http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/05/business/classic-cars-abandoned-for-decades-in-french-barn-valued-at-20-million/index.html
Owner should be handed over to ISIS ...
How fantastic! without people like this cars like these wouldn't exist, cars like anything collectable when they hit 20 to 30 years enter the unloved period (pick almost any 88 to 95 model car)and then either get chopped, modified and generally butchered and smashed up and off to the wreckers few make it through the twilight years and then by some miracle they hit 40 years and they become collectable and by 50 rare! funny how life is, I tell my wife Im like a car hopefully it will keep her interested her reply was yes but there is not a shed full to pick from.
Notice the Mark 3 Cortina, must be worth a few thousand now, how could something like this, not be noticed as there are no walls to hide it.
One of the best collection of old cars, Bugati's in particular was the Schulpf??? collection in France, 2 brothers who run a clothes making business had a collection of cars hid under the factories, even had the last century French Gas Street lights installed for period correctness, on the bucket list, Colin.
yeh the Schlumpf's car museum in Mulhouse ( france near Basel) is exceptional with exceedingly rare alfas.
another great museum it has everything plus some interesting cars in in Germany is Sinshiem about 20kms north of Stuttgart
What happened to ferrari at bathurst?
Results for the MOLY Bathurst 12 Hour,Qualifying,
1 Audi R8,
2 Lamborghini Gallardo,
3 Nissan GTR,
4 Ferrari F458 Italia,
5 Aston Martin Vantage,
6 Ferrari F458 Italia,
7 Mercedes SLS AMG GT3,
8 Mc Claren MP4 - 12C,
9 Audi R8,
10 Bentley Continental.
Coverage starts at 5.30 AM on the 72 mate digital channel, then in the afternoon it switches to the main channel 7 station and concludes at 6 pm.
Last year was a ripper with Craig Lowndes and Shane Van Gisbergen racing each other in the final few laps, this year the organisers of the V8 Taxi series has seen fit to run their 'show and shine' weekend on the same weekend as the MOLY Bathurst 12 hour, good on you James Wobbleton, Colin.
GTR wins the Bathurst 12 Hour today, still showing its superiority, returning after its last wins there in 199i and 1992. And this time it cleaned up Audi R8, Aston Martin, Bentley, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.,
Seems like Jeremy Clarkson was spot on in his recent article in The Australian, when he placed it first in his selection of the world's best Super Cars.
Very enjoyable race, with the last 2 laps after a long safety car period, a straight fight to victory.
The Bentley looked quite mean as a race car and was involved in quite a few 'incidents', there seemed to be a good crowd, certainly more than was at the cricket, which they showed on the sports highlights.
I wonder how the 'show and shine' went at Sydney Motorsport Park, with the V-8 Taxi's?, Colin.
Col, I couldn't agree more watched it on and off yesterday all day .I never thought I would find myself barracking for a Bentley, but I was.
I had reckoned I was going to be like a basketball game, so late afternoon after channel surfing all day I received orders from the "war office" , that if I didn't get off the couch I would be forcibly removed. In our house these threats aren't to be taken lightly. I went out and cut the lawns so I could return and watch the last 30 - 40 mins.
It was almost like a top ten shoot out. The Bentley was being driven very well ,in the middle of the Road, on the racing line or wherever he could put himself to block, but you just thought he might be overwhelmed by the Audi's.. Then out of the blue after a late safety car re start the Nissan GTR went from 4th to first . From there on in things only got worse for the Bentley . After 12 hours of great driving he just went into the last corner a little hot and got shuffled back from 2nd to 4th.
Great motor racing.
PS : I did watch a bit of the V8s . I had forgotten how much navel gazing & commercials they can have only to be interrupted by the odd bit of on track stuff.
Now the rumours are abound, was the GTR playing possum where did it get that mysterious 100+hp from to out drag an R8 v10 and a twin Turbo v8 Bentley.
Is it true that Renault red BUll used new f1 technology on the 3,8 ltr twin turbo GTR after all they own over 40 % of Nissan
Or was it a great win or a combo of all of the above.
bit of an upset that the ferrari number 88 was taken out in practice,would have been great to see the STIG drive he was the Lowndes replacement
Oh and the V8s that you cant buy,drive or care about they are slower than cars you can get from the dealer by over 5 seconds a lap surely the 12 hour is the real Bathurst it is more in keeping with the original formula buy it friday ,drive to bathurst Saturday ,race it Sunday , sell Monday
the add reads "" only driven on sundays""
Ps the new Ferrari 488 replacing the 458 has just come out with a very hot all new 3.9 ltr v8 killing off the current 4.5
it has reputedly 80hp at over 600hp thats the same as the GTR but with NO turbos more hopefully we see this next Bathurst
The Bathurst 12 hour cars are hardly standard, see the bodywork and flares, the Mercedes were running Hewland sequential gearboxes and the Bentley had an X-trac, and there was not much of an interior left, but loved the tough look of the Bentley, didn't expect WO Bentley or Wolf Bernardo to get out of the car, but some gold chained rapper.
