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Racing => Historic Group S Racing => Topic started by: alfagtv58 on November 08, 2007, 01:28:06 PM

Title: Historic Sandown
Post by: alfagtv58 on November 08, 2007, 01:28:06 PM
This weekend sees the final Historic meeting in Victoria for season '07.  There will be a handful of Alfas competing and it will see the debut of Tony Prowse in his immaculate 105 (another red one!).  Spencer Rice will make the trip from NSW to compete in the Group N (under 3 litre), lets hope this event will be a little better than his last trip south of the border at Winton where there was substantial damage done to his very quick 105.

Historic Sandown this year is featuring the Mustang, and there will be lots of them competing and in static displays.  This will include Allan Moffat's 1969 Boss 302 Trans-Am Mustang, among other significant cars like Norm Beechy's, Bob Jane's etc.

This is also to be the first completly carbon neutral race meeting to be held in Oz, with a portion of the entry fee's being donated to Greenfleet, they will use this money to plant a number of tree's.

Jim Richards has been named Patron of the meeting.

Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 08, 2007, 03:19:51 PM
Guy's, I am (again) a late withdrawal due to some family health issues.  Hope you all have a great weekend.  Hopefully I can get on the track next year.

SF
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: vin sharp on November 08, 2007, 10:08:41 PM
Spencer Rice has just left here after he stopped in en route to Sandown.
I should have thought to take a picture of his car to post here; it is now dual apple green stripes over white body. Kind of hard to imagine, but it really does look good.
It now also  sports a pair of Victorian Club Shop serpents as well, I've assured him that these alone are gauranteed to take a least 1 sec/lap off his times. Damn good value those serpents, pay a visit to the club shop on line and get yours now!!!
See you out there on the weekend.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Victor Lee on November 08, 2007, 10:58:06 PM
I need lots of serpent stickers then!
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: branko.gt on November 09, 2007, 12:10:06 AM
you don't need serpents, you have Mary to make your car go fast  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Ray Pignataro on November 09, 2007, 07:51:13 AM
Victor did you see how fast Branko got in leaving me no time to state the obvious. You (and I ) need velcro serpent stickers so we can add and remove them pending on who is driving. Ps have got the new motor in the car. goes to Bennincas next wed. for dyno. cheers
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: alfagtv58 on November 09, 2007, 06:24:02 PM
Free practice today....not sure of times, but boy, its a fast field entered in Group S.

I saw Spencer with the new look 105 today too, Vin is correct, it looks great!
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Paul Gulliver on November 10, 2007, 12:14:57 AM
Lime  green and a classic 105 coupe are not neccessarily top of mind but it certainly does look good in the flesh.
Spoke to Spencer today said his times were down today as he appears to have lost 3rd gear somewhere between Sydney & Sandown
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 12, 2007, 12:48:16 AM
Race results available on natsoft: http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?11/11/2007.SAND

I'm waiting to hear about the DNF in race 3, Phil - I hope nothing too serious????
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 12, 2007, 09:30:43 AM
Hey, Phil stop working and give us a full race report....
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: alfagtv58 on November 12, 2007, 09:39:25 AM
I had a pretty bad day yesterday, I got punted off in turn one of race 2 (came from nowhere, I didn't know anything about it until I was in the grass) and the same guy that punted me off was playing silly buggers and he backed off coming onto the front straight (while I was up close behind him) and I gave him a small tap from behind --- he was driving a 240Z and the previous two laps he had pulled away from me at the same point.



Then in R3 I tried to pass (the same guy) and couldn't make it stick so I had a spin (my mistake) all by myself got some dirt on my tyres and the re-joined the track and went to turn left at turn 4 and understeered straight into the armco....it was a pretty big accident, the car is quite damaged (mostly panel, all along the drivers side)....too much I think to make Bathurst given Claudia is about to be off work for 6 months plus, we just don't have the $$ to fix it.



