159 wagon rear seats 2009+

[alf]

No filter?  You mean in the exhaust?  I thought I'd come across various threads moaning about DPF problems in both 1.9's and 2.4's?
It would be interesting to drive the 159 and Passat side by side and see how much was real and how much perceived.  Perhaps the more fluid nature of the full auto in the 159 vs Passat DSG masked the lurch from off boost to on boost and the difference was not as much as it felt.  But it felt like a lot!
Sooted up inlet manifold / swirl flaps jammed / etc??

[[MotoPete]]

My pick would be a 1.9 manual, only shame is there was no TI version of the 159 wagon.

I think you mean "there was no TI version of the 1.9 159 wagon"...

[Brad M]

No filter?  You mean in the exhaust?  I thought I'd come across various threads moaning about DPF problems in both 1.9's and 2.4's?

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant there is no DPF on the 1.9 diesel in our 147, which is also the same as the 1.9 in the 159. Learnt this second-hand from a someone who should know from Lance Dixon.

My pick would be a 1.9 manual, only shame is there was no TI version of the 159 wagon.

I think you mean "there was no TI version of the 1.9 159 wagon"...

Yes, that's another way to say it.

[[MotoPete]]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant there is no DPF on the 1.9 diesel in our 147...

At a guess, pre 2005 (147) cars may not have had one as they would only have been required to meet Euro III. Post '05 cars would definitely have one fitted, as only the 1.3 variant of the JTD engine family can meet Euro IV standards without a DPF.

As an aside, the JTD design is co-owned between Fiat and GM, so you'll see variants of the engine in a lot vehicles across both company's ranges.

[Brad M]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant there is no DPF on the 1.9 diesel in our 147...

At a guess, pre 2005 (147) cars may not have had one as they would only have been required to meet Euro III. Post '05 cars would definitely have one fitted, as only the 1.3 variant of the JTD engine family can meet Euro IV standards without a DPF.

As an aside, the JTD design is co-owned between Fiat and GM, so you'll see variants of the engine in a lot vehicles across both company's ranges.

With all respect, I tend to trust the view of the local Alfa Romeo dealer. But, happy to have evidence shown to the contrary. Sorry for still being OT.

[Craig_m67]

Pretty easy to check with ePer, what's the engine code?

I wouldn't trust an Alfa dealer, they told me my car** couldn't exist when I wanted to buy some spare parts, even though it was sitting on their forecourt.  I had the PN I needed (same part in the 147JTD) and my VIN but they just couldn't cope

*personal import

[Brad M]

Pretty easy to check with ePer, what's the engine code?

I wouldn't trust an Alfa dealer, they told me my car** couldn't exist when I wanted to buy some spare parts, even though it was sitting on their forecourt.  I had the PN I needed (same part in the 147JTD) and my VIN but they just couldn't cope

*personal import

Engine Number   937A2000-#######
Engine Code   JTD M-JET

The 1.9 JTD was put into at least 30 different vehicles apparently  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTD_engine#1.9).

Not surprised the Australian dealer struggled with your personal import.  I assume it was a 156 or GT with a 1.9 JTD. You might as well have turned up to the dealers forecourt and had a Suzuki SX-4 with a 1.9 JTD engine. The dealer's system is Australian-based, not a world wide reference on Alfa Romeo vehicles, and will utilise the VIN or Australian delivered model to determine which parts are relevant to the vehicle. Surprised though that you couldn't just order the relevant part number.

PS: this is another strike against me for being Off Topic, sending myself to the sin bin.

[[MotoPete]]

I wouldn't trust an Alfa dealer...

+1

McCarroll's managed to swindle the previous owner of my car to the tune of $629.90 for a pair of plain old ordinary front disc rotors. They really ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Still, I guess more the fool to him for not shopping around.

[oz3litre]

only shame is there was no TI version of the 159 wagon.

Yes there was. We have a November 2007 built ti wagon with the 2.4 JTDM and six speed auto.  It has loads of power and is pretty quick off the line. The ti suspension is firm and tight and makes the car feel very nimble and not at all heavy. We love it. We haven't folded the seats down much but haven't found it a big problem. I also have a GT and have folded the seats down on that more often to carry my bass guitar and camping gear and they do fold flat. 

[colcol]

The reason the 159 2.4 - 5 cylinder had a particle filter was for the latest Euro pollution laws, but the 1.9  4 cylinder diesel motor in the 147 is an absolute ripper because it won its class at the Bathurst production car race about 8 years ago, so all you diesel 147 owners out there can brag, that they drive a Bathurst winner, that actual 147 that won Bathurst usually makes an appearance at the Alfa Romeo Owners club 6 hour race in October at Winton, Colin.

[pep105]

only shame is there was no TI version of the 159 wagon.

Yes there was. We have a November 2007 built ti wagon with the 2.4 JTDM and six speed auto.  It has loads of power and is pretty quick off the line. The ti suspension is firm and tight and makes the car feel very nimble and not at all heavy. We love it. We haven't folded the seats down much but haven't found it a big problem. I also have a GT and have folded the seats down on that more often to carry my bass guitar and camping gear and they do fold flat. 

I think what Brad was trying to say and MotoPete had posted was there was no Ti version of the 1.9 159 Wagon or sedan for that matter.

The GT is a very practical coupe and sexy to boot. 

[Brad M]

only shame is there was no TI version of the 159 wagon.

Yes there was.

Yep, I know. As Pep mentioned I was referring to the 159 1.9 JTDM Sportswagon not coming in a TI version.

... btw: for reference 2008 saw 159 Sportswagon's arriving in a TI version with 2.4 JTDM in either an Automatic or Manual transmission. I did a fair bit of research on the Alfa diesels, before getting out 147.

[Craig_m67]

2.4 JTDm Ti manual Sportwagon?

My dream 159.. Never seen one though (Ti)

[oz3litre]

2.4 JTDm Ti manual Sportwagon?

My dream 159.. Never seen one though (Ti)

Neither have I. I think I prefer the auto though because it keeps the gear changes nicely in the torque band which is important with a diesel. We drive ours in sport mode all the time after finding the economy is the same in normal mode. Sport mode is more fun. The paddle shifts work beautifully if you really want to change manually, but we don't tend to use them. It is the best auto trans I have ever driven. My wife has a very long daily commute and the auto is more relaxing. She looks forward to it because the car is so much fun to drive.

[Potsie]

Very underwhelming performance and was showing an average of 9.8l/100km on the computer - slow AND thirsty.  Is the 2.4 even more thirsty again?

Alf,

I have been logging my fuel consumption on my 2.4l JTDm and after 15873km it has averaged 8.74l/100km. It is my daily driver and has done 5 country trips. (note - it is 2nd hand - just gone over 60,000k's on the ODO). FYI.