I've taken the first step towards Group S by buying a 1979 GTV 2000. It is in fantastic condition and has obviously been maintained meticulously by a bevy of Alfa fanatics. There is very little rust evident, which is quite unusual; the car is straight and original. Even the radio is bog-standard! Looking at it today it is almost a shame to turn it into a Group S but give me time and I'll be tearing out carpet, replacing seats, getting a roll-cage built, moving the battery to the rear, fitting bonnet clips, fire extinguisher, upgrading sway bars, removing bumpers etc etc. But before I do that I'm going to enjoy owning and driving an old Alfa for a little while - there really is no joy like it. If you think you can wipe the smile from my face, there is no way - if you see a Cheshire cat driving a classic Alfa, wave 'cos it's probably me.
I'll keep you posted on how I go.
Now to business... The car is fitted with a sunroof that we think was a factory option. Can I race it with one (would have to change from glass to plastic) or should I remove it and rte-skin the roof? Any advice would be gladly received.
Great stuff Nigel. Congrats.
Sunroof does not need to be removed (pretty sure most of the Porshes have them), but they are quite heavy and the weight is at the highest point on the car (making the centre of gravity higher) so if you are looking to make it the quickest you possibly can then i would remove it, if you are just looking to get started and see where it takes you, dont worry about it for now, you can always remove it later.
Feel free to fire more questions at us, we will answer what we can and find out the answer if unknown!!
Another good contact (given you are in NSW) is Steve Smith who is the assistant compsec for AROCA NSW and eligibility officer for the VRA.
Oh yeah, post up some pics.
Great news Nigel - let us know if we can be of assistance..
Trying to post some pictures >>> ::)
Yes, saw the car on ebay - looks like a good one. Congrats.
Good start to Group S Nigel, hope to see you on the track some time soon. nice Momo Vegas rims with centre caps are rare. Are you in Sydney?
Regards John(Hollywood)
Nigel if you are in Sydney make the effort to come to a club meeting or a supersprint or a VRA meeting ... the guys in the club are generally happy to share their experiences and offer assistance.
If you want more information feel free to contact me ... details on AROCA NSW website
Thank you for all the offers of help, I'll be sure to use most of them let me assure you!
I'm in Queanbeyan (near some insignificant little town called Canberra) so I've already sent off my AROCA club membership application.
I'm not going to do much with the car straight away because I'm in a flat at the moment (divorce!!!) but I'm looking for a place with a nice big shed and when I do I'll start preparing the bodywork so this car lasts another 30 years.
Finally, there is movement at the station. Vin Sharp has modified a TS transaxle for me and botht the treansaxle and upgraded suspension (re-valved Koni yellows, 30mm torsion bars, 24mm sway bar kits and rear springs) are being fitted by the end of this month.
Sunroof (an after-market rust attractor) is being removed along with the rusty roof and replaced with a roof skin from another GTV, once the mechanicals are completed.
Getting a roll-cage in Canberra is next to impossible so I'll get that done in Sydney.
I've spent hours of my life chipping away at the deadening material (tar) applied to the indise of the vehicle and removing that is nigh on complete so the car is taking shape.
Question: Obviously the headlining was trimmed to fit the sunroof. Is there a requirement in Group S to keep the headlining or can it be removed much like the floor covering?
I think the headlining makes up part of the interior, so going by the rules it will have to stay.
Good Luck
John
Quote from: John A Pucak on August 17, 2009, 11:00:47 PM
I think the headlining makes up part of the interior, so going by the rules it will have to stay.
Agreed, I think it falls under the 'where the rules are silent, keep it standard' bit. The rules state that you can remove the floor coverings.....that's about it!!
Shhh, as the centre console in my car was beyond repair I decided not to replace it.....its kinda a floor covering ???
Good advice, but not the advice I was hoping for!
Somehow I will keep the headlining but the 'floor-covering' console was a little like yours Phil, it had been 'repaired' with aluminium strips and screws - I think the previous owner must have been an orthopaedic surgeon.
