Im selling a BMW 525i 1989 and looking at buying an alfa romeo 164 q
Im only 18 but had a 156 selespeed 2001. model andd im currently driving my mothers 166 but my whole family is based around alfa romeo's and i was just wondering any1 know any reknown issues with the 164 Q.
and Prices that i should look at ? or maybe a 75 i was thinking about ? which is the better out of the two?
thankss for opinions
ciao
:)
beautiful car,just be aware service history and timing belts can be costly to change as its cumbersome to get to,remember 164 is front wheel drive,instruments are problematic,buy carefully,as many cars have been neglected and electrics take a beating,costly to repair,for my money id go for a 75,rear wheel drive and less problems,but both are awesome cars,happy searching.ciao
my girlfriends oldman has one and loves it the power is awesome he might be selling as he has brought a porsche 911 (traider) i also know a guy selling a white 164q i will try and organise some pics if i can
Must once again agree with Lombardi, if you can find an unmolested 75 in fair condition particularly if its got the 2.5 six, given its rear wheel drive with less suseptable electrics, I'd go the 75, its also more focused and will be much more fun on the twisties!
1750GT
you really need to drive both and go from there i am a big rwd fan and i would take a 3ltr 75 anyday of the week but the feeling you get when you go from 5th to 3rd when wanting to overtake in the Q is something worth experiencing it just throws you back and says hold the funk on and enjoy the ride and boy did i enjoy that
Thanks guys for the opinions ...
yea i like the alfa 75 alot
i dont know if you guys have seen a Red one around from Victoria A 2.0lt Twin spark turbo charged pulling 425 horses .. my uncle built it from scratch and i enjoyed the car a hell of alot. and i was thinking of the 75 at the time of my first car although i went in 164 Q and loved it as well but i havnt driven ethier as of yet.
I also believe the 164Q is a better looking car but it depends. like i also like the 75 after it has the sports kits on it.
and if you like to see a video of the alfa 75 search Alfa 75 TS turbo 425hp in youtube and it is there on the island. and a video of it in front of my uncles house.
and im also a fan of RWD rather then FWD but i dont mind to be honest.
Thanks.
I've had mine since 1992 and love it. Just had it's 145K service at Maranello PurSang yesterday. Apart from a clutch that is starting to wear and a minor oil leak (Giancarlo said to wait and get both done at a later date) it passed with flying colors. If you are ever in Werribee, welcome to take it for a drive.
Thanks joe , sounds good to me.. Im seriously stuck on the two cars ive heard good things about both althought i think the 75 3.0 v6 maybe have a little more balls considering the weight in that car. but im not to fussed im more in it for the Note of the car and the looks
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:)
Terst drive them both and see what you enjoy.
A 75 is the last rear wheel drive Alfas pre merger.
How a bout a 75 Potenziata that has a 164 engine (not the q) in it any way - hard to find but ... you never know ?
Good luck.
thanks john.
ill have a look there is a black 75 potenzata floating around for sale i may just have a look
thanks.
there is a 164q forsale on carsales the Q will eat a 75
164q will eat 75 3.0lt?
thats goodd because so far im heading towards the Q love the looks and the car alone
thankss buddy.
there isa guy in resivour selling a Q if ur interested
it is owned by an alfa mechanic
do you have a link? or sumthing i can veiw photos?
thanks
Quote from: dehne on March 25, 2009, 07:07:04 PM
the Q will eat a 75
Not around a track it won't. As long it's more than one lap anyway....
that may be true but this if for road use and will never be intended for on track. its purely for looks and sound and ofcourse a bit of power! acceleration and also top speed is handy to have but not so much use lol.
That's what I'm saying. The Q has the acceleration and top speed (as if you can use it anywhere in Vic), but it's a big heavy FWD car. The 75 has the nice handling.
If you're after looks, sound and power, definitely go for a Q. Just be prepared for higher bills and worse handling.
If I was you I'd get a 535i, the perfect compromise (duck).
haha im trying to get rid of a lovely looking 525i it had no balls what so ever.. and is causing me massive bills considering there Head issues! !! ...and it sounds and looks stunning! but its not for me .. i prefer an alfa any day! any day of the week!
