Can we discuss this car, I really like the look of it!
Seems relatively good value to me if it has minimal rust... What do we think?
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/carsales/car/private/cp4701153235674781365.jpg?height=290&aspect=centered&width=440)
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Alfa-Romeo-Giulia-1969/SSE-AD-2363662/?Cr=7&sdmvc=1 (http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Alfa-Romeo-Giulia-1969/SSE-AD-2363662/?Cr=7&sdmvc=1)
I don't want to bother the owner directly (unless they're a member) as this would be a retail therapy purchase, ie could go either way depending upon the next shiney thing I see. I'm getting bored of the 156JTD Sportwagon and looking around for something else to drive whilst the Duetto settles into its role of garage art.
http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=11304.0
I do know it has a 1600 (00526) engine in it. So not the original engine but I prefer the 1600 over the 1300 personally. Rare early Ti grille. Scott would take it off your hands for the Ti Super look though!
cheers Derek !
I wonder how much rust it has, if any.
And if it would get roadworthy/rego easily (ie. without any effort at all on my part)
That would be the clincher
I could use the 1600 for the Duetto and throw the Twinspark or Scotts 2L in this... Hmmm, anybody want to buy a 156JTD :)
Yeah you could put the TS in it and your GTA reps and have some fun!
I'm guessing you have a glass of wine in front of you at the moment too?...
Cup of tea, boys night in ...
... Have pinged the owner.
Should it have those delicious spears on the front indicators, and damn, that picture with the white nose has basically sold it to me.
... Who wants a 1.9JTD 156 Sportwagon, to fund this folly ?
Derek you nasty enabler. Factor in transport to QLD and rego - it'a an additional ~$1500 on the price.
Hows the duetto coming along Craig ?
Quote from: pancho on October 18, 2013, 06:13:20 PM
Derek you nasty enabler. Factor in transport to QLD and rego - it'a an additional ~$1500 on the price.
Hows the duetto coming along Craig ?
He really wouldn't have to push too hard.
Shipping and rego are opex, i can man math that, rust and dodgy mech isn't.
I've no idea what these are worth (derek?), imagine they can only go up. Is this a desirable model?
Re the Duetto, I've gotten rid of the 156 parts car I so have room in the shed again, hoping to pull the engine/g'box etc in the next fortnight, hang it in my rotisserie and send to the blasters shortly, I need to get it in epoxy before it corrodes away.
I will say the 1300 Ti is not the most desirable but really there isn't much between them in terms of trim, finish and performance. It is a bit of a bitza with Super door cards and the sill spears weren't on the Ti either I dont think. The owner has remedied this though with the awesome Ti grille. The cool side indicator spears where just on the early Ti and Supers up til about 68.
If it has a good body then I would say it is definitely worth it. Mech is a breeze compared to dodgy sedan bodywork!
Where's the best place in Brisbane to get a sympathetic road worthy for registration ?
Guys yes I think for the current price around $8K it is actually a bargain. Sure it is a bit of a bitza but that kind of also is appealing. Think Squadra non originale 8)
Derek is right in that it has the desirable grill and 4 headlight setup of the earlier Giulia Super rather than the two headlight version of the 1300 Ti. BTW the 1300 TI is quite a rare model out here in Aus, my brother has one but seriously there are far more Supers around. The instrument panel is lovely and in some way nicer than the Supers. Sure the Ti didn't come with carpet but that can be always added. With the early door cards that too me also is a bonus.
Trust me, speaking from experience, which I know Derek can confirm to get a decent driver Giulia Sedan is normally going to cost a packet more if you are restoring one. I would buy this one in a flash if I had the dosh (which I don't) and flog my project, as I know just how much mine is going to cost to finish. Basically far too much. This one looks pretty decent.
The guy who has this one posted it on the Turbo 124 forum and noted that he bought it on a whim but has decided he doesn't like it in red and really wants a GTV, hence he is trying to flip it. The price has come down a number of $k since he first tried selling it.
Don't replace the 1600 with a twinnie, keep it and enjoy it for what it offers. There is nothing wrong with a nice 1600, and they sure are better than the original 1300 !! All the best if you get it, as anyone who knows, knows that Giulia Sedans are seriously cool.
It's only of any value if i can make informed judgement on the condition of the body work, as those of us who are restoring cars well know... The price of a car that needs body work, is just admission.
I'm in contact with the seller, however would absolutely need to establish if it would pass road worthy for rego in QLD without effort (other than mech.). The price is fine, might eat into the Duetto budget a bit but who's counting.
It does look charming, and a bitsa if the resources on Derek's website are anything to go by. I'm not really a squadra originali guy anyway so not fussed.
I assuming Dunlop brakes, cable clutch, four speed box.
Where are the obvious rust traps in this body style?
Should be 5 speed, ATE and hydraulic clutch. Rust: sills of course but the lower panels behind the rear wheels are the worst on a Giulia. They don't repro the inner skin on these. Radiator cross member is worth checking, and generally anywhere else around the skirt. Around the windscreen and rear can go if they had dodgy rubbers.
