Ive scored a pair of brand new koni inserts for sud. But... Now i read there were different struts between early and late suds. Does anyone know the koni part numbers and are they different? If they are different anyone interested in early sud koni inserts? Thanks
Mark
Koni catalogue would be awesome
What is the part number on yours?
Part number is 82z1866. Havent paid for them so can cancel, be a shame if they didnt fit. Koni website doesnt have them listed.
From a parts list of Koni shocks I downloaded in 2002, the part number 86-1866Sport is for the front of the Sud 1.2, 1.3, 1.5 super, Ti, Sprint Veloce (73 - 82) and Sud Giardinetta Estate (75 - 82)
Thanks Scott. Ill have to give them a miss. They were real cheap for brand new konis. Good for someone with an earlier sud. I think modification would be possible, i read someone had done it by interchanging top plates and putting a little bit of allumium around inserts to fill 2mm difference. But im not cutting up my sttuts without being 100% sure.
I did come across a source of koni reds for a series 3 last year. Koni yellows are the sports and koni reds the standard model. Both are adjustable. Any interest?
Yes, i like the idea of putting in shocks that can be refurbished in the future. Are they still available? Pm me if you like. It would very much depend on price.
I tried to get my Koni Dampers reconditioned in Melbourne by the Koni agent, but they said parts were no longer available as were new dampers were no longer supplied.... thats one of the reasons you buy Koni's, is that you can get them refurbished, in the olden days, they said they could supply all Koni parts back to the year dot, but not anymore.
Ended up getting them reconditioned by one of the last remaining shock absorbers reconditioners in Queensland, they said, parts will not be a problem as they are Queensland Koni distributors, it took them a week to turn them around and they have been on the car now for a few month's and they are good, ...always get a second opinion, Colin.
Quote from: Alfa.mg on March 13, 2016, 08:08:27 PM
Yes, i like the idea of putting in shocks that can be refurbished in the future. Are they still available? Pm me if you like. It would very much depend on price.
You have PM
wwwshockabsorberrepairs is the name of the place in Queensland that repaired my Koni shock absorbers, i put a post on the forum about it a few months ago, Colin.
Thanks Col, i had read that one. Good to know that they'll do it still if we look around. 900 odd thousand suds were made. Id like to think theres a few more piles of spares hanging around tht will slowly come out. Ive found a guy in Orange who sells sud parts at very reasonable prices and has helped me out with most of my plastic pieces.
Think one of the old Top Performance guys is doing Koni servicing. Parts should not be hard to find if you look in UK/ Europe.
Seeing the historic race cars at PI last weekend and many are running Koni's including Can-Am cars as per the rules!
Good luck with the search and try Milano etc for s/h struts as many cars ran Koni's.
As stated before the SPICA shocks were such rubbish, Alfa Romeo replaced the factory shocks with Koni's, but i was surprised when the Melbourne Koni agent doesn't service them or sell new inserts for 33's, so i was lucky i found the Queensland wwwshockabsorberrepairs.
The problem is with buying parts out of the UK and Europe is freight.
I did a search of the wreckers about 5 years ago and came up with a series two 33 strut, which would have worked with spacers and adaptors made up.
There may have been over one million 33's made over 12 years, but how many do you see on the road, except some old bloke driving between Rossana and Kilsyth every day?
The series 3 Suds ran Koni's, as did the series one 33's and series two 33's, but they were all different, but looked similar.
Someone needs to put a rocket up the Koni dealer in Melbourne, as feight to Queensland can be expensive, Colin.
I did not know that Konis ever came standard. Ill go have a good look at mine.
Koni were a standard option, the Spica shock absorber Company, i was told, an Italian State Owned Company, that the Italian Goverment wouldn't fund it, just like Alfa Romeo at the time, and all their equipment was out of date, and the Goverment were getting ready to sell it, hence the substandard shock absorbers that would leak sitting on a shelf, as witnessed by a young Uncle Col about 30 years ago at a Melbourne Alfa Romeo Dealer.
The bottom of the strut will have a bolt head sticking out the bottom holding the anything but a Spica shock absorber, the top of the shock absorber will have a recessed hex for a 6 mm allen key, from memory the Spica had a crappy looking external square on it.
The Koni brand was quite hard to get, in 1984 for the Sud, due to overwelming demand and we were going to get the Koni's reconditioned at the long gone Heidleburg shocker reconditioners.
The Sud and 33 was diabolical to drive with no proper dampening on the front, hit a severe bump and the Sud almost changed lanes, it was that bad, Colin.
If the Alfasud strut has a big 17- 19mm bolt head sticking out the bottom of the strut and an allen key hole in the top of the strut then it probably has a Koni already.
The Konis certainly improved the handling of the cars but not the compliance/ comfort. Alfa did a great job with the SPICAs tuning the suspension on the TiQV's and really balanced the car's nicely for the road. Well remember my car and driving a couple of others with the standard suspension and they drove beautifully (particularly post re-valving to stiffer Koni Yellows with 20% harder 'bump' on the Sud).
Have kept a couple of sets of original SPICA shockers.
Enjoy
Paul
Paul, you must have had some special Spica's, all the ones i seen were leaking.....on a shelf in a box, by the time it went on the car half of the oil would have gone.
If you have Koni's, you can have them revalved by Koni, but most likely not in Melbourne, as the Koni spare parts van doesn't quite make it this far.
You would most likely to able to get the Spica's rebuilt by a shock absorber reconditioner, i have seen original Spica's for sale on ebay in Europe and decided to give them a wide berth, Colin.
I suspect from memory Col that the SPICAs needed rebuilding and these days, could get them rebuilt. The Konis are such great quality though and have had 22 years without an issue.
Had a quick look. It has a nut at the bottom, and a nut at the top. The thread coming out the top is square shaped for the last 10 or so mm. Will keep investigating when i get them off. Thanks for all the info.
There were other manufacturers who made the inserts for the struts, can't remember what brands they were, but most used Koni, as they could be rebuilt and revalved back in the day, but these days if you use the Victorian Koni Agent, they don't have any parts for 33's and Suds, so get them done by the Queensland Koni agent, Colin.
Im feeling the love has run out for the Vic agent.