IF FERRARI PULL OUT OF F-1,THERE WILL BE NO FORMULA ONE,IT WILL BE DEAD AND BURIED//ACCORDING TO OFFICIAL STATISTICS MOR THAN 80 PERCENT OF F-1 FOLLOWERS WORLDWIDE FOLLOW THE SCUDERIA.CIAO
There are also other teams threatening to pull out. If so this really will be the death knell for the sport.
Perhaps it is time that Bernie effectively took control over the whole shooting match instead of allowing the current lot to stuff it all up.
Barry
Quote from: lombardi on May 21, 2009, 06:22:45 PM
IF FERRARI PULL OUT OF F-1,THERE WILL BE NO FORMULA ONE,IT WILL BE DEAD AND BURIED//ACCORDING TO OFFICIAL STATISTICS MOR THAN 80 PERCENT OF F-1 FOLLOWERS WORLDWIDE FOLLOW THE SCUDERIA.CIAO
Yep, dunno how the sport survived between 1980-1999 when Ferrari won 0 (drivers) championships. If it wasn't for a certain German, a certain Frenchman, and two certain Englishmen, they still wouldn't have won anything.
And STOP SHOUTING.
VERY TRUE there will never be such a partnership again[just like the beatles] but remember ENZO started with ALFA and history still matters and drives our future.CIAO
Quote from: lombardi on May 21, 2009, 10:45:47 PM
history still matters and drives our future
A truer statement has never been uttered Lombardi.
It's easy to remember the recent history though (for example Ferrari's last ten years) and forget the slightly more distant history (Ferrari were a joke for a long time). When Prost can't win you the championship there's something seriously wrong (either that or an equally good driver in the competitors car) and don't forget it took the "dream team" a few years to get Ferrari to a winning position.
I'll be very interested to see if Ferrari follow through with their bluff. After all, does F1 need Ferrari, or does Ferrari need F1? I would wager the latter myself.
I'd also question this claim that 80% of F1 fans support Ferrari. There are die-hards and then there are fair-weathers. There were far less Ferrari fans at this years Australian GP that I noticed.
Statistics are like bikinis; what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. (Aaron Levenstein)
Ferrari needs F1 as much as F1 needs Ferrari.
It's in both parties interests to find some sort of amicable solution. Failing that, long-term, it's still not in Ferrari's interests to pull the pin. Their whole name more or less has been built around their prowess and participation in formula one - a fact which helps to create a selling point for their road cars. It's all about brand and image building.
At the end of the day, F1 has always been the world's premier motor sport competition. Would Ferrari want to sever their continued participation in F1 since the world championships inception in 1950?
I would think not. It certainly wouldn't be prudent given what's at stake.
Quote from: Sheldon Mcintosh on May 22, 2009, 12:54:04 AM
Statistics are like bikinis; what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. (Aaron Levenstein)
Nice quote there.
Hi 5.
;)
Quote from: Sheldon Mcintosh on May 21, 2009, 11:10:21 PM
It's easy to remember the recent history though (for example Ferrari's last ten years) and forget the slightly more distant history (Ferrari were a joke for a long time). When Prost can't win you the championship there's something seriously wrong (either that or an equally good driver in the competitors car)
Sheldon, I must take issue here. :)
A) Ferrari were not a 'joke' between 80 and 99. They won constructors championships in 82 and 83, regularly winning races (there was not a single year Ferrari didn't win at least one race). Alboreto finished second in the championship in 87 and would have won but for some untimely retirements.
B) Prost would have won the championship in 90 had he not been taken out by Senna in Japan.
I'm sure F1 needs Ferrari more than the other way around. A factory Ferrari team at Le Mans would be huge. I lived in the UK for a while and the Le Mans races are a lot bigger and generate more public interest than most Aussies would realise.
Besides, it's not Ferrari vs the rest. If Ferrari left, you can bet BMW and Renault wouldn't be far behind. They would form the basis of a very interesting breakaway series.
If they do break away and form a new series, possibly without Bernie and Max, would that be all bad??
With the amount of money Bernie demands and the bull dozing of the regulations, by Max every time you turn around these days, I'm thinking a fresh start might not be a bad thing.
I don't know about the rest of you, but for me the important thing is the drivers. By this stage the Ferrari is just like any other F1 car, except its red. There's no more passion in that car than there is in say RedBull, which is a "bought" team. Ferrari leaving will only be a problem if they bring some of the other drivers with them.
I know some will se it as a "hollow" championship without Ferrari, but the fact is we are already there! They aren't competitive for the title this year, but I think it's the most interesting championship for years. Without Todt & Brawn I don't think they will regain their dominance for a while. Will see what happens, but I think Ferrari needs F1 more than F1 needs Ferrari. F1 will always survive, there's so much history there it cannot be replaced.
NICE COMMENTS EVERYONE,lets be honest here, F-1 HAS BEEN SO SUCCESFUL OVER THE YEARS DUE TO FERRARI PARTICIPATING,what other team has the whole support of a country, and ITALIA AT THAT,ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT AND TECHNOLOGICAL NATIONS ON EARTH, with history unequalled,ITALIA AND FERRARI HAVE NO PEERS.CIAO AND BUONANOTTE.
Quote from: k76 on May 22, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but for me the important thing is the drivers.
Drivers come and go, Ferrari have always been there.
Quote from: k76 on May 22, 2009, 01:05:08 PMBy this stage the Ferrari is just like any other F1 car, except its red. There's no more passion in that car than there is in say RedBull, which is a "bought" team.