If you prefer an Alfa "any day of the week", then one day you'll want to get it on the track. Trust me.
yea im sure i will with no doubts .. i can nearly gaurentee i will.
thanks anyways.
ciao
ha "any day of the week" includes Sunday.
yes exactly right includes sunday.
Hi,
I never liked the 164 cars. They were soft and just felt like a "nice" Holden.
Then I saw a q in a dealers yard and drove it just to see how it went. I bought it there and then. When I got home I realised I had to change my company contract for the car I already had, but I did. The q was worth it.
The capacity might be the same as the 75 but they are not the same engine. I also had a GTV6 and loved it but it just cannot compete with the 164q. I always said I had 2 engines, one below 4,000rpm was powerful and refined and was better than most out there. Then from there until the engine limiter cut in (as it often did) it was a beast in power and sound. Flooring it at 4,000rpm in second is a feeling I won't forget.
The air conditioning can be a problem with the fan motor and also the control panel can fail.
The electric seats are brilliant but troublesome (don't let it go all the way back or the motor drive can fall off the runners and you need to whack it back on).
Watch out for imported specials (mine was) becasue you'll find the usually rare parts become the ones that fail and on the imported ones nobody here will have them and the car might be off the road for months waiting for the special to come in from the supplier's factory (trust me it happens).
The electrically controlled dampers can be expensive if they need to be replaced.
Look for a well cared for car with a good service history. They are easy to abuse because they are just so much fun and beg to be driven (the rear suspension arms can easily get bent on dirt roads if you throw it around too much).
As usual with Alfas the cheapest car overall will be the best one you can only just afford.
Have fun.
thanks for the reply Andrew...
sounds quite fun :D
so Far its 164 i just need to sell this 525i to get the extra money. once that is done i may go look at one in camberwell if its still available at the time
If you insist on it being a 164, it must be the Q, all wheel drive with getrag box. Don't fall into the trap of falling in love with the front driver just because you like the Q. But I didn't think they bought the Q into Aus or if they did in very small numbers.
However I must agree with a previous opinion, the parts for these cars particularly the more complex drive trains, electrics etc. are just hard to get if impossible (except from overseas) because this was a fresh front wheel drive "fiat derived" platform, so I just think you need to consider this carefully. I note that this car was also not popular in the US, so US sourced parts are not on basically. Although popular in Europe it was never a long stay model.
The 75 on the other hand is a great car and its parts including 2.5 engine are all in the GTV etc. "family" of parts. I suggest the 75 is the better buy and certainly a lot less hastle in the long run. I say again (even if you dont use it for racing, which you probably will) the 75 will put a much bigger smile on your dial on the twisties. And after all isn't that why we like Alfa's.
1750GT
Woops, I meant 3lt engine. turboalfa, I just got my latest edition of Cross + Serpent magazine (autumn issue) and there are a number of pages devoted to the 164, you should have a read.
1750GT
The 164 Q was not all wheel drive, and they were sold in Australia. The Q4 was the all wheel drive.
1750 gt, Thanks for the opinion and yes i love the 164 but only the Q id never buy a standard 164 because i prefer the manual and want the sports addition and i must admit i love the 75's as well ... here is the 75 my uncle built and spent alot of money on came out with 425 HP in the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTUAgPEXBs
(this top link is him racing on the island has a bit of a spin haha)
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVwcanpbjmo
and that is the car itself just a video of it sitting there and inside..(very very nice car plus scary considering in third gear when he planted it , it would put us sideways in a straight line :S ) haha
hope you enjoy!
Turboalfa, Errr enjoy? are you kidding, I think I'm in love, this is what I call a superdelicious beast and I say respect your uncles good judgement and follow in his footsteps!
Go forth my boy and buy a 75 and if its half as good as this one you'll have a smile on your dial. Or if you must have the 164Q I think going for the model your thinking about is a good idea and given the not so sharp handling of the 164 front driver (still good but not as good as the more focused Alfa models) I'd consider a suspension upgrade or the Q4 with all wheel drive. The 3lt motor is certainly a gooden and one of the best looking engines on the planet.
