EDIT: I just want to open this thread by saying that the workshop used are GREAT and know their stuff. Just seems on this day, stuff didn't line up for whatever reason.
The net result is, the car drives wonderfully now./edit.
Treated the 147 to some TLC.
New plastic shifter assembly thing.
New cables.
All fitted by my Alfa guy.
Contents of wallet removed successfully.
Now.......
It is normal after replacing the above for the shifter to sit too much to one side or the other for a while?
I've been given the advice to "drive it for a couple of weeks and see how it settles" which I will do.
What I'm seeing is the stick when in neutral, is leaning to the left rather than being upright.
Thus, first is a bus ride over to the left, and 5th/reverse are "central".
Is this something that will "settle in" or should I push for it to be adjusted sooner?
Can't adjust the gearbox ends to centre it better?
I assume it could be.
Are there adjusters only at the GB end or also at the shifter end?
I didn't really want to touch it myself as I've paid good money to have it done professionally.
I'd rather they adjust it.
I think they're only at the gearbox end.
Cheers. If that's the case I'll kick it back to the workshop then.
I dont see how this would correct itself over time by settling, unless new cables stretch a little?
The cables won't stretch.
I'm not sure if the cable lengths are adjustable, at least the ones on my 147 aren't. My cables have the plastic cable ends (socket joints), I vaguely recall that I might have seen a photo of either 147 or maybe 156 cables with metal ends, perhaps these are adjustable?
It might be worth checking that the sheath of the cable (the one nearer the firewall in the engine bay, and to the right under the tunnel, which is the cable that moves with lateral lever movement) is correctly attached in its' brackets? I don't know if it is possible for the sheath to be incorrectly fitted to the brackets at either end without the sheath falling out, but perhaps?
With my cables, at the gearbox end I've deleted the plastic socket joints and replaced them with all metal female spherical rod ends. To do this I cut off the plastic ends (cutting through the plastic, not the metal rod), and threaded the rods to suit the spherical rod ends. Partly this was to eliminate play in the plastic sockets, but it also provides a degree of adjustability for the lever position. I'd have done the same for the other ends of the cables (shifter end), but the cable rods are significantly thinner at that end and I'd have had to use teeny weeny incy wincy little rod ends...
Regards,
John.
In this link, they show in the first picture, one of the length-adjustable rod ends.
http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/Alfa_147_GT_156_Gear_selector_plate_removal.shtml
I have similar on my 147, perhaps it was deleted for a bit? The genuine cable sets now sold, appear to have these adjustable heads on at least one end of one cable.
Thanks again guys.
Had a look again during lunch break to ensure I'm not being stupid/picky. We even took the boot off to see what moves where.
It's not "upright" when centred. It's leaning left.
The result truly is that to get 1st and 2nd gear, the lever is pushed to the extremities to the left within the housing.
To reach 5th or reverse, the lever sits "center", leaving plenty of room in the housing to the right for the shifter to move, if the cables allowed it (which they dont).
Quote from: Citroënbender on June 19, 2018, 03:17:27 PM
In this link, they show in the first picture, one of the length-adjustable rod ends.
http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/Alfa_147_GT_156_Gear_selector_plate_removal.shtml
I have similar on my 147, perhaps it was deleted for a bit? The genuine cable sets now sold, appear to have these adjustable heads on at least one end of one cable.
My cable ends looked the same (as the ones on the linked page) where they fitted over the balls, but quite different where the rod inserts. Adjustability is always a 'good thing', pity so many modern cars seem to have fewer and fewer adjustable parts...
Regards,
John.
Quote from: ugame on June 19, 2018, 03:42:30 PM
Thanks again guys.
Had a look again during lunch break to ensure I'm not being stupid/picky. We even took the boot off to see what moves where.
It's not "upright" when centred. It's leaning left.
The result truly is that to get 1st and 2nd gear, the lever is pushed to the extremities to the left within the housing.
To reach 5th or reverse, the lever sits "center", leaving plenty of room in the housing to the right for the shifter to move, if the cables allowed it (which they dont).
In that case I would suggest that one of two problems could cause this-
1/ The Gear stick side mount has come out of the plastic bush, thus pushing the gear stick over.
2/ There is a small bracket that clips on to both cables just forward of where they clip onto the gear stick, if this is not fitted onto both cables properly it will also cause a similar effect.
