http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/04/05/ferrari-bail-out-sauber-to-pave-way-for-alfa-romeo-return/
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Good bring it on asap.
PS Of the 7K votes cast so far 89% say good for the sport. I'm one of them.
So by saying that Alfa Romeo to join F1, what is actually being said is that the Alfa Romeo name will be attched to a team that uses Ferrari engines???
"Italian media reported that during the Red Bull versus Renault crisis last year, there were discussions regarding Red Bull or Toro Rosso using Alfa Romeo badged Ferrari engines, but Red Bull stuck with Renault power (now branded as TAG-Heuer) while Toro Rosso opted for year old Ferrari power units."
Sounds a lot more like marketing rehtoric rather than actual involvement.
Pretty sure that what ever exists of Alfa Romeo, they don't actually have the resources to go and build their own F1 engine/powertrain, let alone a complete car.
It should read, 'Alfa Romeo badges to be stuck on customer Ferrari Motor'.
The works Ferrari motor is the 2nd best Formula 1 engine.
The customer Ferrari motor is most likely on par with a Renault Motor.
If the Ferrari customer motor is last years, then it will be battling with the Honda motors for 10th place.
Then it will be used as a marketing exercise and money given to bankrupt Swiss team who can't afford to pay mechanics wages, and their chief engineer has left for another team that will give him his paycheck every week.
They have not much sponsorship and need 2 pay drivers.
The cars are built in Switzerland, which is the most expensive country in the world to manufacture anything.
Sauber made great endurance sportscars with Mercedes engines.
Then they entered formula 1 and were mid pack.
They had a good year and when there was money about in the mid 2,000's, Peter Sauber's masterstroke was to sell the team to BMW for a lot of money.
Superstar formula 1 driver Robert Kubica made the team look good.
Kubica mangled his hand in a rallycar in the off season and couldn't drive a Formula 1 car again.
The financial crisis hit and BMW feeling the chill winds of reccession practically gave the team back to Peter Sauber.
They have struggled ever since.
Team manager Monisha Kattenborn was not at last race due to a crisis at the factory, most likely the Ballifs turned up and changed the locks at the factory.
And this is a good idea because???, Colin.
And this is a good idea because???, Colin.
Because they can! 8)
If Alfa Romeo aren't actually providing any legitimate technical involement, how are they actually involved as anything other than a sponsor?
McLaren are IN F1.
Ferrari are IN F1.
Renault are IN F1.
BMW (I think BMW are) and Mercedes Benz are IN F1.
Alfa Romeo won't be IN F1, it's just avertising.
Go you good thing!!! (idea and all)
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;D
Quote from: Duk on April 08, 2016, 02:40:29 PM
If Alfa Romeo aren't actually providing any legitimate technical involement, how are they actually involved as anything other than a sponsor?
McLaren are IN F1.
Ferrari are IN F1.
Renault are IN F1.
BMW (I think BMW are) and Mercedes Benz are IN F1.
Alfa Romeo won't be IN F1, it's just avertising.
... like Infiniti branding/advertising on the Red Bulls, just getting a bit of the F1 glow.
Love the Quadrofoglio verde F1 ,,, Beside's the subject of Alfa n F1 , on another level , Alex Wurz and the driver's fed. are in a sort of revolt against the way F1 is being run , ie , new rules, ridiculous new quali and reduced pit to cockpit radio plus next years supposed reduced downforce rules , who knows where f1 is going to end up , but funnily enough last weekend in Bahrain the fastest ever lap was recorded by Hamilton in Quali ,despite Engines being half the size they were previously , the Engineer's seem to alway's find a way around the rules ..
At the Melbourne Grand Prix, there was a story about Aston Martin being back in Formula 1 after a 55 year absence, it turned out that they are a partner [nee sponsor] for the Red Bull team, you would be hard pressed to see the stickers, John Wyer must be spinning in his grave.
The Red Bull team has a customer Renault motor that has been tagged TAG engine, for sponsorship purposes.
Alfa Romeo entered and withdrew from Formula1 in the olden days, when they had some cash floating around, they would go into Grand Prix racing, then they would develop a new road car, they would withdraw and put the money into developing that type of car.
With Alfa Romeo only having one model that is selling in any volume, they [Fiat] should put the money into a new range of road cars, so they aren't a one trick Pony.
If they feel the desire to race again, there is a good Touring car series in the United Kingdom, that they might have a chance, Colin.
Quote from: lombardi on April 08, 2016, 08:43:06 PM
Love the Quadrofoglio verde F1 ,,, Beside's the subject of Alfa n F1 , on another level , Alex Wurz and the driver's fed. are in a sort of revolt against the way F1 is being run , ie , new rules, ridiculous new quali and reduced pit to cockpit radio plus next years supposed reduced downforce rules , who knows where f1 is going to end up , but funnily enough last weekend in Bahrain the fastest ever lap was recorded by Hamilton in Quali ,despite Engines being half the size they were previously , the Engineer's seem to alway's find a way around the rules ..
Rest at ease that "new quali" rubbish is "out of here" from China GP...sometimes I think they are dreamed up by some x factor, masterchef etc TV ratings guru...well fail on that stupid idea.
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Alfisiti- u just know why!