The V-8 'test day' was shown on Foxtel, but channel 10 had a highlights package later on.....get used to it.
I noticed that 6 cars in the Taxi series had no sponsorship, out of 25 or so cars thats not a healthy sign, the two Lucas Dumbrell Racing Commodores were virgin white for Tim Blanchard and Nick Percat, with Blanchard's car having a sticker on the back from daddy's company, One of the Mercedes car's driven by Ash Walsh had 'Erebus' on the side, not a paying sponsor, the Ford Australia Race Team, now branded Prodrive, because Ford won't give them any money, had a new car, 'Super Black Racing' or something for New Zealanders, not too much sponsor ship money there and the 4 Nissans had 'Jack Daniels' on the side, but the other 3 had 'Nissan Academy', which is Nissan tipping the money in.
Bring on the 12 hour again, [but don't give any ideas to Neil Choi], Colin.
No I didnt mean standard or base model but you can order them from the factory via your dealer as in like the old days with the GTA or Autodelta therefore they are a car that given buckets of money anyone can own and drive .I remember seeing jags, alfas and Gt falcons and escort bda racing at bathurst and the first thing anyone did after Bathurst was go down to the dealer to sit in one and kick the tyres and finding out that you could buy 2 base models for the price of a GT.Oh to dream and then one day you wake up your 40+ and you say to yourself "what the hell Ill buy one".So the stable grows thank heavens for car stackers.
You must be as old as me!, before Bathurst, there was Phillip Island's Armstrong 500 and the cars were driven to the track and driven back to the dealers, to be sold on Monday, with a few paint chips.
They had to work on the cars with the tools supplied by the manufacturers of the cars, so for a few years they had excellent tools supplied.
Scary, back in the olden days, there were no seatbelts or roll cages...or safety.
At one race at the Island a bloke knocked down a fence and drove onto the track with his road car and started to race the cars, got sprung when they noticed there was an extra car in the race, officials signalled him to pull over, so he just drove back the way through the fence and back to Melbourne, now that was Series Production, Colin.
Quote from: colcol on February 09, 2015, 08:42:15 PM
The Bathurst 12 hour cars are hardly standard, see the bodywork and flares
I was up on top of the mountain for the entire weekend, with 6 other Alfa Club lunatics, and what a great weekend. It's true, the GT3 cars are far from standard. For starters 4wd is not allowed, so the GTR, Bentley, Audi, Lambo are not exactly representative of the road cars. Didn't see any flares on the cars though Col, pretty sure that's not allowed. Huge rear wing, diffusers, yes.
And the Bentleys sounded incredible from the side of the track. I thought the AMGs sounded amazing the last two years, but the Bentleys were awesome, they sounded like a Spitfire cruising around looking for a target.
The fastest lap time during the race was a 2:03.3. No wonder the V8 organisers wanted to try and take focus away from the event.
When Phil and I went in 2013 it was just us 2, last year we had 4, this year 8. Next year we need 16 people, to keep the equation going. Keep it in mind people, it's an amazing event, easily the best motorsport available in Australia. Pics from the weekend to come very soon.
Quote from: Sheldon McIntosh on February 09, 2015, 11:36:50 PMDidn't see any flares on the cars though Col, pretty sure that's not allowed.
Flares are allowed. And they all have them.
How else could they fit 18" x 13" wide wheels under the Bentley? Not tubbed as this is fronts too. In the case of the Bentley the flares are less obvious because they shaped the front to match the width of the fared guard. You can do this when it already looks like the front of a bus.
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What any of this has to do with barn find beats me.
Quote from: misa on February 10, 2015, 10:45:09 AM
What any of this has to do with barn find beats me.
Me too, but I got back from the event last night, was reading through this thread and people were talking about the 12hr, just thought I might contribute.
Thanks for the clarification on the flares too, the bodywork mods are slightly difficult to see from 50m away, when you're concentrating on the glowing exhaust and the incredible speed they carry, and without a standard car to compare them to.
Quote from: misa on February 10, 2015, 10:45:09 AM
How else could they fit 18" x 13" wide wheels under the Bentley?
Fair call. I've actually got a front wheel from one of the Lambos from last year at home. The sheer size of it is mind-boggling, and then you remember it's only the front wheel....