Take a look here to get an idea about both - http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/parts/147_Gear_lever.shtml (http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/parts/147_Gear_lever.shtml)
So given both the plastic assembly and cables were brand new, which is the more likely, and I assume they'd require the removal of the whole assembly to rectify?
There will always be at least some unwanted movement in the shifter (i.e. the lever and socket part of the mechanism), even a new one. This is mostly because the socket is made from relatively soft plasticl, which flexes slightly with the loads imparted by the force required to change gears, enough to be significant. It might not feel like much force is required to change gears, but keep in mind that the lever is quite long and there is a lot of leverage involved, so the socket sees a lot more force than is exerted by the driver on the end of the lever.
If the cable (the one that is moved by lateral throw of the lever) has an adjustment for length at one end, and if that adjustable end is the end that attaches to the gearbox, then I think you should be able to adjust the cable length without needing to fully remove anything. If so, then if you disconnect the cable end socket from the ball that it attaches to, then you should be able to make the adjustment. Maybe by rotating the cable end on the rod? (assuming I understand how this thing is likely to be designed, though I may not since I haven't actually seen these adjustable cables, only the non adjustable ones, so I'm guessing a bit...).
Regards,
John.
(Just watching my kitty "catch and kill" the curtain tieback ribbons. He's a thug but a cutie.)
The adjustment of this type cable end is usually via a slideable toothed inner and clipped in fixing "rack". You disengage the clip, slide the two pieces relative to one another (within limits) and press the fixing clip home.
Well the car is back at the workshop so I'll keep you posted.
It's not about "movement" but about the location being offset to the left.....on a lean in neutral and hence all gears way leftward of where you'd normally find them.
And I'm not talking a small amount as expanded on before. 1st is as far left as you could possibly imagine. Think about how some cars reverse is an EXTRA push to the left....that's where first is hiding now. Hence 5th is where you'd expect neutral to be.
So no....not "movement". It's nice and snug and no longer feels like I'm stirring porridge to find a gear :D
But yes...back at the shop today.
A worn shifter won't cause the lever to change position as you describe, only to make the shift action loose and sloppy. Assuming the cable sheath ferrules are correctly located in the shifter plate and gearbox mounts, the only reasonably likely thing that could cause the lever to be oriented as you describe is for one of the cables to be the wrong length (or for the shifter body to have broken and moved, but I think this is hugely unlikely). Another unlikely thing would be that the new shifter is in some way different to your old shifter, but I strongly doubt this.
I'd pay attention to what Citroënbender said re how the cable length is adjusted.
Regards,
John.
Workshop "fixed" it.
Said they had to "make a new hole in the shifter."
Now it sits a little to the right but much better than it was and livable.
1st and 2nd being the left most gears now have a little slop reintroduced.
Everything else is nice and tight.
No longer crunches reverse which is a bonus.
I'll leave it there. Sticking to the facts.
Quote from: ugame on June 20, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
Said they had to "make a new hole in the shifter."
Errrr, don't suppose you asked ??? WHY?
Quote from: bazzbazz on June 20, 2018, 07:32:37 PM
Quote from: ugame on June 20, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
Said they had to "make a new hole in the shifter."
Errrr, don't suppose you asked ??? WHY?
I left a little confused as to why.
These guys know these cars inside and out and always do great work. I wont hear a bad word said about them.
I'm not sure why this job didn't go by the book.
Helps with my decision re the 147s future once its served its job getting my boys through to P plates though.
I'm over it.
I feel a bit disappointed in the outcome, it's the sort of kerfuffle that drove me initially to acquire more tools, documentation and start doing my own work.
Quote from: Citroënbender on June 20, 2018, 10:17:00 PM
I feel a bit disappointed in the outcome, it's the sort of kerfuffle that drove me initially to acquire more tools, documentation and start doing my own work.
Yep I hear ya. I dont mind getting oil under my fingernails. Spent 3 hours the other week doing a 10 minute job on the GTV lol. I found it amusing and fun.
But on big jobs on the daily driver, I'm more than happy to spend good dollars on OEM parts, fitted by experts.
Toyota Camrys are looking nice these days. Or Honda Civic Hybrid. ::) :-X
Honda? The eighth gen Accord Euro was a cracking car on the road, it polished the efforts of substandard pilots nicely.
If you're going to turn Japanese, what about a grey import Century or newish Lexus?
A customer of mine bought a Priapis, loaded it up with TRD nonsense and then decided it was still unbearable, returning to his preference of Benz.
