Anyone looking for a 147 GTA future classic?
What are your thoughts on them and how rare of a car are they in Australia.
They're certainly fun cars, but I don't think they'll become classics. They're too common for that and don't appeal to a wide enough audience. There will be people interested in them for sure, so well maintained models will hold their value, but I don't see them go up in price much.
Don't feel they're that rare here. I don't see them on the road often, but there's pretty much always a couple up for sale.
I love that Alfa just made it. Being a torque steering, FWD, overpowered little thing. Awesome that they made it, but I would never buy it.
Quote from: Alfa147gta on May 23, 2017, 12:33:31 PM
Anyone looking for a 147 GTA future classic?
What are your thoughts on them and how rare of a car are they in Australia.
I've owned one and it was good fun (albeit expensive to keep on the road). I would be very surprised if they become collectable. They certainly provide a lot of 'bang for your buck' but IMHO, they are not a ground breaking car with some stiff competition and are simply not worth restoring. Saying that, I laughed at the chap who bought my R100 Mazda 22 years ago when he said that he believed it would become very collectable one day [emoji86]
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Because you see a couple on carsales every so often, does that mean it isn't classified as a rare car? What do you classify as a rare car then? Also do you have facts to prove they aren't rare or are you talking generalities?
I'll go out on a limb and say the 147 GTA is an increasingly rare car, and potentially collectible - as much because their current value is limited (the magic of Alfa depreciation), meaning they are less likely to be looked after and/or restored. (Though personally I much prefer the 156 GTA, but that's a hatch vs sedan thing)
So a good one bought cheap today should eventually have its time in the sun - though it might take another 20 years. I'm still waiting for the value of my 81 GTV to appreciate enough to at least what I have sunk into it...
Great little car, symptomatic of what Alfa was like under Fiat ownership in its first period (ie the nineties and noughties ).
When you compare it (and the 156 GTA) to everything else they produced in this period,
They are quite literally, the only car worth owning.
So, from a standout perspective, they are it, and judging by the number of GTA engines showing up, I'd say that their ranks are thinning enough to make them a bit rarer.
If I had garage space, I'd get one and park it, but not at the expense of a real alfa classic, like a step nose Jr or SA 3.0 GTV6
Quote from: twistybits on June 14, 2017, 12:54:19 AM
I've owned one and it was good fun (albeit expensive to keep on the road). I would be very surprised if they become collectable. They certainly provide a lot of 'bang for your buck' but IMHO, they are not a ground breaking car with some stiff competition and are simply not worth restoring....[emoji86]
They certainly were not a leap in automotive advances. Their nose heavy, front steering setup was so over the top ridiculous for the bhp, they actually used 2.0 Twinsparks in the GTA Cup racing series (147GTA body). About the same bhp today in a Giulietta is much better to steer because of a lighter four pot and turbo (and electronic devices including factory fitted diff).
But in terms of restoring a 147/156 GTA, owning an Alfa is dependant on how deep your pockets are and as this UK father & son pair prove a 156 GTA resto is doable even through a third party restorer; http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/1022921-autolusso-156-gta-full-mechanical-rebuild.html (http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/1022921-autolusso-156-gta-full-mechanical-rebuild.html)
PS You need to be registered with AlfaOwner UK to see the pics but it is worth seeing the detailed work done...impressive.
I don't think you can even compare the Giulietta and the gta as they are different cars totally. The GTA has everything that makes alfa... Alfa. Different, unique, brave, classy, brutal. You just listen to the raw chrome ventricle v6 engine and then look st the electronic giulietta and they dont even compare if you are a true alfa enthusiast or motor head. The GTA is just something else still turning heads with its unique v8 like sound coming from a little hatchback. I dont think your pockets have to be deep at all, you just take care of it like any other car.
its such a great car, why should a 'good one' have to be cheap? Is a good house cheap? Is a good camera cheap? Is a good diamond cheap? I dont understand that logic. If its good then its fair that you pay wat the vehicle is worth, just like anything in life. Why should this be skimped on as if you're a scrooge at a flea market. If its good you appreciate it and you pay the going rate.
