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paul edwards

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Hi all

     Just thought l would get the ball rolling on this topic. l use the Red line synthetic shock proof (light weight) in my transaxle, it is a bit pricie but l really like it. It will actually improve the change and in some cases a gear box that is a little crunchy it will help if not stop the crunching.

     Shock Proof gear oil has a 40% lower coefficient of friction and 250% the load carrying capacity compared to conventional gear oil, which means that the metal to metal friction is greatly reduced.

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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2010, 07:26:49 AM »
Paul, I like that redline product as well, and used to use it, but, I also found that Valvoline Duragear API GL5 75W-90 was just as good and cost half as much. In a gearbox that you are pulling apart every other raceday (and throwing away the oil) I thought that the Valvoline product was a better choice. They both help 2nd gear changes. This is specifically in reference to the 116 transaxle, however, I also use the same product in the 155's gear box.

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MD

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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2010, 06:08:32 PM »
Jim,

How compatible is that Valvoline transmission fluid with the transaxle LSD ?
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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2010, 08:22:45 PM »
It works fine with the 116 type LSD's - but you need to make sure that you get that specific API GL5 product and not the closely related and similarly named API GL4 products that Valvoline also make.

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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2010, 01:34:48 PM »
Thank you.

Have you ever had the occasion to use Shell XGO Gear Oil 75W-90 API GL5 Mil-L-21050. I am told it is also a good oil. If you have, what's it like compared to the Valvoline stuff?
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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 01:51:30 PM »
 Taking the advise about the redline gear oil, how many litres do the transaxles hold? I wanted to get the gallon bottle but they only have the small bottles at the moment and considering the cost, i dont want to keep stock. Regards Doug
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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 03:34:26 PM »
Doing some research on the internet, opinions seem to be divided on Redline gear oil. Some people swear by it for Alfa gearboxes and some seem to believe that it gums up and leads to syncro damage. However it does appear that Redline 75/90 NS and not Redline Shockproof is the correct Redline oil to use in an Alfa transaxle.

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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 05:29:21 PM »
Vin Sharp told me to use the Redline.

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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 10:33:57 PM »
Rob, why do you recommend the 75/90, most people  that i know use the lightweight shockproof . doug
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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2011, 12:13:23 PM »
Doug

I am only stating information that I have found on the net. Go onto the Alfa BB forum and do a search. Apparently Redline themselves dont reccomend shockproof for use on Alfa boxes.

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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2011, 09:08:09 PM »
just thought that i would post the answer about how much oil the transaxle takes = 2.85 litres
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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2011, 10:25:37 PM »
If you have the time to read 7 pages relating to transmission oil coolers and transmission fluids specifically for racing transaxles, you should go here:

http://alfagtv6.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3477&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=gearbox+oils

Bear in mind that on the recommeded oils list is a Valvoline product which is a GL-4 and it would appear from Jim Nielsen's earlier comment, not suitable for an LSD box but the GL-5 version is ok.

Please note:

The above lubricants are meant to be suitable for transaxles equipped with a limited slip differential which is a disc pack type. NOT ALL LUBRICANTS SUITABLE FOR OPEN DIFF. TRANSAXLES ARE SUITABLE FOR LSD TYPES.

Providing advice that certain lubricants are suitable for Alfa transaxles without further qualification is not meaningful enough.
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Rob Berson

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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 06:13:10 PM »
Speaking to Vin Sharp today - he uses and recommends Redline Lightweight Shockproof oil and has yet to see any adverse effects.

Rob

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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2011, 09:57:36 AM »
I put Redline in my Alfetta in 2007. It was the Heavyweight grade and I changed over to the Lightweight in 2009. It is probably due for a change for this season

I haven't had any shifting issues and I think the Lightweight is probably better - but I am pretty easy on the gear changes.

One probably I had last year was jumping out of second gear. We kept on increasing the slotting on the gear change bracket (second gear is farthest away) and that dodge has worked.

I've been told that the real problem is end float and only a total gearbox rebuild with new bits will sort this out.

At the moment all my synchros are fine so have left well alone.

Regarding my gearbox history. Vin built it as a modded Twin Spark box with a 4.1 in 2000 and then rebuilt it in 2007 with new synchros, a 4.3 and a shorter 5th gear. I suspect that after such a life that replacing things like selector forks and possibly bearings is on the cards. I have a couple of spare gearboxes with bits so that shouldn't pose a problem.
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Re: Alfetta Transaxle gear box lube for racing and or club days.
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 12:18:16 PM »
 I have put the  redline lightweight shockproof in and will report back after next weekends FOSC meeting at Wakefield Park. Hopefully it wont be like it is today. Doug
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