Quote from: Citroënbender on June 21, 2018, 10:58:18 AM
Honda? The eighth gen Accord Euro was a cracking car on the road, it polished the efforts of substandard pilots nicely.
If you're going to turn Japanese, what about a grey import Century or newish Lexus?
A customer of mine bought a Priapis, loaded it up with TRD nonsense and then decided it was still unbearable, returning to his preference of Benz.
This is possibly a topic of another thread so I may create one when the time comes.....but my rationalisation at this point is....
1) Car that will drain my wallet the most WILL be the Porsche when it inevitably needs attention (all cars do); thus
2) The daily cars need to be cost effective to run, and if hybrids, can even offset the porsche a little lol.
So in the coming months, I'll be looking to cull my fleet from 4 down to 3, and it possibly wont include either Alfa :(
Sell the beetle, and both Alfa's, and that leaves me room for a nice daily family car (near new used), and a cheap shitty banger, but one that doesn't require a new timing belt every 3 years.
I'll possibly semi Baja the beetle, have some fun with it, and then sell it as they go for more when they look rough and ready oddly lol.
I'll go into what cars im considering in a new thread when the time comes, as I always like bouncing ideas around. :)
Well having now had chance for myself, and both boys to drive the car significantly to judge, the net result of all this is, the car drives wonferfully.
A confusing method which I will be investigating further, but the result I was after in the end.
Reverse is now a breeze (this was becoming a real issue before) and the selection is precise and tight as you'd expect.
I'll add this too after my sentiments in posts above.....
I drove the GTV in today.....
My god these cars are going to be hard to let go of if that's what I ultimately decide to do.
Mate, I reckon you will instantly regret selling any of them. But that aside - keep the beetle. You know they are only going up in value.
Completely understand you (reluctantly) selling the Alfas to buy a reliable hands-off daily. In which case why not replace them with a near new Giulietta? From all accounts they aren't any more onerous to own than most modern cars. Though it will cost more than most things Japanese/Korean on annual maintenance no doubt.
Quote from: poohbah on June 22, 2018, 12:33:53 PM
Mate, I reckon you will instantly regret selling any of them. But that aside - keep the beetle. You know they are only going up in value.
Completely understand you (reluctantly) selling the Alfas to buy a reliable hands-off daily. In which case why not replace them with a near new Giulietta? From all accounts they aren't any more onerous to own than most modern cars. Though it will cost more than most things Japanese/Korean on annual maintenance no doubt.
You have no idea how tempted I am to "just keep one of them maybe?" lol
That wouldn't change outbound costs much. When one needs attention, the other is temporarily neglected. That's the issue in owning 2 really.
Sadly MY beetle isn't an "investment" really. The Superbeetle as they are known, was churned out in Mexico until 2003 (yes that's correct), very much unchanged.
So in that guiuse, they're everywhere. Good ones can be had from $5K to $10K and really wont creep up much.
The cheapest way to make some money off a ROUGH one is to do this:
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/31/0e/4a/310e4a863dcdf79340ff8a410f49d2d6.jpg)
Which isn't a bad thing at all :D
Re Giulietta, I like them...but....
I have a friend at work who purchased one from new.
He eventually sold it as he was fed up of sensor errors and electrical issues.
He now has a Mazda 3 which he LOVES and came with all the fruit including HUD.
Anyway....we'll see.
Quote from: ugame on June 22, 2018, 01:06:28 PM
The cheapest way to make some money off a ROUGH one is to do this:
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/31/0e/4a/310e4a863dcdf79340ff8a410f49d2d6.jpg)
Which isn't a bad thing at all :D
Do the SuperBugs lend themselves to this sort of cutting back as easily as earlier model Beetles do? I'd be sureprised because they aren't like 'real' Beetles because of their monocoque chassis, quite different to the 'platform' chassis of the old Beetles, which (I'm sure you know) was a major reason why they were easily turned into beach buggies, Purvis Eurekas, Kelmark GTs, and about a thousand other kinds of kit car and 'specials'. You could just take the body off the Beetle, and pretty much just drive off in the the rolling chassis (couldn't do that with Super Beetle).
Regards,
John.
Hi ugame
I have actually just changed one of those shifters myself recently, was a PITA to change but yeah certainly shouldn't be sitting on the left.
If you have a look through this thread you'll see me having a rant about a floppy gear change.
Whereabouts in Melbourne are you?