I don't have a problem with bitzas either btw! Just look at the condition I drove my car in for years!
Quote from: Craig_m67 on October 18, 2013, 08:30:25 PM
It's only of any value if i can make informed judgement on the condition of the body work, as those of us who are restoring cars well know... The price of a car that needs body work, is just admission.
I'm in contact with the seller, however would absolutely need to establish if it would pass road worthy for rego in QLD without effort (other than mech.). The price is fine, might eat into the Duetto budget a bit but who's counting.
It does look charming, and a bitsa if the resources on Derek's website are anything to go by. I'm not really a squadra originali guy anyway so not fussed.
I assuming Dunlop brakes, cable clutch, four speed box.
Where are the obvious rust traps in this body style?
I agree whole heartedly about the bodywork and of course given the Giulia is in SA and I am in Tassie I can only go on the photos and/or description. But on that basis alone I would tend to think given how straight it looks, the quality of the paint, that rust is unlikely to be an issue. Of course you can never fully tell and the best thing is to get it on a hoist and inspect underneath, let alone in the boot, under the doors etc.
Even if you can't do this yourself, perhaps someone on the forum who lives in SA (Adelaide ??) might be able to do that for you. I would tend to suggest that if the body is fine, then this one is definitely a bargain as I previously commented on. As anyone who has gone through a bodyworks restoration will know to do this correctly is easily going to consume more than the current purchase price of $8300.
If the rest is as good as it looks then seriously I would be getting on the ph and closing the deal. Really nice Giulias are only going up in value, and at this price it makes a lot of sense. GTs/GTVs/Spiders in this apparent condition are going to cost a lot more.
In terms of typical rust, apart from what Derek advised, and I can see from the Carsales site, it has carpet, the floors next to the cills, also the ridge on the rear side guard where it meets the rear doors, door bottoms, jacking points etc, even sometimes the boot well.
The trim inside this car looks pretty tidy, the door cards and furniture are from an earlier Super, the steering wheel is also non correct for a Ti, but its fine. As mentioned the grill is a beauty and very valuable these days, so even though not correct for a Ti I personally wouldn't change it.
Strange that it has a 1600 but with single carb. Normally 1600s come with Twin Webbers. As Derek mentioned yes 5 speed, as all 105s came with this.
Good luck with it, if you can get it and don't forget to send Barry Edmunds the detarils for entry on his Register.
My two cents on this car for what it is worth. I have seen 2 different adverts for this car, one listing it as a Giulia 1300 Ti and the other as a Giulia Ti. Before any interested party starts thinking about handing over their hard-earned I'd suggest proper confirmation and full disclosure from the seller about what model it actually is and what, if any, mods have been made by PO's.
If it is a 1300 Ti how come it has 4 headlights and a one-piece grille, why does it have a 1300 Ti badge on the bootlid? If it really is a Giulia Ti then it is not a 1969 model as they had long since disappeared by that late stage. The car does have the dash instruments for a 1300 Ti. All 1300 Ti's were single headlight models with a 3 bar grille. The much later 1300 Supers had 4 headlights and 5-bar grille. If it really is a 69 model it should have ATE brakes.
BTW the car is listed on the Giulia Super Register as a 69 1300 Ti.
At the risk of being a tad cynical, at my age it is permitted, I would certainly want a lot more information and answers before I'd even make an offer for this car based on the adverts.
Barry
Yeah Barry it is a 1300Ti with a Super engine
I would agree it is a 1300 TI, but a PO has made the various changes that is all. I don't actually have a problem with this though. But of course I am not parting with any $, as I don't have any spare. ;D ;D Who knows perhaps the trim on the car was in poor condition, or perhaps he liked the look of the Super ?
My brothers 1300 TI has the same type of grill and 4 headlight setup and a bigger engine and from memory is either a '69 or '70 model.
My own '69 Giulia Super has the full interior of an early Super, (or will do when fitted), but with an early 1600 engine, and all going well a range of other minor changes to suit my tastes. My point simply being don't necessarily judge the car on its asking price or some changed trim.
To me, it really depends on what the condition of the body is (ie. good or rubbish with nice shiny paint), and the state of the mechanicals.
The owner has openly said on another forum that he is simply flipping it, but given the price reduction I doubt he is going to make any real profit, so perhaps he simply is not a Giulia Sedan fan and/or knowledgeable of them.
Derek, I accept that this is a 1300 Ti but the four headlights/five bar grille is still the odd thing out. Barry
Possibly it's had a smack up the front end - the front bumper and grille are from an earlier car. Rear bumper is the later type.