Boy that 75 is a gun car though.
1750GT
hahah thank :) ...
yea he spent alot of moneyy on it tho lol and i mean alot!! ... also it was road rego as well! and we brought it to the drags considering it had role cage and he couldnt just dump the clutch or he would snap the driveshaft haha! .. andd we still pulled 11 seconds and 128 mph! .. lol was fastest alfa ive been in .. i believe it would be up there with the fastest in victoria. or even australia at that.
was a scary car haha ;D
Scary but lovely and it would seem from your comments unforgettable rush nonetheless I bet.
1750GT
something ill never forget.. he use to be in the aroca .. he use to go to sandown a fair bit and the island. you probly seen it around if you go to race days.
Has unc still got the beast?
1750GT
Just sold it for 20 g's .. 2 weeks ago so no idea who to although i do know the guy that bought it had other 75's and said he has never seen anything like this one haha
Well now that the "family" no longer has the beast, you'll need keep it going and do your own 75 and forget the 164Q Ah! By the way hows the search for the 164Q going, found anything yet?
1750GT
Hey turboalfa
Thats one off its face 75 your uncle owned, that didnt used to be champange colour by any chance did it? My mates old 75 Twinspark had the same rego PYY-970 and used to be that colour. Also I think this car was on ebay last year (not easy to forget it!) and the engine bay was champange..
I know the 164 q has a higher spec engine with more power, but wouldn't a 75 3.0lt Potenziata with a standard 164 engine (which it has) be a lighter and better handling car ? ... and of course rear wheel drive, last of the true Alfa designed sports cars etc..
The 164 is more of a cruiser and has new technology in comparison to the 75 but a potenziata must be worth it.
Even on the Sun Cars Guide a few weeks ago,they did a review of a late 80's performace Commodore VK SS or similar and one of the related cars of the era was noted as the Alfa 75.
Cheers.
I had a 75 Twin Spark which was wonderful to drive, but so is my Q. Try both :)
hey yes the car did use to be champainge haha! ... sorry guys havnt been able to get on last few days :) ... although yes it was a silver, champainge color when he first bought the car haha.
and no stil same 164q but ive spotted an alfa 75 TS .. although its 2.0 i prefer the v6 if anything.
Then thats the car then
Dont spew about a Twinspark thay are a great package you wont be dissapointed
i would have to drive one i suppose before i buy it so i have an idea .. see i like a bit of balls ... if anything i may by the ts and put a small t4 turbo i have in the back i actually have 2 maybe i shall slap them on with low pounds such as 6 or something rather for a bit of fun:) haha
good or bad idea? lol
Just drive one and see how you go. Try and appreciate it for the car it is rather than something with outright balls. Compare it to a 164Q and 75 3 litre Potenztiata or standard 3 litre. The Twinspark would be the best handling and has great driveabilty, just keep those turbos in the garage for now.........
I agree pep, drive them both and see what suits you the most, and I wouldn't worry about the turbo's for now either. I think the guys are right, the 2lt. is always maligned but with the loss of some substabtial weight from the 3lt down to the 2lt, the car gets an almost perfect 50/50 wieght distribution and makes the car an enjoyable weapon indeed (particularly because it still has some useful power); and if you ever do want to whack on the turbo's on or fettal the car this is a model which shouldn't be discounted, more room for the bits and more room around the engine to get more air flow for the adiitional heat.
For my money the 75, in 2lt or 3lt is the weapon of choice when compared to the 164, and is a much simpler generation of car to get parts for and maintain. But if you like to cruise and are sure that you won't get the rush to use the car you choose as a weapon then the 164 may be the one for you.
Good luck. You know almost the most enjoyable part for a while, the chase to find the one!
1750GT
see you guys are right im not gonna pull the turbos out untill at least 4 years or maybe 3 although ive heard the 164s have a much nicer sound and with my own eyes i believe they look alot better ... if the 75's wernt the ugliest looking alfa haha.. i would defiantly go for it. but honestly i think there a little to boxy for me.
Well turboalfa you should test drive a GTV6, great looking car and a beast it you want to take to the track and still rear wheel drive!
1750GT