun your going to have for very little investment.
I did the same thing with a 147, caught a bus to Sydney (awful, flights were all booked out) then drove it home with the missus, great fun, would be more fun in a GTV though !
Good luck
Pep 
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on November 20, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
So guys, a few questions:
Anything special I should keep an eye on during the way home? besides the general fluids etc...
Based on it being accident free, straight body, good service history, rust free and completely original, very well cared for etc did I make a wise purchase?
With the electrical problems I am likely to face in the future, what is the general process of ensuring the electrics will be solid long into the future? A few cans of contact cleaner over significant places?
I have heard of seats that are faded getting fixed up to their original colour, seeing as though these ones are mostly intact despite being quite faded.
As I have purchased this as a enjoyable investment, what are the main things to keep a eye on for the sake of the car staying in top condition?
When it arrives, I better join the club eh?  8)
Cheers, Joey.
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: pep105 on November 20, 2009, 10:39:00 PM
Quote from: Joey on November 20, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
So guys, a few questions:
Anything special I should keep an eye on during the way home? besides the general fluids etc...
Yes the temp gauge, and bring a paper clip, crazy I know but if the thermo fan switch dies you can short it out with the paper clip, fan will stay on but at least you can control the temp if it over heats.

Quote from: Joey on November 20, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
Based on it being accident free, straight body, good service history, rust free and completely original, very well cared for etc did I make a wise purchase?
Sh*t yeah why wouldn't it be ?

Quote from: Joey on November 20, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
With the electrical problems I am likely to face in the future, what is the general process of ensuring the electrics will be solid long into the future? A few cans of contact cleaner over significant places?
I have heard of seats that are faded getting fixed up to their original colour, seeing as though these ones are mostly intact despite being quite faded.
Ahh yes, better still theres a recent thread on a GTV6 in this link that explains it really well, eg relays, contact cleaner and measuring voltage drops, alternator upgrade etc here 
http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=3753.0;topicseen

Quote from: Joey on November 20, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
I have heard of seats that are faded getting fixed up to their original colour, seeing as though these ones are mostly intact despite being quite faded.
Sorry pass, not sure about that

Quote from: Joey on November 20, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
As I have purchased this as a enjoyable investment, what are the main things to keep a eye on for the sake of the car staying in top condition?
Try and garage it if you can keep corosion at bay, attend to things as they occur dont let issues pile up or it will become a clapper before you know it, regular servicing, oil changes every 5000km, regular cooling system flush/coolant change, tailshaft donuts, exhaust mounts, syncros, carby mounts/carby tune etc give her a regular once over have an idea of the overall condition get intimate with her, and drive it regularly, they really dont like sitting around! Im sure there heaps more but anyway you get the gist.. ohh and find a good mechanic and by the Haynes workshop manual and read it like your favourite novel ! From front to back and back again

Quote from: Joey on November 20, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
When it arrives, I better join the club eh?  8)

Ahh Yes


Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on November 20, 2009, 10:48:08 PM
Quote from: pep105 on November 20, 2009, 10:39:00 PM
Quote from: Joey on November 20, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
So guys, a few questions:
Anything special I should keep an eye on during the way home? besides the general fluids etc...

Yes the temp gauge, and bring a paper clip, crazy I know but if the thermo fan switch dies you can short it out with the paper clip, fan will stay on but at least you can control the temp if it over heats.
 
Based on it being accident free, straight body, good service history, rust free and completely original, very well cared for etc did I make a wise purchase?

Sh*t yeah why wouldn't it be ?

With the electrical problems I am likely to face in the future, what is the general process of ensuring the electrics will be solid long into the future? A few cans of contact cleaner over significant places?

Ahh yes, better still theres a recent thread on a GTV6 in this link that explains it really well, eg relays, contact cleaner and measuring voltage drops, alternator upgrade etc here 

http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=3753.0;topicseen

I have heard of seats that are faded getting fixed up to their original colour, seeing as though these ones are mostly intact despite being quite faded.

Sorry pass, not sure about that

As I have purchased this as a enjoyable investment, what are the main things to keep a eye on for the sake of the car staying in top condition?

Try and garage it if you can keep corosion at bay, attend to things as they occur dont let issues pile up or it will become a clapper before you know it, regular servicing, oil changes every 5000km, regular cooling system flush/coolant change, tailshaft donuts, exhaust mounts, syncros etc give her a regular once over have an idea of the overall condition get intimate with her, and drive it regularly , they dont like sitting around ! Im sure there heaps more but anyway you get the gist.. ohh and find a good mechanic and by the Haynes workshop manual and read it like your favourite novel !