Cheers
Well news update..... on the GTR ,well it is for me I thought it was the 3.8 ltr v6 twin turbo as did most of us until that last second drag race walking past the R8 and strolling past the Bentley Bent 8 ( bent8ly) which was the peoples choice .
In fact the GTR was running its full Le Mans car LMP which boasts a twin turbo 6.4ltr v8
Yep thats not an error and I got the info from a scrutineer.It was legal to run in the AA class
but really it was in class of its own, congratulations go to Renault F1 for the motor (nismolt) and Nissan for the body. ""Nissan heading to Le Mans with 1,250-hp GT-R LM Nism"" quote from Drive feb 2 2015
Quote from: carlo rossi on February 18, 2015, 03:30:05 PM
In fact the GTR was running its full Le Mans car LMP which boasts a twin turbo 6.4ltr v8
Yep thats not an error and I got the info from a scrutineer.It was legal to run in the AA class
but really it was in class of its own, congratulations go to Renault F1 for the motor (nismolt) and Nissan for the body. ""Nissan heading to Le Mans with 1,250-hp GT-R LM Nism"" quote from Drive feb 2 2015
Yeah mate, I think that is an error. The Nissan LMP has a 3.0 V6 TT, and it's 1250 bhp figure is helped along by a KERS system. The 3.0 V6 provides about 500bhp, and the KERS the rest. Are you suggesting they also put the KERS system in the GTR? If your 'scrutineer' can't tell a V6 from a V8 (or find a KERS system somewhere in the car), I'm not sure I'd be trusting much else he had to say. And if they DID have the LMP engine (without KERS), they'd be down over 100bhp on the cars they 'strolled' past, or it's actual 3.8 V6.
Full details on the Nissan LMP car here (and disregarding this thread, it's a fascinating read about a truly revolutionary racecar)...... http://www.racer.com/wec-le-mans/item/113077-pruett-inside-the-nissan-gt-r-lm-nismo-lmp1-program?showall=1&limitstart=#!Nissan_GT_R_LM_NISMO_LMP1_by_Marshall_Pruett_6
NO its not !!!
the facts a standard GTR is a twin turbo 3.8 not 3.0 ltr
b) it you look up final positions on the official site it has their capacities
Guess what 6.459 !!! results below
1 35 NISMO Athlete Global Team F.Strauss/K.Chiyo/W.Reip Nissan GT-R NISMO GT 6459 AA 269 12:00:11.0280 2:03.9769 14
2 15 Phoenix Racing M.Mapelli/L.Vanthoor/M.Winkelhock Audi R8-LMS Ultra 20 5200 AP 269 12:00:13.4809 2:03.3091R 29
3 97 Craft Bamboo Racing D.O'Young/A.MacDowall/S.Mucke Aston Martin Vantage 5955 AP 269 12:00:13.8296 2:04.4514 94
4 10 Bentley Team M-Sport G.Smith/S.Kane/M.Bell Bentley Continental 3994 AP 269 12:00:14.8101 2:05.1808 15
5 36 Erebus Motorsport J.LeBrocq/R.Muscat/D.Canto Mercedes SLS AMG GT3 6200 AP 269 12:00:14.9710 2:04.5607 93
I was surprised as anyone, still hard to believe could the official list be wrong and the guy I met at the coffee shop lieing about being a scrutineer although he also said he and his cousin did race a GT falcon in bathurst in the 70s
but then I found this
The f 1 they refer too is from renault
The 2016 Nissan GT-R will produce 600kW from its F1-inspired hybrid powertrain, if a report in a Japanese magazine is to be believed.
Read more at http://www.caradvice.com.au/278080/2016-nissan-gt-r-to-produce-600kw-from-f1-style-hybrid-system-report/#7SRMMoFLxMjC88CA.99s
Quote from: carlo rossi on February 18, 2015, 06:32:06 PM
NO its not !!!
the facts a standard GTR is a twin turbo 3.8 not 3.0 ltr
No shit? Wow, if you read my post you might find that was exactly what I said. Read it carefully mate, maybe even a few times if you need to. Don't accuse me of getting the facts wrong because you can't comprehend written English. That makes me angry.
If I were you, I'd do some research before believing what a "scutineer in the coffee shop" says. Even if he did race a GT Falcon. Did you get his name? I'm sure we could check if he did actually race a GT Falcon at Bathurst. Also, I have the programme from the 12 hour this year, which lists all the scrutineers, happy to check his name off for you.
As for the rest of it. I don't even need to bother. Seriously dude, I'm sure you're a fine chap, but do some research, get your facts straight, before you post unsubstantiated rubbish on the internet.