Quote from: johnl on June 22, 2018, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: ugame on June 22, 2018, 01:06:28 PM
The cheapest way to make some money off a ROUGH one is to do this:
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/31/0e/4a/310e4a863dcdf79340ff8a410f49d2d6.jpg)
Which isn't a bad thing at all :D
Do the SuperBugs lend themselves to this sort of cutting back as easily as earlier model Beetles do? I'd be sureprised because they aren't like 'real' Beetles because of their monocoque chassis, quite different to the 'platform' chassis of the old Beetles, which (I'm sure you know) was a major reason why they were easily turned into beach buggies, Purvis Eurekas, Kelmark GTs, and about a thousand other kinds of kit car and 'specials'. You could just take the body off the Beetle, and pretty much just drive off in the the rolling chassis (couldn't do that with Super Beetle).
Regards,
John.
You are 100% correct but they can be turned into a soft roader.
Crank up the rear torsion bar (of course there isn't one in the front, but that rides high anyway), throw on chopped guards/fenders, and add offroad tires, and you have the beginnings.
Quote from: Kay_147_GTA on June 22, 2018, 01:28:14 PM
Hi ugame
I have actually just changed one of those shifters myself recently, was a PITA to change but yeah certainly shouldn't be sitting on the left.
If you have a look through this thread you'll see me having a rant about a floppy gear change.
Whereabouts in Melbourne are you?
Im in perth.
A little late into this thread, but I call bullshit on your workshop leaving the shifter as they did. Glad your happy with there work, but they should have known better, fair dinkum. I've also just done the gear cable and housing on my 147 and its upright and just perrrrrfect, after years of swooning around that gear stick in a witches cauldron
As frenchy mentioned, there's the adjustment on the cable ends at the gearbox end. Can't remember if you need to lock the stick in place or not but definitely should not be hanging over to on side when out of gear and there's absolutely 'see how it settles', she'll be right anything with Alfa. Remember Italian designer vogue cars here beautifully frustrating design between demitasse'.
I'm sure its described in the workshop manual, I won't bring it up now since its back at the shop, but if you need it, let me know.
Edit: Oh snap, there was a second page. WTF they made a new HOLE? Are you sure about your mechanics ability here? I have no trade qualifications, just self taught experience and I'm fairly sure that I would never go making modifications to make a part work. Its either the wrong part or I'm doing something wrong. Don't read me wrong here ugame, if your happy then that's what counts, just that long term joy from that sort of professional standard is of concern. I'd hate for you to loose faith in this beautiful marque which has an undeserving reputation.
Quote from: ugame on June 22, 2018, 01:57:51 PM
You are 100% correct but they can be turned into a soft roader.
Crank up the rear torsion bar (of course there isn't one in the front, but that rides high anyway), throw on chopped guards/fenders, and add offroad tires, and you have the beginnings.
A 'soft' roader perhaps, but I suspect it would largely be about appearances because Mac Struts don't have nearly the off road capability as does the original Beetles' trailing arm front suspension, which is particularly good at soaking up severe bumps at speed due to the geometry of the suspension travel (i.e. the wheel moving backward as well as upward with bump motion).
Regards,
John.
Quote from: ugame on June 20, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
Said they had to "make a new hole in the shifter."
I'm at a loss as to where and in what part they could have made a "new hole in the shifter", and just how this fixed the issue. The cables don't attach with bolts in holes, but with fixed posts having a ball at the end (cable end fits over ball, obviously).
Assuming they meant that they drilled a new hole in order to relocate one of the ball posts, then where and how? At the shifter the ball post is fitted to a plastic lever (not a fan of the excessive use of plastic in these shifters...), and relocating the ball post to another position on this lever would be pretty much impossible. At the gearbox end the cable is attached to a metal lever, but there is no place on this lever to which the ball post could be relocated, unless an extension was welded to the side of the lever.
Whatever, from what you say whatever they did has done what was required (i.e. moved the lever to where it is supposed to be), so without knowing the exact nature of the issue they faced I won't criticize them for thinking laterally and actually fixing your problem (well done I say). It's just all a bit strange that stock parts resulted in the lever being in a non stock position in the first place...
Regards,
John.
It does sound drastic that they had to drill a new hole to get it to sit correctly.
But like Ugame, I use this workshop all the time (have for all 3 of my Alfas) and have never had any complaints about their work. They usually take me into the workshop (I was there yesterday) to show me whatever bits they have removed and where/what has failed, and shown me what they have done to fix or replace (as much as possible without having to dismantle anything).