Then to add insult to injury, the guy that punted me off went and complained to the stewards about my driving........



To be honest I am devastated, gutted, angry, upset......Group S racing shouldn't be this aggressive (or political).  It was the last race for me for the year, what a disaster.

Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 12, 2007, 09:41:41 AM
Mate, that is awful.  Which 240z?  Surely we can get you back for PI and Bathurst????
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: alfagtv58 on November 12, 2007, 10:09:55 AM
By the way, a huge congratulations to Spencer Rice in his 105 who won the feature race 3 of Group N under 3 litre, and also set a new Sandown Lap Record of 1.28.4 for that class.  A monumental effort, given that Friday and Saturday he only had 2nd and 5th gears.  Spencer together with Vin and Anthony Sharp came to the rescue (among others) and pulled the gearbox out fixed it and put it back in all on Sunday morning before Spencer's first Sunday race.  There were people under the bonnet, inside the car, and under the car all at once working flat out to get it done, I think it was probably the busiest part of the paddock yesterday morning.

Gotta love this club and the willingness of people to roll their sleeves up and help out. ;D
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Fast Eddie on November 12, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
i received a report overnight from my Dad, who was there all day spending his time with his various mates that compete - Laurie Bennett in his FFord, Colin Starck in his Renault Alpine, Andrew Robson and his F500 Lola...

Phil, Bad luck attacking Peter's armco @ turn 4.  Very dented pride i am sure, not to mention the wallet and the shock of being "reported".

That's when onboard camera's come into it.  Pity he didnt approach you first like a gentleman that Historic racing is meant to be all about rather than slink off to cover his poor performance by attacking someone else's reputation.

As for the camaraderie that Evan mentions - there were some great photos taken so look out for these in the mag.

Well done to the other punters out there sliding the Serpent around the circuit - Anthony Prowse and Nick Rahimtulla (over from Perth).

Jealousy is a curse :'(
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Enforcer on November 12, 2007, 11:52:59 AM
Commiserations on your Sunday Phil, sometimes unfortunately you are going to have those days. Just an incentive to find more speed, to get away from them! If he drives like he does then I'm sure what goes around comes around. We've all had them, you just need to put it down to experience and move on. One thing you can guarantee about "racing incidents", everybody has an opinion, so don't feel too bad about it.

Got Spencer's report on the mobile last night, sounds like he had a bit of pressure to perform after the efforts of everybody in the pits, and he came throughin style. I don't know what was going on down there but it seems like there was a bit of carnage in Grp N under too. Apparently it was in front of Spence in R1 (he set the LR fighting back) and luckilly behind him in R2.

Regds

Bill
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 12, 2007, 12:00:47 PM
 :o  So sorry to hear that Phil - hope you can make it back to the track as soon as possible and next time stick it in front of the Datsun.

....

Got any photo of the carnage???  <devil>
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Victor Lee on November 12, 2007, 12:15:01 PM
Phil:  Ditto to Evan's reply!  As Bill says, what goes rounds comes round.  Chin up and we'll see you at the Club nite.

Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Paul Newby on November 12, 2007, 12:20:58 PM
Hi Phil, sorry to hear about your battered and bruised Alfetta. Hopefully its not too bad and can be quickly (and cheaply) fixed.

Don't know why, but of the four times that I have received panel damage three of those have involved Datsuns - 240Z and 2000 Sports. Admittely one of these was my fault, but the other two ...  >:(

Maybe its because, like Alfettas, Zs are cheap to buy and fix. Plus also like Alfettas they seem to be multiplying rapidly on the Group S grids... ::)

Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: alfagtv58 on November 12, 2007, 01:05:44 PM
Thanks for the support folks.

I should try and concentrate on the positives from the weekend (ie. Saturday!) to qualify 12th at Sandown (where the 2 litres should have been nowhere) with that field full of Porsches, Corvette's, and Pantera's was a real buzz, far outweighing my expectations.  Some great racing too with Steve Schuler in the Corvette, Geoff Pike in the MG, and Don McKay in his Datsun (different car to the other one!).....a lot of fun!

