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murray_dee_87

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159 TI too low
« on: January 23, 2019, 08:31:25 AM »
I have a 159 TI which comes with the sports suspension. Donít get me wrong it looks amazing but I found I scrape on everything, when is low too low? Anyone else have this problem


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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2019, 12:11:52 PM »
I don't have a 159, but all my Alfas (2x156 and 1x116GTV) were/are lowered, and they inevitably scrape on some things.

For my 156s, the only real scraping point has been the front chin - but primarily only when entering/leaving a ramp, or going over really big speed bumps, or if you park with the nose over a raised kerb. So really not an issue,  you soon get accustomed to being more careful when navigating such items.

The GTV used to scrape at the front and the rear on virtually any raised object. But I discovered this was due to 2 factors - shoddy exhaust manifold/collector hanging too far below sump at the front and exhaust pipe hanging too low at the rear. Ageing dampers/springs probably also a contributing factor.

Since had the exhaust system fixed, and no more problems.

If you think your car is scraping unusually often, you could check your tyres are properly inflated, and that the springs/shocks don't feel unusually 'flaccid". Also have a squiz to see if there is anything that looks like its protruding below sump level more than it should.

If it has a factory lowered suspension option, you shouldn't be having too many issues other than the chin scraping on really steep ramps and some of the higher speed bumps/kerbs  councils seem obsessed with installing these days. Those bolted on, rectangular raised rubber speed humps seem to be the worst.

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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2019, 12:34:46 PM »
I have a 3.2 Ti and you must slow down for all speed humps  as well as steep driveways, its something to get use to if you own a Ti ,be especially careful of the humps in industrial units because if you arent careful and hit those  can cause the exhaust  to move upwards on impact and damage the 2 lambda probes

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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2019, 02:15:24 PM »
Mines not a Ti, but has the optional eibach lowering kit from the factory. I never ever scraped it on anything. I always approach driveways/speedbumps on an angle and never have any issues.

My 164 is about 70mm off the ground from its lowest point and again I've never scraped it. Just gotta get into the habbit of going slow over bumps and angling the car going up driveways and such.
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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2019, 04:15:10 PM »
Technically it's the kerbs and bumps that are too high - ADRs mandate specific angles and heights for vehicles that correspond to road design guidelines, but generally local councils follow the guidelines and private car parks do whatever they like. You can always get standard springs if you can live with the look, also by many accounts raising the ride height improves tire wear greatly.

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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2019, 08:30:19 PM »
Our 3.2 Ti Sportwagon is indeed very low and does scrape.

You have to be very careful and yes, I have given thought to going up to standard height. Very low is designed for Autostrada performance not Australian B roads and driveway humps.

All that said the GT is a similar clearance and requires the same care!

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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2019, 11:39:45 AM »
Murray, agree with GTV as my 3.2 Ti scrapes on everything as well. Just have to look ahead and slow down



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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2019, 08:58:05 PM »
My 3.2 Ti scrapes.  Tackling obstacles at silly- low speeds may be frustrating, but it helps.
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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 10:59:04 AM »
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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2019, 02:49:53 PM »
1750Tbi engine 159Ti definitely scrapes your average speed hump (unless you slow right down, which is what it's designed to do).  I'm choosy about which entrance I use at the local supermarket; some of the crossovers are more angled than others and are best avoided. 

It's not a ridiculously low car, but care and attention required.  Same goes for not scratching 19" wheels.
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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2019, 02:20:04 PM »
My 2012 159 Ti has stopped scraping all above road surface objects for me; the answer was simple. It sits in my driveway looking as sexy as ever; but goes nowhere after dropping it's coolant on the way to Phillip Island. About to go and investigate; I suspect the achilles heel; the water pump. It had a Lance Dixon 4 yr service at 32000km in April 2016; invoice shows new pump and belt kit and all fluids replaced. Now done 40000km.
Any AROCA member have a set of Cam locks I can borrow on a non permanent basis, would be appreciated.

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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2019, 09:05:01 PM »
What makes you think it's the water pump? There is more than one weak point in the 159 cooling system.
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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2019, 02:42:01 PM »
About to purchase a trolley jack and it'll be a low profile one obviously.

The 1750TBi is regarded as bulletproof, but it certainly has coolant issues:
  • Two cracked header tanks
  • Water pump bearing failure
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Bulletproof but maybe not waterproof?
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Re: 159 TI too low
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2019, 03:18:47 PM »
Well it does use the same water pump as the 156 and thus has the same weaknesses/limitations.

Have a read of my "Dirty Wheels II" article in the November 2017 edition of the Qld Alfa magazine and you'll see a classic example
of just what can go wrong with these pumps in the 1750TBi engine.

http://www.arocaqld.com/downloads/magazine/psa201711I2TD7KWQ.pdf
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