So Maybe you should read what i put up ( without anger) or should we try it in latin perhaps
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1 35 NISMO Athlete Global Team F.Strauss/K.Chiyo/W.Reip Nissan GT-R NISMO GT 6459 AA 269 12:00:11.0280 2:03.9769 14
there it is again note the number after..." GT 6459 AA " its in the results section if you think its made up thats the capacity.
its a clear cut and paste from the official site go to news and look up official results
and as I said its hard to believe, still I cant help to think its an error!
But of course you cant read that because you couldnt possibly consider another outcome, you really are a sheldon
and that scrutineer was David. C Ill ask if I can post his full name and car .He also said when they ( father and son ) stuck their heads under the hood of the Nissan they said it had eight cylinders
again Ive not seen it and Neither have you But unlike others I dont judge people without reason or proof ' it was just an observation as Im trying to understand how at that point of a race it could do what it did and if its a 3.8 twin T that makes all the more affordable
the truth is out there
signed leonard
Here is some maths for you. 3.8 x 1.7 = 6.46.
Quote from: Neil Choi on February 18, 2015, 10:53:10 PM
Here is some maths for you. 3.8 x 1.7 = 6.46.
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You must be a scientist.
HOLY MOTHER OF ALL o.t. DRIFTING THREADS!!!! 8) ;D
ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH POWER IS THE KERS PUMPING OUT?
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Thanks Neil but Im sorry I dont follow the reason for 1.7 multiple? is this a kers calc?
No need to be sorry.
It is generally known for a force induced engine, to multiply the engine capacity by 1.7 to equate it to a normally aspirated engine.
So the Bathurst GTR is a 3.8L V6 TT Nismo special, but published as a 6.46L.
It is not a 6.46L V8 TT which DOES NOT exist.
The LMP is a 3.0L V6 TT with KERS, very special and it ain't going to be in a GTR.
The Bentley is published as a 4L but it is turbo charged. So it should have been published as 6.78L.
Seems a bit of inconsistency in publishing the engine capacity details.
thanks for that ,So it is a sort of mistake because none of the other turbos used that formula just the nissan .But the quandry then exists for DAVID C who claims it had 8 Cyl
Im going to talk to his son he doesnt need glasses'
cheers and thanks again
Ps neil I would like to club race my alfa havent had a cams lic for over 20 years ? What to do
Quote from: carlo rossi on February 20, 2015, 09:35:01 AM
thanks for that ,So it is a sort of mistake because none of the other turbos used that formula just the nissan
Not all, but obviously the person entering the data wasn't having a good day.
The Bentleys are listed at 3994cc, but they have a turbo.
The BMW 335i has the formula applied, it's listed as 5064cc. 3.0 turbo, x 1.7
Audi TT is listed at 2500, but that's a 2.5 turbo.
McLaren is listed at 3800, but that's a 3.8 turbo
The rotaries have had their formula applied, 2.0 but listed at 3434cc
There is no way the Nissan was running this mythical V8. The cars are homologated, and you can't change anything. There is also a Balance of Performance applied, to ensure that all the GT3 cars are as equal as possible. Weight is added, restrictors applied etc. Myself and Phil, who have been to the last 3 12-hrs, were amazed at the speed of the Audi and Lambo this year across the top of the mountain. Last year they were visibly slower then the Ferrari and AMG. The BoP works brilliantly to ensure equality in the field.
And, there is a reason the Nissan was able to pass the 2 cars in front of him on the penultimate lap. Great driving. Chiyo read the re-start better than the Audi, was able to jump him there, with metres to spare. And because of that he was right in the slipstream of the Bentley up Mountain Straight, perfect position to pass Bell. Watch it again, through Hell Corner he's right on the Bentleys bumper.
And what is this supposed to mean?
Quote from: carlo rossi on February 18, 2015, 08:53:58 PM
But of course you cant read that because you couldnt possibly consider another outcome, you really are a sheldon
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Quote from: Sheldon McIntosh on February 20, 2015, 01:27:43 PM
Quote from: carlo rossi on February 20, 2015, 09:35:01 AM
thanks for that ,So it is a sort of mistake because none of the other turbos used that formula just the nissan
And what is this supposed to mean?
Quote from: carlo rossi on February 18, 2015, 08:53:58 PM
But of course you cant read that because you couldnt possibly consider another outcome, you really are a sheldon
My guess would be a reference to theoretical physicist Dr. Sheldon Cooper from the TV hit comedy "The Big Bang Theory? 8) ;D
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Ahhh. Okay, thanks for that. Didn't get the reference, never seen the show.
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Appropriate.
Im very happy it has all lightened up
you can have your spot back
cheers Leonard