Quote from: Alfa147gta on July 13, 2017, 12:09:42 AM
The GTA has everything that makes alfa... Alfa. Different, unique, brave, classy, brutal. You just listen to the raw chrome ventricle v6 engine and then look st the electronic giulietta and they dont even compare if you are a true alfa enthusiast or motor head.
I disagree (its all opinions in any case)
Personally I think the GTA is the odd car out in the entire line up; it is ugly, heavy and in no way a great driver (handling) without work - it's inherently flawed.
If your memory, experience or knowledge can stretch back the full length of Alfa's history - the current "Everything that makes an Alfa" starts in the 50's (and was re-etched in stone with the Sud).
Quote from: Craig_m67 on July 13, 2017, 09:22:59 AM
Quote from: Alfa147gta on July 13, 2017, 12:09:42 AM
The GTA has everything that makes alfa... Alfa. Different, unique, brave, classy, brutal. You just listen to the raw chrome ventricle v6 engine and then look st the electronic giulietta and they dont even compare if you are a true alfa enthusiast or motor head.
I disagree (its all opinions in any case)
Personally I think the GTA is the odd car out in the entire line up; it is ugly, heavy and in no way a great driver (handling) without work - it's inherently flawed.
If your memory, experience or knowledge can stretch back the full length of Alfa's history - the current "Everything that makes an Alfa" starts in the 50's (and was re-etched in stone with the Sud).
Guys, it sounds like it is time to resurrect my old post. :o
When is an Alfa Romeo not an Alfa Romeo?
http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=11353.msg69701#msg69701
QuoteWhen is an Alfa Romeo not an Alfa Romeo?
Nooooooo!!!
Don't mention the war ... I've got a foot in both camps (pre and post Fiat platforms). ;D
Relax, this isn't about "the war'...it comes from a newb to the forum (5 posts) and clearly a newb to Alfa to suggest in 147/156GTA form quote "The GTA has everything that makes alfa... Alfa", which is of course complete nonsense.
For one thing the "A" in 147/156GTA certainly didn't stand for Alleggerito (Lightened), it stood for Aumentato (Increased) weight!
And that is historically Alfa Romeos signature trait, light, nimble, squeezed bhp from small capacity and innovative design e.g. Sud as Craig_m67 mentioned or many other Alfas before the bad idea, badly executed 147/156GTA came about.
PS Reminds me of a clown from a forum in oz that claimed similar things about 147GTA...but was surprised that "paper" was in an oil filter and that it could handle the heat...clearly another newb not only to Alfa but to the automotive world full stop.
PSS Go on about your day people there's nothing to see here...;)
Fair enough Alfamisa. You make some sensible points.
But ... I won't stand for anyone calling the 156 GTA "badly executed". :o
I reckon its still one of the best dollar for dollar value performance cars you can (almost) use as a daily driver if you don't want a V8 Falcodore or old Rexy/Evo. As far as I'm concerned, the only problem with them is there are usually none for sale in WA whenever I happen to be in the market...
Also I don't think there's any need to have a dig at "newbs" just 'cos they are new to Alfas. We're a broad church - I reckon we should embrace all folk who like Alfas of any type, regardless of their knowledge or mechanical nous.
I'm pretty sure most purists would hate my "perfect (but realistic - no supercars) ten car garage": I'd have 4 Alfas - a 156 GTA, a 75 V6 Potenziata, a 116 GTV6 and a Giulia QV - but no 105. That doesn't mean I'm dissing "true" or "classic" Alfas, its just that being in my late 40s I've got a thing for the late 70s-early '80s cars, and the style/comforts of their more recent V6-powered non-hatch successors. I've had 50s and 60s cars, and I prefer having a working heater.
The other cars in the garage would be just as "not perfect but interesting": Lancia Delta Integrale, Porsche 928S, FJ55 Landcruiser (the ugly one), Maserati 3200 GT (series 1 only), Jag XJ6 (Series 1), and a Valiant E39 Charger (burnt orange of course!). They aren't the greatest cars ever made, but I just like em.
