Hi guys,
I am making inquiries into shipping over 4 alloy under trays at once. The suppliers i am aware of are ALFASTUMPER (DK) and ALFISTI (GER).
http://alfastumper.dk/oscommerce_st/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=270_1_8&products_id=61
http://shop.alfisti.net/Tuning-Styling/Alfa-156/Motor-Airfilters/Aluminum-Engine-Guard::2910.html
As you can see in the links above, the alloy unit is a lot stiffer and wont sag unlike the stock plastic tray, with many perished by now... For lowered cars, it is essential as it provides between 22mm rear to 40mm front more clearance than the stock unit (when that is not itself sagging) this could prevent scrapping the ground on poor roads, driveways and speed humps.
Of course you won't have to have a lowered car to appreciate this upgrade replacement.
I figure 4 per order is the max, as if i have the pricing figured out right, it's approx $200 ea, and we won't want to tip over the import and gst levy... maybe 5 units max... but we could also organise 2 orders if we get many interested people...
Trays can be ordered to suit 4 and 6 cyl, 156, 147 and GT models.
it's a bit more expensive at alfisti, and stumper in what looks like a lover's tiff claims their unit is better as well, but we'll see what the best both can do and go from there...
The item will be shipped to me, and i can supply it at either Bentleigh, Parkville, CBD or the next alfa meet!
so who is in?
This has also been posted at the other alfa site!
cheers
Joe
first round of 4 trays completed. Will update if there is a further order!
thanks
Would be good to get an update on the transaction once completed.
Where did you go Alfisti or Stumper? and how much for each under tray to be delivered?
stumper. circa $200ea when ordered by 4.
Nice one Wankski. I would have been "in" only that I ordered mine a few weeks ago.
For potential TwinSpark purchasers, please be aware that there are a couple of undertray variants depending if it is a Euro2 or Euro3 spec, so it's best to provide your ZAR chassis number.
I may be interested in the second shipment but i will try to get a friend on board who has been busting my chops to find him one.
The Zeatek/Alfa Stumper undertray arrived today. It looks nice, well made and sturdy gauge. Check it out.
Hi guys I'm interested in a second shipment. Ive got a 147 Gta. Just a quick query - do they also have the carbon fibre undertrays & whats the best way to fix these undertrays to the car
Quote from: 155 lover on January 17, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
Hi guys I'm interested in a second shipment. Ive got a 147 Gta. Just a quick query - do they also have the carbon fibre undertrays & whats the best way to fix these undertrays to the car
Alfa Stumper don't seem to have a carbon fibre undertray although I have seen them on cars, so they are available from somewhere. The undertrays should just use the standard torx screws, allen screws and bolts as per standard plastic/fibreglass tray.
No problems. Thanks for the info.
Anyway, I'm definitely keen for one of these aluminium undertrays for my 147 GTA. If people go in for a group buy again, please send me a message and let me know. I need one within the next six months, so will probably go it alone if I don't hear from anyone.
Thanks,
Daniel.
hi mate, i see u live in SA. it is not economical to post this interstate, the savings on the group buy will be eroded by courier (oversize, greater than 120cm)... best go it alone... pretty reasonably priced for what it is...
i say get it while the dollar is good!
I installed my undertray and thought I'd show a couple of pics for anyone interested. Installation was a cinch and the extra good news was that it fitted without issues over the OMP Wishbone bar.
The only minor beef I have with it is - unlike the plastic undertray - you can't access the sump bolt and change your oil without taking the undertray off. Nothing a grinder can't fix!
nice...
i couldn't do that on my v6 anyways so no loss... i like how this one covers the sump, i'm shit scared of cracking mine!
do you know what the fixing bolts are? orgie and I lost a few on the EMR today.... it's dragging along now! :-[
i think stumper told me they are standard m5 or m6 bolts?
i think it's the standard thread bit i can't quite bring myself to believe... true story??
There are 5 Torx bolts for the front (6mm?). The standard undertray then uses 2 Allen and 2 regular bolts both the same size at the back of the tray (sorry but not sure what size they are). As the new Alu Undertray doesn't have holes for where the 2 Allen bolts would go, you could reuse either of those Allen ones to fit the very rear ones if they are lost.
Hi all
I went and ordered my undertray for my 147 GTA however there is a problem. The undertray is pressing hard against the hard and soft Air con lines, and is very close to the oil cooler lines. Has anyone else had these problems? I've emailed alfa stumper to check I got the right part, but short of that, I'm not sure what to do....
nope.. can u take a photo? i can tell u if it's the right one... all v6 trays are the same... the JTS and TS trays differ...