Ostensibly it was however beyond any sensible recovery.
Seats and harnesses arrived today and now decorate the garage along with a window net and tow-hooks all of which are being fitted next week along with the roll-cage. New roof-skin and re-spray (original Ivory colour) will follow over the next month.
Get new tyres this weekend. (Bridgestone RE55S)
Slowly, slowly it's coming together. Will post pics when cage in. The car still looks like a wreckers delight at the moment!
So was taking photos at Wakefield last weekend motivation for you Nigel? What's the plan for the debut meeting?
Haven't even thought about a debut event Phil but it will certainly be early next year. I think the car will be ready to be logged as Group Sc by January. Spending a day at Wakefield on Monday for a full day's training although it will be in a race-prepared Nissan GTR - not my car. Should be fun though.
Looking forward to it Nigel!
Cage in! Will post pics tomorrow of a very neat job done by Rod Kilby (Lochleigh Enterprises) in Hall (ACT) 02 6230 2234. Car now at the body repairer to get the roof re-skinned so I am rid of that pesky sunroof forever and of course a paint-job (with racing stripe to make the car faster).
Seats are fitted, have the tyres (RE55s), harnesses, window net etc so my aim is to get it on the track before Christmas and ready to be log-booked by late January after the electricals, exhaust and oil cooler are complete.
Cage pics.
Looking good Nigel. Hope to see you both down at P.I next March.
(That's a serious looking cage)
John
Stripped (almost) ready for painting. Sunroof gone and roofskin replaced with one from a 'donor' car. Very little rust in this car, in fact it's quite amazing for a 30 year old car and astonishing for an Alfa from that time. Keeping original colour (Ivory) and thinking of dark-blue racing stripe (similar colour to original unfaded interior).
Any thoughts on the stripe?
do it thats why i have two so mine is twice as quick
Mmm, I think I am the only punter racing an Alfetta without a racing stripe.
Hasn't stopped me from being quick... :D
Well Paul, I think a stripe is better than the other option ... a big 'S' on the side so people can say; 'Wow, look at that escargot'.
The car is just about complete – with a pretty much standard engine at this stage - I just changed the air inlet system to a Pipercross dome filter covering short ram-pipes.
Will take a pic this weekend when I'm planning on taking a run around Wakefield Park. All of the interior except electrical cut-off switch is done, Sparco REV seats, Willans Harnesses, window net, fire-extinguisher and all the interior parts I need for Group S have been put back. The seat-back was the hardest part. I had to cut a fair amount of metal from the cushion so I could force the whole thing under the harness-bar on the roll cage; I figured once it is in there should never be a reason to take it out again!
The car is very stiff with upgraded suspension and the welded roll-cage but I think it may be a little low in the front – I'll have a better idea when I take it on the track this weekend.
I've fitted Ferodo brake pads and RE55s tyres on Momo Vega wheels which after a few hours gentle abrasion and some metal polish have come up quite well.
The Ivory paint-job looks great and I'll get the stripe painted this month.
Planned work includes the exhaust (I already have the extractors, electrical cut-off) and fitment of an oil-cooler before logbooking with CAMS early this year. To finish my PCC licence, all I have to do is an OLT and I have no idea where and when I can do that but I'm sure CAMS will help - I took the theory test over Christmas and did it online.
Does anyone have a recommendation of what type of oil cooler I am allowed to fit (Group S), and what type I should fit?
Hello Nigel, you can try Earls in Silverwater or Pace in Melbourne. As for Cams Group S oil coolers are free
John
Thanks John,
Vin Sharp (PACE) is sending one to my mechanic and I'm getting it fitted next week. OLT booked for February, just struggling now to find a GP S Historic Scrutineer and an eligibility officer. There are now none in Canberra, so I'll have to tow my car and trailer to Sydney - hopefully I can get both organised on the same day.
Nigel
Try and contact Cams first. Our Grp S eligibility officer Greg King has resigned from this position just recently.
Good Luck
John