When it arrives, I better join the club eh?  8)

Yep
I better keep a good eye that the thermo fan is kicking in when it should.
Haynes worshop manual I already have, first purchase I made! By sitting around, this is quite a fun thing for me to have as I work/manage a local mobile detailing business so this will have to travel a few times during the week as the demo car along with I fully intend to enjoy driving this machine! 8)
Cheers for the quick reply pep105.
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: MD on November 21, 2009, 08:00:21 AM
joey,

If you want to keep it rust free (of the serious kind) spray all hollow sections with Valvoline Tectyl 506. Also good for around the battery tray area to stabilise any corrosion.
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on November 22, 2009, 02:33:02 PM
I went through the sponsors page but it would be best for me if somebody could recommend a good honest Sydney specialist? Most basic servicing and maintenance I plan on doing myself but it would be good for me to get a specialist to go over the car first.  8)
Cheers, Joey.  ;D
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Mile Jurcic on November 22, 2009, 07:36:21 PM
Hey Mate,
Congratulations on your purchase. Looks like a good solid car. Noticed the dash looks like its in good conditions with no apparent cracks. I have the same car with same coloring and i rekon it looks great.
I agree with what pep105 said "Think of all the fun your going to have for very little investment". Although my little investment seems to get bigger as the weeks pass.
Have fun and safe travelling.
Mile
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on November 26, 2009, 07:50:24 PM
Left home at 5am left Sydney airport at 7am, arrived at Lismore at 9am. Left Left Lismore at 10 after picking up supplies at the local SuperCheap auto.
Trip was going great for about 9 hours, kept a eye on fluids the hole way with nothing worrying to report. One of my stops I had a look at the drivebelt and it was starting to look a little frail. After leaving that stop, got 1k down the A1 to start hearing a squeek. Immediately I knew what it was and aimed the car towards the nearest breakdown bay. It went just before I made it to breakdown bay, just managed to stop it before it caused some damage. Went around to check the water pump and the alternator were spinning freely which they were.
Had to resort to NRMA... Took a fair bit of arguing to convince them that it was actually a very simple thing to repair. Eventually I managed to get in contact with a service driver who confirmed he had the belt with him and could replace it. Four hours later I was on my way back home. Besides this small hickup the trip was really good, the car was awesome to drive and after a bit of a polish the paint came up great.
What a trip  8)
travelling from 5am til 1am. What a day, but so worth it!
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: MD on November 27, 2009, 12:20:13 PM
I know this is going to sound a little kinky but...did you know you can make an emergency fan belt from a nylon stocking?

The trick is to only hook it up to the water pump and main pulley so the engine won't boil. The battery should run the car long enough to get you to a servo or spare parts place. Keep the revs low.

So next time you are in a fix and you have your girlfriend with you, you got a good excuse to say, drop 'em honey and see how far you get (in a manner of speaking).  :) :)
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on November 27, 2009, 05:50:30 PM
Quote from: MD on November 27, 2009, 12:20:13 PM
I know this is going to sound a little kinky but...did you know you can make an emergency fan belt from a nylon stocking?

The trick is to only hook it up to the water pump and main pulley so the engine won't boil. The battery should run the car long enough to get you to a servo or spare parts place. Keep the revs low.

So next time you are in a fix and you have your girlfriend with you, you got a good excuse to say, drop 'em honey and see how far you get (in a manner of speaking).  :) :)

That is the most horrible (and best) bush mechanic idea I have heard in a wile!

The car's paint work is struggling with oxidization as well. Tried to give it a bit of a hand polish but it was looking faded again the next day. I am thinking about booking it into a panel beaters shop to see how good they can get it to come up. If not I will probably eventually have to pull together the money for a respray  :(
all in all I am very happy with this car, I have found one little spot of rust over the entire car which seems quite good for a un-restored example :D
It came with receipts for the transaxle being replaced with a rebuilt one only a few thousand K's ago. All the synchro's are excellent, the engine is running great too and used next to no oil over a 1000k trip  8)
I like the fact that it is a original example with heaps of history with it of all receipts etc. Hopefully this will reflect on the resale value in a few years time.
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: alfagtv152 on November 27, 2009, 10:50:59 PM
Hi Joey,
I use a product called ,T cut Original colour restorer, to cut away dead paint by hand and then use a red coloured wax polish to bring back the shine.I said red polish because I think you said it is red?.
Cheers
Andrew
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on November 27, 2009, 11:50:44 PM
Quote from: alfagtv152 on November 27, 2009, 10:50:59 PM
Hi Joey,
I use a product called ,T cut Original colour restorer, to cut away dead paint by hand and then use a red coloured wax polish to bring back the shine.I said red polish because I think you said it is red?.
Cheers
Andrew
Cheers mate, I can't wait to get it looking as good as it can!
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: MD on November 28, 2009, 10:09:25 AM
joey

regarding a respray..