Blasphemy! :D
Quote from: f1worldchamp on May 22, 2009, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: k76 on May 22, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but for me the important thing is the drivers.
Drivers come and go, Ferrari have always been there.
Quote from: k76 on May 22, 2009, 01:05:08 PMBy this stage the Ferrari is just like any other F1 car, except its red. There's no more passion in that car than there is in say RedBull, which is a "bought" team.
Blasphemy! :D
Im sure this matter will be cleared up. No Team should run at 100-120 million euros. The Scuderia have a contract in which they will participate in the next 3 seasons. The Monaco GP is tonight and we have a Ferrari on the front row and I imagine it will be leading come lap 2. So do we have many Alfa Romeo owners who are F1 nuts? I am the latter.. soon to be BOTH!
Quote from: rosso_alfa on May 24, 2009, 01:39:16 PM
Im sure this matter will be cleared up. No Team should run at 100-120 million euros. The Scuderia have a contract in which they will participate in the next 3 seasons. The Monaco GP is tonight and we have a Ferrari on the front row and I imagine it will be leading come lap 2. So do we have many Alfa Romeo owners who are F1 nuts? I am the latter.. soon to be BOTH!
Well it was a better showing by the red cars, not exactly brilliant.
I seem to remember once years ago there were some green cars in the F1 field. Anyone remember who they were?? ;)
JAGUAR- IN OTHER WORDS A FANCY FORD.CIAO
I guess you're talking about Lotus? The sport seems to have survived the loss of them alright. They might not have had quite the status of Ferrari, but not far behind in its time. Lets not forget who invented the monocoque, ground effect and a few other trivial things.
Quote from: k76 on May 25, 2009, 04:05:54 PM
I guess you're talking about Lotus? The sport seems to have survived the loss of them alright. They might not have had quite the status of Ferrari, but not far behind in its time. Lets not forget who invented the monocoque, ground effect and a few other trivial things.
I don't think Lotus ever had green livery, maybe right at the end. By then they were a shadow of there former selves anyway, and had been since Colin Chapman passed.
I thought rosso_alfa was referring to the Alfa Romeo team, which was sponsored by Benneton at one stage and had green livery.
Quote from: lombardi on May 25, 2009, 11:30:42 AM
JAGUAR- IN OTHER WORDS A FANCY FORD.CIAO
:D :D Totally forgot about them even though I got models of Webbers cars.
Quote from: f1worldchamp on May 25, 2009, 04:10:22 PM
I don't think Lotus ever had green livery, maybe right at the end. By then they were a shadow of there former selves anyway, and had been since Colin Chapman passed.
I thought rosso_alfa was referring to the Alfa Romeo team, which was sponsored by Benneton at one stage and had green livery.
Yep it was early 80's I beleive and many have been through before and since and F1 still rolls on, the championship will survive in one shape or form, just might not have Bernie at the helm (might be a blessing), and Max might fall by the wayside. I for one wouldn't shed any tears if those 2 were displaced/replaced. Needs some common sense to prevail somehow.
Quote from: lombardi on May 25, 2009, 11:30:42 AM
JAGUAR- IN OTHER WORDS A FANCY FORD.CIAO
You're doing a very good job of winding people up Lombardi. ;)
Calling Jaguar a fancy Ford is exactly like calling Ferrari a fancy Fiat. Jaguar has been around longer than Ferrari, and were an independent manufacturer for far longer. If you think that Scuderia Ferrari is anything other than Fiat's racing arm you're deluding yourself.
Quote from: WilliamB1750 on May 25, 2009, 11:14:45 AM
I seem to remember once years ago there were some green cars in the F1 field. Anyone remember who they were?? ;)
Vanwall, BRM, Cooper, Brabham(British-Aus), Mclaren(British-NZ), etc, etc. ;)
There's no denying that Ferrari have done brilliantly well in leveraging the 'mystique' of their brand into a massive fan base, masquerading as national fervour. So much so that it was only about 7 years ago that everyone tried to do the same, hence the reference to the green Jaguars a couple of posts hence. In trying to stir up some similar jingoism, and get the feelings of the good old days when cars were in their national colours, there were the "BRG" Jaguars, the silver Mclaren-Mercedes, the white Hondas, the blue Renaults. Didn't work for anybody really......
Formula 1 will always survive (I hope), but it may need some radical changes pretty soon. Don't forget that it was just about dead in the 60s as well, and at one stage they were running 1.5 litre NA engines, the series would have died without the affordable and competitive Cosworth DFV engine.
And someone more controversial than me might also say that any team could do as well as Ferrari if they were getting as many extra payments as Ferrari do...http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21055.html (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21055.html)
Lombardi, here's a video you might like..
And another....
http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=513.0 (http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=513.0)
Cheers Sheldon, good article that.
Enzo Ferrari would be rolling in his grave at what is going on.
Don't forget Ferrari is is business to go motor racing. Thats what Ferrar know best and thats what Enzo would expect.
The road car business is just a bit of fun on the side for them.
Ferrari wont be going anywhere.......great bluff tough!
Quote from: Harrislu on May 26, 2009, 09:27:11 PM
Ferrari wont be going anywhere.......great bluff tough!
I wouldn't think Ferrari staying with the F1 is a forgone conclusion. Their involvement with A1GP gives them the infrastructure for another series. All that have to do is invite Toyota, BMW and Renault to run cars in A1GP, and presto, the heart is ripped out of F1.