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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2014, 10:04:20 PM »
at the quoted costs - i don't think it's worth the repair - i'd part it out / scrap it and buy another car with the $5-6k

realistically, your car would be barely worth that once repaired anyway.

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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2014, 10:06:15 PM »
The JTS motors are more prone to wearing out camshafts, due to the oil dilution problems these JTS motors suffer from, the twin spark motors don't have direct injection, therefor the oil stays cleaner, but both engines won't tolerate low engine oil levels.
If you have a JTS engine and do a lot of city driving, change the oil at 5,000klms.
Alfa Romeo recomend 10-40 for the twin spark and 10-60 for the JTS as the JTS has a different piston ring design, that burns a bit more oil.
The early JTS, like mine has 10-40 as the recomended oil, but a spate of engine failures made Alfa Romeo upspec the oil to 10-60, Colin.

10w60 is also recommended for the twin spark in spirited use.

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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2014, 10:11:37 PM »
at the quoted costs - i don't think it's worth the repair - i'd part it out / scrap it and buy another car with the $5-6k

realistically, your car would be barely worth that once repaired anyway.

Thats also true. If you are happy with a 5-6k car then its not worth fixing, All depends on the person. If you are happy to drive a lower end car than the gt then don't repair. If you want a similar type of car and can afford it just buy another one. It all comes down to the $$$$ and whether you decide to keep the car or not once fixed.

I would be wrecking it at home to salvage some of the costs if you decide not to repair


« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 10:13:41 PM by ANG156 »

Mick A

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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2014, 11:39:21 PM »
I love how everyone just assumes this guy has a home workshop and the space and equipment and time and resources to part out a car. Maybe he isn't mechanically minded and isn't able to do this?

Get over yourselves!

He also has the option of FIXING the car. This is still cheaper than buying a new car.
Yes he will have spent a lot of money, but he will have a working car, and the car he obviously wants or he wouldn't have bought it in the first place.




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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2014, 11:57:34 PM »
calm down.

not everyone has suggested that his only option is to dismantle it himself and part it out - he can seek to sell it as is... not the first time I've seen it on ebay or gumtree... approach euro/alfa dismantlers etc...

obviously he does have the option of fixing it - but he knows that! OP raised that option himself.

it may not necessarily be cheaper than fixing - heaps of good - modern alfas at that price point including facelift 156 JTSs... there are many options for the OP to consider.

He wisely sought advice, and the advice he has been given is not necessarily wrong due to your having an ostensibly different view.

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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2014, 06:51:05 AM »
Correct.

The "get over yourselves" comment was aimed at ANG156 for his "you have two options" advice. Which I believe to be bullshit.

My apologies I should have been more specific.


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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2014, 06:36:34 PM »
Correct.

The "get over yourselves" comment was aimed at ANG156 for his "you have two options" advice. Which I believe to be bullshit.

My apologies I should have been more specific.

Thanks for aiming that get over yourselves comment at me, Choderboy. I actually erred in my original post that the options should be keep and repair or 2) buy another car and wreck the GT (i have now amended the post). Small mistake which seems to have landed me in strife in your books. If you actually read my post it does illustrate to the original poster the cost benefits of repairing his car.

The sheer manner in which you have responded and directed that worthless comment to me demonstrates to all YOU lack internet forum ETIQUETTE to be part of this online community. I suggest that before you take a swipe at someone in the future you think twice and try and keep this place free from such negative comments. All the best mate and remember its just words.

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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2014, 08:07:43 PM »
Personally speaking, i am old skool and beleive in fixing things, rather than throwing them away, the owner of the GT, which is a nice car should get a firm quote to see how much it would cost to put a good second hand JTS engine, with a warranty, i have trouble scrapping Alfa Romeo's as i love them so much!.
A secondhand GT has got to be more interesting than a second hand Hyundai, Colin.
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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2014, 08:27:51 PM »
Ok

I take your comments onboard and I agree with you.

I do lack what you call "forum etiquette".

My apologies for causing any offense.

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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2014, 10:29:36 PM »
Hey, im the owner of the GT, thanks for your input everyone. I understand how cars work etc but i have very little experience when it comes to fixing cars and i don't have the tools or the time to do it myself.  I am a uni student so obviously don't have a lot of money to play around with. ideally i would like to get the car fixed as its a great car and i love driving it (apart from when it blew up on the freeway).

Ive been quoted around 5400 to fix it, main sticking point is the cost of the second hand engine which is why the quote is so high.  most wreckers and second hand alfa part dealers are asking roughly 3k for a second hand engine generally 150,000 kms and above and refuse to provide any warranty on the engine, only have their word to go on.

Does anyone know of anyone that is wrecking a car with a JTS engine privately? I did find someone selling a great JTS engine the other day for 1k privately but they sold it before i had a chance to get it.

thanks

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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2014, 01:02:05 AM »
Hello owner of the GT,

Yes you might find something on ebay or gumtree or something along those lines, and it will probably be a bit cheaper. But then you've still got to have it fitted, so you'll need to have a workshop do that if you aren't able to do it yourself as you mentioned. So the only hassle really will be getting it there.

The only thing is if a workshop fits the engine for you, since they didn't provide it they will not offer you a warranty on the engine, only the labour. But if you purchase the engine from a workshop that also fits it, then you will have a warranty on parts and labour.

Also if you buy a s/h motor, you would be silly not to put a new cam belt, balance shaft belt, idlers and tensioners on it. So there's about another $400/500 on bits.

Anyway, food for thought. Hope you get your car running again soon.

Cheers

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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2014, 10:25:10 AM »
Hey mate,

Thanks for the response, I have a mechanic that I regularly go to and trust so I'd prefer he do the work rather than having another workshop doing it as I know he will only do what's necessary and not try and drive the price up. We have enquired about buying second hand engines off workshops and none would provide warranty on the engine as they say that there is the possibility that owner might run car low on oil or thrash it and they shouldn't be liable for that. Also workshops seem to mark up the price of a second hand engine considerably making the overall price of fix around 5400 (including timing belt, water pump etc), hence why I'm trying to find a private engine for under 2k to make the whole process more in line with what I can afford.

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Re: Gt jts engine rebuild
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2014, 07:08:21 PM »
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/rockingham/wrecking/alfa-romeo-156-sedan-2003-jts-wrecking-120-000-klms/1053248314

^that^

Check the engine type code. Have them do a compression test and let you know the details and get it bought and with a courier.  You only need the long block (engine minus any ancillaries). Fit new belts (and braces) and off you go.

Job done, NEXT!
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