Good looking shape, kind of like the Porker Macan.
Would be interesting to see its credentials.
To be revealed in LA Auto show in Nov.
Would you buy one?
Would I buy one..............no. I'm allergic to SUV's and the way they are "driven"!
However I'd have a look at one. I hope they are profitable for Alfa. The more money they make on an SUV the more money they can invest in real cars.
+1...!!
My wife wants to get a SUV to replace our Giulietta. I'm trying to make her wait till the Stelvio arrives :-)
Not a dog carrier for sure
But then the missus says if I have to buy another Alfa, it can be the Stelvio SUV.
Not an SUV person myself but only for that I'm not in the market for the Stelvio. Otherwise I can't see any reason not to look at buying one.
I'd probably be more inclined for this when it's out...Giulia QV Sportswagon;
FYI Stelvio SUV it's coming off the production line in Cassino, province of Frosinone...home of Giulietta, Giulia and now Stelvio;
Ok update, here's an engineer at the plant explaining the impressive processes and harmony that are followed in the plant...I know you can't all understand Italian...but you can read and understand "Acqua", "Benzina", "Olio" on your gauges, no? Allora?
So just listen to his voice, watch the footage and understand...we make Alfa Romeos, they're Italian, from Italy...
Ciao e forza alifisti !!!
https://www.facebook.com/Quattroruote/videos/10155176717801258/
:)
Quote from: alfamisa on September 13, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
I know you can't all understand Italian...but you can read and understand "Acqua", "Benzina", "Olio" on your gauges, no? Allora?
And "Turbo" too! ;D
As it happens I always have 'Lingua' set to 'Italiano'. Worked out that "Sconosciuto" on the audio display is not Emma Marrone's backing band...
Interesting interview with new head of Alfa and Maserati. Two interesting statements: Stelvio to be world's fastest SUV round Nurburgring, and Alfa and Maserati will never be built outside Italy "on my watch".
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/maserati/car-interviews-reid-bigland-the-new-boss-of-maserati-and-alfa-romeo-2016/ (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/maserati/car-interviews-reid-bigland-the-new-boss-of-maserati-and-alfa-romeo-2016/)
Quote from: poohbah on October 05, 2016, 08:36:34 PM
... world's fastest SUV round Nurburgring
Answering the question that nobody asked...
Memo to Alfa: stop the lazy marketing of re-rendering your saloon cars as jacked up SUVs and start producing sports coupes and spiders differentiated by "passione".
Haha - spot on. Though I think Porsche has made the claim for the Macan.
Quote from: poohbah on October 07, 2016, 11:50:32 AM
Haha - spot on. Though I think Porsche has made the claim for the Macan.
Yes -- and I'm getting a Macan.
Why? I don't covet the key fob but I can't afford a rear-engined Porsche (like most people). It's best in class and the category killer. And it doesn't drive like an SUV.
Alfa taking on the Macan when it could produce sports-oriented cars (it's speciality and heritage) like a new GT / Brera / Spider without completion from Porsche is beyond me!
The latest spy pics, including some interior shots. Nothing really too exciting, but I'm with Colin on this - I have zero interest in the Stelvio itself, but I hope Alfa sells them by the boatload. That will only be good for more decent road cars.
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/10/11/alfa-romeo-stelvio-spy-shots/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2016/10/11/alfa-romeo-stelvio-spy-shots/)
As some of you will know, it's been revealed...
It looks exciting, sounds exciting and contrary to my earlier comment, I'd buy one! (i.e. there won't be a sportswagon Giulia, so SUV it is).
Well done Alfa Romeo ;)
503bhp 2.9-litre V6 twin-turbo
My wife will have one.
New tow car.
I don't get SUVs personally. They are not one thing or the other. Most are just slightly jacked up and bloated sedans with little more room in them and no off road ability. Why do women seem to be so fond of them? That being said, the Stelvio looks like it might be attractive, unlike almost all of the others with the exception of the Evoque. I wonder what sort of towing ability it will have.
I doubt it'll have much towing capacity. Better to stick with the Disco Neil.
Quote from: oz3litre on November 20, 2016, 11:34:53 PM
Why do women seem to be so fond of them?
Visibility. Try driving a sports car or even a sedan in the land of F-150's and RAM pickups.
That's the reason my wife prefers them.