If only for your own peace of mind (and our curiosity :) ) it maybe worth asking for a more detailed explanation next time you are in there if you have time.
Re Johnl
Yes again 100% correct on the beetle.
And yes I am equally confused as to what was drilled and where. I could feel my face going red and knew my jaw had dropped in disbelief so I left and I will go back for a fuller explanation.
Re Poohbah yep they do the same with me every time and first visit showed me my cracked assembly and the old buggered cables.
ON the return visit, as mentioned above, there was little explanation and I could feel things going south so felt it best to leave an come back in a calmer mood another day.
From here, I plan to have a look at the cables myself, see if they ARE adjustable, and then go back in for a friendly chat.
They were low on staff on the day (I did offer to come back another day), and I think pulling it apart and faffing and putting it back together again for free had taken its toll that day.
We're all human, and because they ARE such a great workshop, to me, the relationship is actually more important than the car.
Just for the curious and for reference, the side-to-side cable is the blue headed one, and that's closest to the left hand rear in the engine bay.
Quote from: Citroënbender on June 23, 2018, 09:18:23 PM
Just for the curious and for reference, the side-to-side cable is the blue headed one, and that's closest to the left hand rear in the engine bay.
Thanks mate that DOES help :)
Always nice to know what to look for.
Ok so see pic. You can clearly see both nice new cables (GB end) and from the post quoted above, the side/side is the blue cable end.
So (And I'm not touching it), how would one "adjust" this cable?
My intuition tells me that perhaps the yellow clip pulls off and allows the fitting to slide up and down? And then locked back into place?
Or is it something else?
Or can this type NOT be adjusted?
Searching the interwebs all I get is posts saying there is no adjustment, which would mean the workshop were right about that part.
one eg
https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-147-156-andamp-gt/197146-147-gear-change-problems.html
My original cable ends were much simpler than that one, without the rectangular yellow 'button' and the enlarged part of the housing surrounding it. Mine were not adjustable, and I can only speculate that the reason for your cable ends being more complex is to provide a length adjustment (why the extra complexity if the less complex design works, as long as adjustment is not considered necessary?).
I would expect that pressing the yellow button (or otherwise fiddling with it) is more than likely to 'release' the cable end from it's grip on the rod, and allow it to be moved. Having said that...
Regards,
John.
Quote from: ugame on June 24, 2018, 03:09:36 PM
Ok so see pic. You can clearly see both nice new cables (GB end) and from the post quoted above, the side/side is the blue cable end.
So (And I'm not touching it), how would one "adjust" this cable?
Yes that's the one mate. The 147 doesn't normally have an adjustment and I think this revision of cable is new. My 159 had a latching mechanism at the gearstick end. You unlock the GB end cable adjustment and then you lock the stick in its neutral spot. Then close the GB cable end adjustment to set the stick's upright position. I don't remember performing an adjustment on my 147, it seemed to be spot on when I changed the cables which match your photo. I'm guessing that, if you unlock that yellow clip to allow the GB cable end to slide in length. You then go back to your stick, set it at the right spot for yourself, then lock the adjustment clip in place.
One minor point though. The other cable is missing its counter weight? Your old cables would have had it and it needs to be removed and swapped over. Its 2 screws and 2 halves that encapsulate the other cable end. Its not terminal to the install. I believe its to give the stick some feel and remove some vibration maybe? (I stand to be corrected) I don't have it on mine due to the counter weight fouling on the sport shifter I have installed. No real side effects to speak of as yet...
And yes, do stay with your guy, if your happy with their work then that's what counts. I'd be careful about saying anything to them from what's been said here. If you do enquire, just make it come from you not a forum. Don't want you to ruin any good relations you have with them. After all we are almost all, arm chair mechanics posting on here, but we do have your (and our Alfa's) best interests at heart.
Never had to adjust it, but the system is pretty universal.
The red lock tab must be disengaged from the blue body where it pushes in by sliding back, then the yellow clip can be pulled/prised outwards, the cable length adjusted within its limits (it should be captive and just slide maybe 10-15mm) and the process reversed with due attention to the locking tab.
Thanks again and yes no way I'm going I with "but the forum says..."
The real purpose of the original post was to establish whether or not these cables stretch as suggested.
If they don't, and if the cables are not adjustable, that really does leave us with "why would the lever be sitting to the left?"
I posted earlier -
"There is a small bracket that clips on to both cables just forward of where they clip onto the gear stick, if this is not fitted onto both cables properly it will also cause a similar effect."