No photos of the car, I couldn't bring myself to take photos just yet....to upset :'(

Edward, please pass on my thanks to your Dad, he was a lot of help immediately after when I returned to the paddock, and I probably seemed a bit dismissive of his support, but it didn't go unnoticed and it was appreciated.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 12, 2007, 05:08:00 PM
Phil,  I think you are now thinking the right way - you did a pretty bloody good job on the weekend, good times in a very fast field - although panel damage hurts and shouldn't be a part of this gentleman's category it does happen when racing. 

Please tell me you'll make Bathurst.....
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Fast Eddie on November 12, 2007, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: Phil Baskett on November 12, 2007, 01:05:44 PM
Thanks for the support folks.


Edward, please pass on my thanks to your Dad, he was a lot of help immediately after when I returned to the paddock, and I probably seemed a bit dismissive of his support, but it didn't go unnoticed and it was appreciated.


cheers Phil,i will pass your thoughts on although he is probably reading thsi anyway
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: hmd on November 15, 2007, 10:56:54 PM
Bad luck Phil,

I didn't join Group S for rubbing racing  :(
It's bad enough with 'accidents' like the one I had at Winton  >:(
Hopefully you will get the car back better than before and in no time.

Hung.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 16, 2007, 02:11:24 PM
Hung,

Ready for the Dec 16 AROCA sprint?
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: hmd on November 17, 2007, 12:05:28 PM
Yes,

I will tow you down the straight then you can pull me along all the bendy bits  ;D
If they let us run in the same group.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 19, 2007, 08:30:31 AM
Sounds good.  See you there.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Ricey on November 20, 2007, 09:51:04 PM
I would like to say thanks for all the support and help during the weekend from all including Laurie, Justin, Ian, Phil, Graeme (who travelled down from Sydney), Marie, Elisha (my better half) and of course Anthony and Vin.

If it were not for you guys the silverware would not have gone to the Marque we like the best!

S.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 20, 2007, 09:52:46 PM
Do you have any photos to share?

thanks,
Evan.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Ricey on November 20, 2007, 09:56:48 PM
If I can figure out how to attach them Evan!

S.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Ricey on November 20, 2007, 10:02:43 PM
This shot is courtesy of SDpics.....

S.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Ricey on November 20, 2007, 10:06:41 PM
These shots are courtesy of your fellowclub member Gordon Hellsten....

S.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 20, 2007, 11:06:41 PM
I'll tell ya what, the paint job does look good.....when described it didn't sound "right", but the car looks fantastic.

Good to see you beat the Bimmer.
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 20, 2007, 11:10:28 PM
Looks like I just found myself a new wallpaper - thanks SDPics!
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 20, 2007, 11:31:57 PM
(http://www.sdpics.com/cgi-bin/store/imageLeech.cgi?source=IF&ct=1195561145&file=/8000~Motor_Sport/9000~Cars/06~Historic_Racing/43~9-11_November_2007_-_SANDOWN_HISTORICS/12~Sa_Sb_Sc_and_Invited/MQ0Y5949.jpg)
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: alfagtv58 on November 21, 2007, 09:09:20 AM
Actually, I like this one....

http://www.sdpics.com/cgi-bin/store/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=8000~Motor_Sport/9000~Cars/06~Historic_Racing/43~9-11_November_2007_-_SANDOWN_HISTORICS/12~Sa_Sb_Sc_and_Invited&image=MQ0Y5313.jpg&img=105&tt=&tfile=tn_MQ0Y5313.jpg
Title: Re: Historic Sandown
Post by: Simon Bidese on November 21, 2007, 09:13:04 AM
some great photo's there, Phil next time a bit harder and you should be able to lift a wheel!!!