We always had wagons as the family hauler til about 10 years ago when we bought our first 4WD. Missus won't consider anything else now - she likes the visibility and sense of safety from a higher ride. Her only criticism of our Subaru is that it isn't as tall as the big 4WDs. But since we (me, wife, 2 kids) walked away almost unscathed from a T-boning by a red-light runner in the Forester, which rolled us and wrote off the car, she knows its as tough as they come. So we bought another one.
Quel lavoratore che parla sul video e Napoletano , gli stessi che anno costruito la Alfa sud a Pomigliano D'Arco.
A far cry from the glory day's of Arese.
All the stelvio is , a sports Jeep in disguise.
If i want a 4x4 Alfa i prefer the 33 FWD sportswagon with a real alfa motor, 1.5 twin carburatore.
more Sad news that the Giulia in oz only avail in auto, not very Alfa..
Methinks the Stelvio is a high COG version of the Giulia QV.
Quote from: Colin Edwards on November 21, 2016, 08:32:52 PM
Methinks the Stelvio is a high COG version of the Giulia QV.
Correct, built on the Giulia platform. Nothing to do with Jeep according to FCA.
Quote from: aggie57 on November 22, 2016, 06:25:58 AM
Quote from: Colin Edwards on November 21, 2016, 08:32:52 PM
Methinks the Stelvio is a high COG version of the Giulia QV.
Correct, built on the Giulia platform. Nothing to do with Jeep according to FCA.
Correct, according to "fact".
Whilst on "fact" as opposed to more myths, Stelvio (as with Giulia and Giulietta) is built in Cassino, Frosinone in Lazio. Nothing to do with Pomigliano d'Arco.
Furthermore, there are an infinite number of opinions as to what is or isn't "very Alfa", one thing is for sure this is 2016 not 1916 nor 1986...todays 8sp auto is quicker than the manual in every way, including fastest lap at the "ring".
Per me questo รจ sufficiente e basta.
Very torn at the moment between Ghibli and Levante.
I really don't like SUVs and what they stand for, but Levante has a nicer interior in some respects, the 20 inch wheel option is more sensible than the 21s I'd get for the Ghibli, and it can carry a dog! Pity there's no petrol engine available in RHD but I'll live with that.
The thing is that Maserati also offers two sedans, a coupe and a cabrio - as opposed to a sedan and two hatchbacks in the Alfa dealers. First reinforce longstanding brand values with coupes and cabrios, then extend the range into SUVs...
Io lo so dove' Frosinone, sono laziale , o vissuto tutta la mia vita a Ostia ,sul mare vicino fiumicino.
Sogno nei vecchi tempi quando le macchine erano proprio umani , no come mostri adesso.
Quel nuovo Suv solo aiuta alle mamme ricche prendere i bambini da scuola , sto suv sono piu pulite delle macchine sportive.
Viva L'Italia
Bravo lombardi. Auguro vivamente Viva l'Italia, quindi dobbiamo votare "Si" :)
PS
Quote from: kaleuclint on November 23, 2016, 01:26:01 PM
The thing is that Maserati also offers two sedans, a coupe and a cabrio - as opposed to a sedan and two hatchbacks in the Alfa dealers. First reinforce longstanding brand values with coupes and cabrios, then extend the range into SUVs...
You obviously didn't get the memo...4C & 4C spider. ;) What did I say fact instead of myth...
But as you're from ausalfa, two things are clear a) you're a newb to Alfa and b) you don't have any idea what you're saying.
Vote "Si"
Quote from: alfamisa on November 24, 2016, 04:17:40 PM
You obviously didn't get the memo...4C & 4C spider. ;) What did I say fact instead of myth...
Alfa heritage isn't in mid-engined sports cars really (myth), so no brand values being reinforced there. 4C is a low volume 'halo' model powered by an engine going out of production, designed to gather attention to the brand. Problem being there's nothing to bring attention to apart from the legacy Giulietta and Mito ranges. That's a fact.
Also there hasn't been a 4C in my local Alfa showroom for months. And the sedan (Giulia) isn't there either. Maybe if the effort that went into the 4C had been directed towards getting the Giulia into production earlier then my dealer might have something to sell in volume and attracting far more new owners to Alfa?