If this clip on bracket is not fitted it could be a possible cause, and it does not come with the new cables as far as i know.
Nominal date of the revised shift cables, is January 15th, 2004.
Bazz, yep noted. The only way I broached this was to ask if everything had been installed correctly through all the clips. Hard to ask the question direct without saying "but this guy on a forum said...."
Citreon, I think we posted at the same time. When I pop in next I'll ask that question.
I assume they know and perhaps what they meant was that it was adjusted as far as it can go.
I'll ask to see a new cable off the shelf so we can play with it at the counter.
I'll also ask to see a new shifter so he can show me "how" they "fixed" it.
That's all i can do really.
Quote from: ugame on June 24, 2018, 06:52:34 PM
Bazz, yep noted. The only way I broached this was to ask if everything had been installed correctly through all the clips. Hard to ask the question direct without saying "but this guy on a forum said...."
One of my clients who I get on very well with booked me in to fix his clutch pedal on his 156, when I arrived at the door his wife who is a ER Nurse cried out "The Mechanic's here."
I replied, "MECHANIC! My good woman I am a highly trained & qualified Alfa Romeo diagnostic & service specialist, if I am nothing more than a Mechanic you are nothing more than a bed pan cleaner!"
My good friend looked at me with a terrified look and just screamed "RUN!"
;)
I wouldn't sweat on it any further. If its fixed then happy days. As Bazz mentioned, it needs those locking tabs, if the cables are loose gear changes will be near impossible. I had one spring loose and disappear somewhere within the engine bay. Half a day of search, swearing and tearing things apart I finally found the little bastard.
The two issues I had over the years with my 147 gear stick was initially the gear lever housing was kaput and the lever swung around like a ladle in a big soup pot. New housing sorted that.
Next was 2nd and reverse gears wear slowly becoming harder to engage. Initially I thought gearbox was done for after finding metal swath in the outer casing (issue when 4th isnt able to be engaged} and visible damage to some teeth through the fill hole. Then 4th was playing up again, but no swathe. I then twigged and had a second assistant change gears while I looked at gearbox end and found the sheathing had come apart from the metal stop that locks onto gearbox. New cables and the TS was back in business. Prick of a job too without a hoist, the whole housing needs to come out from under the car and of course everything that's in the way.
Its steel cable that would break before stretching. The ancillary parts would fail IMO before the cable though. Pieces are crimped, plastics, plastic sheathing and ball joints etc, it has a life span. anyhow, trying to find some of my photos with no luck :( yet
The only reason I show any concern to this subject is that replacing the cables is a straight forward bolt on/bolt off procedure with no need of anything to be drilled or modified, the fact that they mention having to do so means there is something definitely wrong.
The only reason I can think of for anything like this to be done is if any of the parts ordered are the wrong ones, like 156 parts used instead of the slightly different 147 components. (The nylon mount on top of the tunnel is different in design, the 156 cables are slightly different ect)
But as I am just an armchair observer here I would rarely question the methods of someone there on the ground doing the job. My psychic skill levels just aren't quite there yet. ;)
Aren't there three different manual shitfers? GTA, 1.6/2.0 and JTD? Then sub-differences depending on variant of the gearknob (some threaded on, others pushed onto barbs).
I was only referring to differences for 2.0 cars and the 156/147
Quote from: bazzbazz on June 24, 2018, 07:13:56 PM
Quote from: ugame on June 24, 2018, 06:52:34 PM
Bazz, yep noted. The only way I broached this was to ask if everything had been installed correctly through all the clips. Hard to ask the question direct without saying "but this guy on a forum said...."
One of my clients who I get on very well with booked me in to fix his clutch pedal on his 156, when I arrived at the door his wife who is a ER Nurse cried out "The Mechanic's here."
I replied, "MECHANIC! My good woman I am a highly trained & qualified Alfa Romeo diagnostic & service specialist, if I am nothing more than a Mechanic you are nothing more than a bed pan cleaner!"
My good friend looked at me with a terrified look and just screamed "RUN!"
;)
See! It's almost impossible to not insult SOMEONE :D :P
Quote from: ugame on June 25, 2018, 11:58:47 AMSee! It's almost impossible to not insult SOMEONE :D :P
Others make an art of it...
QuoteNow, one day while in a hurry
He missed a lady's bin
He hadn't gone but a few yards
When she chased after him
"What game do you think you're playing"
She cried right from the heart
"You missed me, am I too late?"
"No, jump up on the cart!"