So in summary - if someone likes the 147 GTA, I say they should just bloody get one. In 20 years, there will probably be hardly any others around, and they will be cool - if only as a big "FU" to econazi anti-petrol heads! ;D
Quote from: Alfa147gta on July 13, 2017, 12:09:42 AM
I don't think you can even compare the Giulietta and the gta as they are different cars totally. The GTA has everything that makes alfa... Alfa. Different, unique, brave, classy, brutal. You just listen to the raw chrome ventricle v6 engine and then look st the electronic giulietta and they dont even compare if you are a true alfa enthusiast or motor head. The GTA is just something else still turning heads with its unique v8 like sound coming from a little hatchback. I dont think your pockets have to be deep at all, you just take care of it like any other car.
its such a great car, why should a 'good one' have to be cheap? Is a good house cheap? Is a good camera cheap? Is a good diamond cheap? I dont understand that logic. If its good then its fair that you pay wat the vehicle is worth, just like anything in life. Why should this be skimped on as if you're a scrooge at a flea market. If its good you appreciate it and you pay the going rate.
Bravo Alfa147gta,
beautifully conveyed!
The first time I drove one was when I was handed the keys to a gunmetal coloured demo from Patrick Latin in Richmond July 2005.He said "see you tomorrow". I was a convert after the first 5 kilometres. Unfortunately for him it didn't convert to a sale as my partner successfully argued its limitations as a family car with two young kids!
Great feel, one of the last of the great sticks , and yes V8 orchestral notes coming from a hatchback!
alfamisa - I didn't know the amount of posts makes you more of an enthusiast. Should we start bowing to you and calling you Alan Jones now or something because you have more posts than another member? I've been a mechanic for 20 years buddy and know a shit hell lot more about cars than you do, so don't go assuming with your little forum reputation. Question, have you ever owned the 147 GTA? It sure sounds like you and Craig_m67 have to be able to provide such information and hold such strong opinions of the car. Hmmmmmm, I'm guessing it's all assumptions again??? I've owned many cars in my time and to this day, the 147 gta still turns heads driving down the street. IT IS WHAT MAKES ALFA ALFA, because it's different, NOT THE NORM, it's bold with it's roar, beautiful lines and interior, chrome ventricles. What are you even talking about?! Those are some of the things why people choose Alfa over a stock plastic jap car or a typical boring german car. Alfas are just different. I was never talking about it's heavy nose or its diff. You're comparing an electric assisted giulietta which in a few years will be updated with a different newer better model to a GTA. The giulietta will be forgot mate, that's just the world we live in. The GTA won't be forgotten with it's raw high powered V6 and iconic sound. Like a lot of enthusiasts say just because it has faults doesn't mean it's a bad car, it may have those faults to it, but that's what can make it great as it's called human element and a drivers car, something you don't get with a lot of modern day cars. Something you need to work on and you appreciate more than an electric fart. The smile it puts on your face when you put the foot down with no electronic assists and you hear that roar of the V6, while you don't even know the Giulietta exists lol.
Well, what makes a classic . . . . just remember, some of the worlds most god awful cars are now considered classics.
Those who have met me have heard my unique description of the driving experience of a well set up 147GTA -
"More fun than a barrel of drunk monkeys with a hand grenade with the pin pulled thrown in!!"
Take one for a spin up a tight twisty lush green mountain early in the morning . . . like in the hinterland of the sunshine coast, if your not smiling like an idiot at the end of the day you've obviously dead for a week. ;)
I love Clarksons Top Gear review of the little beasty . . . you won't know wether to laugh or cry! ;D
Bazil
Still waiting on a reply from alfamisa and Craig_m67..... put your "reputation" where you mouth is ;D
Never owned a GTA (drove past one for sale at side of road yesterday) but I certainly know the Saab 9-3 Viggen -- a 172kW FWD car that in some ways was the GTA's unrecognised competitor. Admittedly heavier, less powerful, slower ... and seriously flawed. Saab no longer being around might work for or against collectability.
There are still plenty of FWD turbo hatches available. Not so many V6s. A nice GTA will be worth having, just don't expect it to be worth $$$s.