Mio Figlio a votato no e io si , Boh , Ma lui non guida un Alfa ,lui a una bi eme vuu, devo cacciare da casa
Quote from: kaleuclint on December 02, 2016, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: alfamisa on November 24, 2016, 04:17:40 PM
You obviously didn't get the memo...4C & 4C spider. ;) What did I say fact instead of myth...
Alfa heritage isn't in mid-engined sports cars really (myth), so no brand values being reinforced there. 4C is a low volume 'halo' model ...
Surely the second sentence contradicts the first. Based on the second the 4C is in line with Alfa's heritage of low volume halo mid-engined sports cars? Ok, its not a stradale based on a race model. But that is the image/heritage connection - and you can see it....
I can't see it because there is no heritage of mid-engined Alfas... So the 4C gains attention as was the intention but it doesn't carry through to the Giulia, which is not a mid-engined sports car and has little in common with the 4C.
Returning to topic, another issue is that Alfa doesn't have a heritage of making SUVs either. As for taking on the Macan, well - the Macan is purpose designed and
not a sedan pumped up to be an SUV. That's why it rules.
The Giulia however captures the heritage perfectly. Now just needs to be extended into a coupe / spider / 2+2. Which should happen, and could have happened already with a focus on what Alfa does best.
Quote from: kaleuclint on December 02, 2016, 09:51:43 PM
I can't see it because there is no heritage of mid-engined Alfas... So the 4C gains attention as was the intention but it doesn't carry through to the Giulia, which is not a mid-engined sports car and has little in common with the 4C.
Sorry. Got to call foul on that one. Your thesis seems to be about what is or is not compatible with the brand or a halo car etc. You and I don't need to agree on our favorites but Alfa Romeo have built a lot of vehicles and configurations of them. The example *you* chose to make a point using is a clear tribute to an Alfa Romeo I have always lusted after and I don't seem alone (dealers' walls were plastered in pictures of it before there was any inkling of the 4C). The Tipo 33 Stradale, a mid-engine lightweight low volume "halo" car that I not only have no hope of ever owning, but I have no hope of even getting into if I stole one (I'm 6'4"). I do fit in a 4C... I'm sure Alfa made some concessions to making a marketable "halo" model when they made it relatively (a) affordable (using an engine out of a volume production car) and (b) possible for potential customers to actually get into (fitting their sandwiches in as well remains a problem, although at least they get toasted).
You also suggest a particular direction to go in from the Giulia sedan. Alfa has history of everything from stripped down race cars to luxury cars with varying degrees of practicality - the road going "luxury SUV" is a ridiculous label for a less low slung, more comfort and space oriented vehicle than road cars had been converging on. The marketing people needed a label, fast, when people wanted not a Camry and not a Hilux, and certainly not a Tarago.
But back to Alfa. Touring would have been happy to build a "SUV" (they would have considered it a limousine) for you on your 6C chassis.... Or build a low slung thing with a back seat, or yes, build something on a SWB chassis with no back seat and no roof.
But of course there is only so far you can stretch a platform. I think Alfa have managed to pick a good middle ground to start from with the Giulia. Lets see where they can take it and what else they come up with, but there is no denying where the volume is, so that's where they have gone first, and need to prove themselves. I'm not sure what exactly the road going SUV needs from its platform that the Stelvios doesn't have? What is the Macan's magic ingredient? And Porsche's SUV heritage is considerably more lacking than Alfas. On the other hand, if Alfa *had* made a sports car on the platform, would you have informed us how it was doomed because Porsche builds proper sports cars not based on sedan platforms and Alfa needs to try harder? Fair point actually - but isn't that what the prancing horse brand is for (barring the light-weight, small engine capacity approach - hmm - I present - again - exhibit 4C)? But maybe that should have been an Abarth ;)
I think we're diverging a bit here Darryl.
If the 4C echoes the superb Tipo 33 then that's fine by me. And I'm sure the 4C in its own right is a highly desirable Alfa. I'd love one.
But do I even as an Alfa owner -- or does the majority of the wider car buying public associate the Tipo 33 with the 4C? Hardly, I'd suggest.
Do they regard mid-engined layout as a key characteristic of Alfas? The 18 examples (is that correct?) of the iconic Tipo 33 Stradale -- fine car that it is -- haven't defined any mass production Alfa model since. Just as the hero car Ford GT40 produced in far greater numbers didn't position Ford as a maker of mid-engined cars in the minds of the purchasers given all those Fiestas, Escorts,Cortinas, Capris, Mustangs and Crown Victorias that people associate with the blue oval ahead of any homologation special.