...Alfisti are already returning that way...racing, any model, type...F1 next ;)
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Sauber Formula 1 team has been purchased by Swiss based company, Longbow Finance in SA, in a deal that will see founder Peter Sauber retire from his role as President of the board of Directors.
Hope it goes better than when that Finance mob purchased Renault/Lotus and turned a front running team into cellar dwellers.
No word on what supply of motors, sorry power units in the future, Colin.
In the above photo there are the two lower exhaust pipes, can anyone explain what the third smaller pipe is for?
And that is ne AWSOME rear wing :o
Baz
could be a turbo blow off vent
only guessing
rotary engines used to run them as well
Quote from: bazzbazz on July 21, 2016, 09:02:49 PM
In the above photo there are the two lower exhaust pipes, can anyone explain what the third smaller pipe is for?
And that is ne AWSOME rear wing :o
Baz
More than likely it the pipe from an external wastegate. The Ferrari F40 had the same thing, that's why they have 3 exhaust pipes, with the central 1 being smaller than the 2 main pipes.
Yes it is the exhaust side wastegate...the rear engine cars have the separate exhaust "extra pipe" pipe as the distance is too short to be run into the main pipe(s) like on front engine turbo cars. This separate piping is done in racing applications and not typical of a road car.
Here is an extreme version but shows why it's necessary due to short length.
Below it pic 2 shows the wastegate pipe being integrated on a longer exhaust pipe.
The third shows this "extra pipe" in F1 application.
PS The pic I posted earlier isn't a 4C as you know it, it is quite an extreme body over a lengthened chassis with Alfa 1750cc 8200rpm & 600bhp and mounted north/south.
PSS In this case the exhaust on the left is normal exhaust, the right one is heat evacuator from the exhaust collector on left of the motor. But still the small top exhaust is the wastegate exhaust.
Quote from: alfamisa on August 05, 2016, 01:05:27 PM
Yes it is the exhaust side wastegate...the rear engine cars................
MID engine.
Almost looks like they've cut and shut a Formula 3 car and an Alfa 4C together to make that.
Quote from: Domenic on August 05, 2016, 05:16:41 PM
Almost looks like they've cut and shut a Formula 3 car and an Alfa 4C together to make that.
Yes Domenic a bit, it reminds me of this beast from the past...
https://www.facebook.com/rosario.correale.5/videos/556717871034310/ (https://www.facebook.com/rosario.correale.5/videos/556717871034310/)
PS That's first V10 F1 motor made...Alfa Romeo, innovation, power and beauty...
Perfect for the next Club Sprint. :)
Quote from: Garibaldi on August 06, 2016, 01:23:59 PM
Perfect for the next Club Sprint. :)
True Garbaldi (BTW thanks for freeing Sicily) and if you didn't understand the start of the video that showed them pointing to the 155 DTM well he, Marco Gramenzi is also the owner of that beast! FYI those that don't know, it remains to this day the only non German manufacturer to win the title ever. Remember that.
This man, Marco Gramenzi, has had built that 4C as a one off...
The 155 at the start is also his and here is a video of his 1996 Alfa Romeo 155 DTM, also hosted by Emiliano Perucca (as in the 4C video)...even if you don't understand Italian watch and see, listen and understand what is welded in Italians that follow Alfa Romeo. Buona notte e mantenere la fede :)
https://www.facebook.com/alfaromeoproject950/videos/1589886794642923/ (https://www.facebook.com/alfaromeoproject950/videos/1589886794642923/)
Forza Alfa Romeo still going on and on...
Ok here's some footage of the 600hp 4C on it's first event, second race used for testing for 2017 Trofeo Vallecamonica Italian Hillclimb series.;
(Scroll forward to 3.18 driving footage)
Not much 4C in that thing. Looks a lot more like an open wheeler chassis with some sort of 4C-esk body plopped onto it.
Quote from: Duk on April 08, 2016, 02:40:29 PM
If Alfa Romeo aren't actually providing any legitimate technical involement, how are they actually involved as anything other than a sponsor?
McLaren are IN F1.
Ferrari are IN F1.
Renault are IN F1.
BMW (I think BMW are) and Mercedes Benz are IN F1.
Alfa Romeo won't be IN F1, it's just avertising.
Ferrari and Alfa are both own by Fiat. It's hard to expect Italians will create a competition for themselves. I may imagine Alfa would be some sort of Toro Rosso for Ferrari.
Btw, when Alfa 8C was launched rumours were saying it could've been faster, but ... Ferrari said no and "slowed" it down.
Quote from: SPQR on September 08, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
Ferrari and Alfa are both own by Fiat. It's hard to expect Italians will create a competition for themselves. I may imagine Alfa would be some sort of Toro Rosso for Ferrari.
Btw, when Alfa 8C was launched rumours were saying it could've been faster, but ... Ferrari said no and "slowed" it down.
Of course this often happens in a family, the biggest (and not the eldest) gets their way...like this project by Pininfarina for a wealthy businessman using the Ferrari F430 Scuderia underpinnings, to make a modern Lancia Stratos...Ferrari were none too pleased...
(http://www.new-stratos.com/img/content/gallery/D3X0195.jpg)
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(http://www.new-stratos.com/img/content/gallery/D3X0304.jpg)
That is gorgeous! 8) 8) 8)
If recall the story correctly, Fez also made sure the Maserati MC12 was a shade slower than the Enzo, even though they were almost the same car underneath.