I actually just bought a 147GTA a couple of weeks ago and at the moment is getting the overhaul at the mechanic. I bought it as a daily with a bit of zing. I have started to see this car start to be grow in value to a few years ago. Most definite for one that has been well maintained and low Kms. For me it was about the v6 3.2lt. With emissions as they are now you won't find a batch with this type of engine ever again. The sound of this engine and torque curve will be one to muster over for years to come. I had my eye on one for a while, though couldn't find one with low k's, which in the end I found one with 66000km though the owner had neglected the car cutting corners on servicing, which I am rectifying now.
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What year is it? that's super low kms
Quote from: Alfa147gta on November 30, 2017, 04:05:58 PM
What year is it? that's super low kms
2004 with Q2 diff and upgraded 330mm brakes
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Quote from: Alfa147gta on September 21, 2017, 09:48:39 AM
Still waiting on a reply from alfamisa and Craig_m67..... put your "reputation" where you mouth is ;D
I'm not sure I know what the fuck that even means.
My opinion has been provided
Quote from: Alfa147gta on May 23, 2017, 12:33:31 PM
Anyone looking for a 147 GTA future classic?
What are your thoughts on them and how rare of a car are they in Australia.
Just reminding you of your original post, you clearly asked for peoples opinions, then you've gotten a little aggressive towards other members when you didn't like the opinions given, which once again I want to remind you, that you specifically asked for.
If you think the car will be a future classic, go and buy one and put it away as an investment. Simple.
I know of a very good one for sale at the moment that will be under $10k. PM me if you want the owners contact.
"Something is only worth as much as someone else is willing to pay for it."
This saying couldn't be more true when you look at what 105 1750 Series 2's are going for these days.
Mick.
Based on the reported number of 147 GTA's manufactured at just over 4,000 that would qualify them as a "rare car"
In RHD the numbers would be even less, I believe that there were 400 sold in the UK during their production run so presumably there would have been less in Australia plus of course some sold in New Zealand, South Africa , Malaysia and Singapore.
As Baz says a properly set up GTA is definately an exciting and joyful car to drive.
Wantok
This is a great discussion . I am now unfortunately over the 50s mark . I have owned Many Alfa's. Alfasud, 2x 105s , 2 x Gtv. 1 berlina. and Fiats. 128. X19. 124 sports and sedans. Three race cars 131 124. 128. X19. I have my 156 GTA for sale at the moment and I can honestly say until you have driven one you can't understand how good these cars are. I have an immaculate Gtv 116 in my shed at the moment looking after for a friend, I have been driving it and it just doesn't do it for me compared to my GTA. As I said I have had many Alfa's and Fiats in my lifetime but I swear to god this is the best car I have ever had. I call it the beast , the reason for that is the torque. Trundle along at 60 km put your foot in at it goes. Bloody awesome car. When I first bought it I gave it to it on the on ramp to the highway I looked at the speedo in third doing 140km with 3 gears to go and thought Shit that is my licence. Anyway rambling now . These are just awesome cars and until you have driven one you won't understand. Cheers. .
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Quote from: wantok on December 01, 2017, 07:57:07 AM
As Baz says a properly set up GTA is definately an exciting and joyful car to drive.
So if you have one . . . .when do I get a go? ;)
Quote from: bazzbazz on December 02, 2017, 12:43:04 AM
Quote from: wantok on December 01, 2017, 07:57:07 AM
As Baz says a properly set up GTA is definately an exciting and joyful car to drive.
So if you have one . . . .when do I get a go? ;)
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Bazz. You. Know. You. Have. Had. A. Gooo
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I meant if Wantok had one.
Quote from: bazzbazz on December 02, 2017, 12:43:04 AM
Quote from: wantok on December 01, 2017, 07:57:07 AM
As Baz says a properly set up GTA is definately an exciting and joyful car to drive.
So if you have one . . . .when do I get a go? ;)
IF it ever comes up for sale you can have first dibs Baz :)
Perfectly described
https://youtu.be/N0P54S8ESys