I am not denying Alfa has made a mid-engined road car previously. What I am saying is the that great majority of prospective Alfa purchasers (of the Giulia) have no idea what the Tipo 33 Stradale is, don't connect the Tipo 33 with the 4C, and probably won't even connect the 4C with the Giulia. And that's the issue. The purpose of the 4C was to build attention, recognition and brand equity in the U.S. market ahead of the Giulia, a model with which it shares little. Layout -- no. Drivetrain -- no. So disregarding the desirability of the 4C itself, did it achieve its intended objective? Would FCA have been better served getting the Giulia into production and gaining attention as a maker of front-engined C-segment cars?
Getting back to the original thread... What is the Macan's magic ingredient?
It's a Porsche with the return on brand equity that implies. Well built. It's close to entry level in the Porsche range. It's designed to be an 'SUV' from the get-go, rather than being an extension of a car design. It builds upon the market success of the ubiquitous in my neighbourhood Cayenne (there are no Mattas around here). It's consistently rated best in class with the possible exception of the much, much lower volume Range Rover Sport SVR rarely seen around here. Beyond that, the Macan has propelled Porsche to record profitability. Its production is limited to preserve brand equity (and drive up demand no doubt).
So -- is taking on such a vehicle a smart move as the first extension of the Giulia platform?? I respectfully suggest "no". The 'nuova Brera / nuova Spider / nuova GT' if you will wouldn't be competing with Porsche. Granted they would be competing with BMW; still a massive challenge. But they would do so with the credibility, recognition and heritage of building desirable, affordable, characterful (dare I say front-engined?) cars that Alfa possesses.
I agree that the 'SUV' segment (particularly in North America) is where the demand is. Whether you choose to attempt to meet that demand in the most competitive segment is the question. Maybe creating your own niche or occupying the segment you are best associated with makes more sense? For all that, Bentley, Jaguar and even Rolls-Royce are moving into 'SUV's, but their offerings sit in a greatly different place relative to the rest of their respective product line ups.
Referring back to my previous post, here's something else to consider: Rolls-Royce offers more models in Australia than my local Alfa dealer (including the 4C if you like).
Having taken the Stelvio route let's hope it's a success for Alfa.
Quote from: kaleuclint on December 04, 2016, 12:18:06 PM
I think we're diverging a bit here Darryl.
If the 4C echoes the superb Tipo 33 then that's fine by me. And I'm sure the 4C in its own right is a highly desirable Alfa. I'd love one.
... massive snip ...
Having taken the Stelvio route let's hope it's a success for Alfa.
Diverging on actual product. Not on image to sell it...
Sure, people don't know about the 33 Stradale. But they have seen pictures. And video. And... It looks cool and stylish and shows "heritage" and the 4C connects very directly with it. There is a serious effort to create a brand image, a language, etc of desirability based on some sort of heritage. In that way its just like flogging expensive watches... I think FCA are very conscious of positioning Alfa as way outside the mainstream (image) but if the image appeals you can buy something that reflects it (like an SUV). This avoids just being seen to be offering a re-hash/copy (so less desirable) of a BMW that already has a more established image. Write off the 4C as a tool to establish that image, not as a product to sell.... At least it isn't as expensive as building Veyrons... Alfa, lets be honest, has no recent credibility as an actual car maker in the segmetns FCA wants to place it in - it is trading on the image.
The luxury performance crossover SUV segment is not populated by many established players or products - good on Porsche for claiming it early. I think the Stelvio's engineering may well be up to the task, not despite but because of being based on a decent handling and, by all reports, decent riding, car... I think it's likely to turn out to be ahead of most of the competition. Better than the Macan? No idea - lets say not.
I don't think Alfa want to make a few of this, and a few of that (who would, it's too expensive). They have picked some very specific market segments that they think they can be successful in based on a manufactured image that steers clear of the more recent baggage associated with the brand. It's an interesting move going for SUV over going head to head in road car variants. But either way the objective would be to build credibility in a carefully chosen battle or 2 before (assuming they don't get completely routed) going to war with the Germans.
It will be interesting.