IF you have a future resale in mind, some buyers may have a suspicion that the vehicle has been involved in major repairs or is a rust bucket and is has been tarted up. This usually means a lot less return on the car than what you might be expecting.

To counter the problem of trust, you need to develop evidence that all the work has been done honestly and with a simple purpose of restoration. To do this you will need lots of photos of before and after stuff including detail photos of any repairs done during the process and naturally documentation etc.

Finally nothing cheapens a car more than a colour change where it was originally one colour and now it has two. The orignal under the bonnet and the new one on the outside. The usual answer is to paint it black under the bonnet in these cases which drops the price even further..

Just a few things to keep in mind to get the best bang for your buck down the track...


Congrats on the car and as you know nothing puts a horn on a jelly fish faster than a transaxle GTV. ;D
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on November 28, 2009, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: MD on November 28, 2009, 10:09:25 AM
joey

regarding a respray..

IF you have a future resale in mind, some buyers may have a suspicion that the vehicle has been involved in major repairs or is a rust bucket and is has been tarted up. This usually means a lot less return on the car than what you might be expecting.

To counter the problem of trust, you need to develop evidence that all the work has been done honestly and with a simple purpose of restoration. To do this you will need lots of photos of before and after stuff including detail photos of any repairs done during the process and naturally documentation etc.

Finally nothing cheapens a car more than a colour change where it was originally one colour and now it has two. The orignal under the bonnet and the new one on the outside. The usual answer is to paint it black under the bonnet in these cases which drops the price even further..

Just a few things to keep in mind to get the best bang for your buck down the track...


Congrats on the car and as you know nothing puts a horn on a jelly fish faster than a transaxle GTV. ;D
It was always going to be my intention if I were going to respray it back to its original colour, not just for the resale value but the cost of the respray being dramatically cheaper. I am hoping to avoid this because it is such a original car, with paint that isn't very bad at all for a car that's nearly 30 years old! For my long term outlook as well stock as a rock original GTV's are starting to become rare so hopefully that will help me in the future.
Cheers, Joey.
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: MD on November 29, 2009, 09:09:54 AM
Hey Andrew,

I don't think much of that TCut stuff restorer. When I bought some, the guy told me it was a great multipurpose product so I tried it as a hair restorer on my helipad upstairs 2 years ago. I am still waiting for the results. Either my expectations are too great or the progress is very slow. I am hoping it's the later... :) :)
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: alfagtv152 on November 29, 2009, 07:18:53 PM
Hey Mikey,
What can I say,must be the operator!.With sufficient elbow grease you can rub right through the paint,I have used it for years and I have lots of trophies for show&shine.Are you sure you were not trying to rub back the clear coat to get to the hair?.
Cheers
Andrew
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on December 01, 2009, 03:35:24 PM
Still on my GTV, my next question is exhaust, it has a standard exhaust besides the centre muffler having been removed. The hole system has a bit too much of a rattle for me. What would be my best option to go with to get it sounding as good as it can? By good I mean a good note and not stupidly loud  8)
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: MD on December 01, 2009, 08:02:55 PM
Joey,

I meant to ask the question earlier..is this an ex Jim Edwards car?
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: alfagtv152 on December 01, 2009, 08:09:26 PM
Hi Joey,
I would go 2inch from the collector(2into1)with an offset entry-centre exit straight through muffler in the middle,over the axle and a Hot dog at the rear.I prefer the Tip to be like the original and point down,I actually use an original tip fitted to the hot dog which is stainless on my GT.
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on December 01, 2009, 08:20:41 PM
Your getup sounds quite good Alfagtv152, so that's set-up with stock headers? How loud is this arrangement?

MD nope, the car isn't as far as I know!
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: alfagtv152 on December 01, 2009, 10:38:19 PM
Hi Joey,
Not loud but has a nice sound with a little cracle on decell.
Cheers
Andrew
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: pep105 on December 01, 2009, 11:58:16 PM
Hi Joey,
After mucking around with a few set ups on the old 2.0 gtv, I had a 2 inch system with 2 straight through mufflers (offset centre and rear), the headers were custom made and replaced the front resonator. Sounded nice not to loud and was nicely tucked up so it wouldnt scrape as the car was lowered. I like Andrews idea of the original style tip as it suits the car nicely.

Also like the original exhaust, and at the time was looking to buy an Ansa sports exhaust but they were out of production.

That's a beautiful looking GT Andrew

Cheers
Pep
Title: Re: road tripp'n
Post by: Joey on December 05, 2009, 07:51:43 PM
After firing up my Alfetta today and having a sticky beak, the exhaust in that one seems to make a much better note than the one in my coupe. I was wondering is that of any use to me? Its welded so it would have to be cut to get out and re welded to put into the coupe.