Bit of ordinary overspray in the engine-bay (see steering idler / brake lines under booster) But of course, anyone who's seen my car up close knows I shouldn't point the finger at anyone over bodywork issues ..... ;)
Also seems to have the dual brake circuit fluid reservoir, but one brake circuit (at least only one booster) and no clutch reservoir - Anyone know if Alfa shared the clutch / brake reservoir that way ? (parading my ignorance here)
Re the number of headlights - in Derek's super Super Differences thread on the alfabb - Roland (of some reknown in Super circles) spake thusly:
All 1600 models are having double headlights exept the Ti-Super, all the 1300 models are having single headlights until mid 72
1300 Super of 70 until 72 also had singleheadlights and the smal taillights, the letters on the trunk are the square type letters like the TI
the last 1300 Supers from 72> had double headlights and the big taillights and the letters on the trunk are the curly model ones, the last 1300 Supers are unificato with the 1600 versions but stil are having a 1300 engine with hanging oilfilter, this changes with the introduction of the Nuova models
So If you see a 1300 Super older than 72 or a 1300 Ti with double headlights then it is updated
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/sedan-1962-1977/27397-super-differences-2.html#post233604 (http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/sedan-1962-1977/27397-super-differences-2.html#post233604)
Everyone's entitled to my ignorance opinion ;)
The bit that irks me on this car is that they kept the single Solex even though they changed it to a Super engine. Question for those with later cars (ie later than mine) when did the battery tray change from the stamped metal one to the plastic type? This one has the metal tray and I thought they were plastic by 69.
I still reckon it could be a good deal if you can get naked photos of it from when it was repainted to see what issues were addressed and how.
Checking the recent/past history of this car would probably involve talking to all PO's to ascertain who did what and when. I agree that it could be a good buy, once the inevitable questions were answered. Looks to be a more realistic prospect that others of late. Barry
That too was my thinking Barry. Hopefully it goes to a good home.
i currently own the guilia >:( >:(
I am not happy about showing my chassis # and engine # on this public forum
the car has not been smashed of the front end like all old cars they all need tinkering what alfa has not been repaired in some way or modified to suit prevoius owners taste ,cant find a org grille etc etc 1600 cc motor is a better choice i bought this on impulse but have since been offered a 1750 gtv so one has to go and the guilia won the toss
the guilia is in good cond and looks the part
Whats the issue with the chassis # ?
Its there for all to see in the Just Cars ad ......
Anyway, now we have your attention, tell us more about the condition of the car?
The obvious question is the 'R' word. We can see its been modified for whatever reason in the past and could be a great purchase if the body is OK or
won't need too much fettling.
It has to do more than, 'look the part' for buyers.
Cheers.
I removed my reference to your chassis number from this thread. But yes, I don't understand why chassis numbers are so secret. I think any car for sale should list this. Just as your engine number reveals that you have a 1600 engine in the car but all your ads say that it is a 1300.
Many of us still like your car but the more detailed information about it the better for you to be able to sell it, and for the potential buyer to know what they are getting.
Quote from: THEG105 on October 22, 2013, 08:02:08 AM
i currently own the guilia >:( >:(
I am not happy about showing my chassis # and engine # on this public forum
the car has not been smashed of the front end like all old cars they all need tinkering what alfa has not been repaired in some way or modified to suit prevoius owners taste ,cant find a org grille etc etc 1600 cc motor is a better choice i bought this on impulse but have since been offered a 1750 gtv so one has to go and the guilia won the toss
the guilia is in good cond and looks the part
I can well understand you might feel unduly criticised re your Giulia, hence I would hope you read from my postings positive comment. As I said, if I had the $$ this is one Giulia that would definitely be on my shopping list. I thought it looked like a nice condition car, just with some changes to trim which as I noted didn't concern me, if anything made it more attractive in my eyes.
If you want to change grills, I can certainly supply a later series Giulia Super grill ;D, but truthfully I suspect you wouldn't be interested, especially given the new direction you wish to pursue.
All the best with the sale of this Giulia.
Quote from: THEG105 on October 22, 2013, 08:02:08 AM
i currently own the guilia >:( >:(
Hi Tony,
Glad you found the thread. Thanks for the hi res photos from your original ad. As discussed in our emails, I would really like to see some additional photos of the locations that rust predominantly forms on these cars and underneath (at the very least) so I can make better decision about having the car inspected by the RAA and then purchase.
Without any information like this it's impossible for me to estimate how much bodywork the car might require for roadworthy and ultimately it's actual value - hence my firm $offer this evening. More than happy to negotiate with you, however ultimately I need your buy in to help establish condition.
I'm more than happy to travel for the right car although in this case I would likely have it transported (straight to Scott for a TS) :)
Craig McLeod
THEG105, Your car has been on the Giulia Super Register, as a 1969 1300 Ti for near 20 years, and the two different adverts for the car, one for a Giulia 1300 Ti and one for a Giulia, included the chassis number. Some jurisdictions actually require chassis and engine numbers to be included in such advertisements.
Perhaps some of the confusion about the car and the numerous postings on this forum with queries could have been cleared up had the queries about the model, the 4 headlights and the one piece grille and other items been answered or explained earlier.
I certainly hope the car goes to a good home as, on the photo evidence so far, it looks to be a good car for the right buyer. Hopefully the new owner will forward relevant details on to me to update the Register. Barry 0405 383 431 or giulia105@optusnet.com.au
car is now sold