The photos are too big to attach from my phone, however I've just visited the mechanic and he is right. Because the zeatek undertray doesn't have the front lip (its flat), the metal air con line bulges and is leaving big scratches on the tray. When the car is running the vibration causes worse scratches. The tray can be fitted, but not without avoiding these lines touching the tray. My guess is that most people fit them and dont worry about the rubbing - however over time I think this will cause a hole in either the air con or oil lines, or the undertray. I'm a bit miffed because the lip that is on the moulded one was obviously not thought of in designing this tray. This is a problem for the 147gta at least.
I'm speaking to a panel beater about knocking out some cups for the lines to sit nicely in, but id be interested to hear from anyone with a v6 if they have since checked the tray and noticed rubbing/scratching
i do have a v6 i don't have this issue... you can email me the photo...
wankski at hotmail dot com
Just FYI i wrote to the guy at alfastumper and this is the reply I got:
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The main purpose of the tray is to give maximum ground clearance, which is why it is designed to fit very snugly up against the underside uf the engine bay components.
I understand the problem you report. You do have the correct tray for your 147 GTA. This problem stems from a small difference in the way your individual car was assembled or possible reassembled after a repair. While i am aware of the problem, it only exisits on a small percentage of the GTA models. From what i have learned over the years, mainly 147 GTA models. The 156 GTA, 147 GTA, and GT 3.2 all uses the same tray, and is in theory identical, as it uses the same engine, gearbox, aux components and sub frame. For unknown reasons some oil cooler and A/C coolers are positioned 3-5 mm lower then the majority, , which causes the pipes to come into contact with the tray. The whole cooling system can be repositioned at the brackets.(lifted upward a bit) or you may opt to use a ball point hammer to make an indent in the tray. (alloy is quite flexible) or simply to cut holes in the tray. (this will cause oil and AC lines to be exposed.
The fix is a relative simple and straight forward job, so I would hope your mechanic is able to solve it?
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Anyway, I'm a bit unhappy with his response - the fact that they know of this problem "mainly" with the 147 GTA to me suggests that it is a 147 GTA specific thing - it has a smaller engine bay (I assume) than the GT or 156 GTA and therefore the engine is more squashed in - meaning some of the lines sit a bit lower than in other cars - this is my theory anyway. And it's not a small area that has to be knocked out, it is going to be something that is at least 10cm x 10cm and it will have to be at least 10mm deep to allow for the vibration of the engine. The moulder undertray has quite a steep lip at the front to allow for these lines and I'm suprised they haven't allowed for it similarly on the aluminium one.
Anyway I think this will be a 147GTA issue for these under trays - nice product, good quality, but for the 147 GTA, allow a few $ for a panel beater to modify the tray to fit the bulging air con and oil lines.
Has repositioning the oil line/air conditioning hose been explored on your car?
I have one of these under trays and will it soon be fitted (when I get off my butt and book it in for a service), I'll kep an eye on your concerns and try and get some pics.
These trays are about $200 delivered from OS (in a bulk order), which is a fair sight cheaper than other under trays options.
Repositioning those lines would be quite a bit of work. Its a very nice undertray, just wish I'd known and could have allowed for some panel beating work!
i don't really agree soz.
the gt was a coupe version of the 147 down to the canbus system. they would have the same or very similar bay size...
i think the tray is excellent and the 4 ppl i had the trays delivered for fitted it without this issue... this includes a gt v6.
alfa varies things. I wanted to import the alu sele paddles as they are greatly superior but guess what i found? alfa varied the pods without rhyme nor reason making a universal fitment impossible.
the whole point of the tray is increased clearance for lowered cars. it's actually only 20mm higher clearance at the front and around 40mm at the rear... what you are suggesting would eliminate more than half the clearance gain for all v6 owners.... again 4 outta 4 didn't have this problem but they are all lowered.
all i can say is i rate the product 8.5/10.... if price is considered, 9.5/10.
the gb price was $200, u can't get an aussie under the car for that money! and this tray isn't made in the third world, but laser cut in denmark. i for one praise stumper for even making these available. crap plastic tray price from Au Alfa? try upwards of $400. your choice.
I have no commercial relationship with stumper.
I agree its a great product - especially for the price. However they should probably be up front in buying that some models require a slight modification. At least then I would have known from the get go.
Hi guys
I'm new to this forum but am interested in an alloy undertray for my 147gta.
Any news as to whether there's enough interest for a second shipment?
Max
Stuart Thompson in Vic organised production of a few carbon fibre undertrays for the V6 but were a bit more expensive than the $200 price range.
Quote from: Max on March 19, 2012, 12:48:26 AM
Hi guys
I'm new to this forum but am interested in an alloy undertray for my 147gta.
Any news as to whether there's enough interest for a second shipment?
Max
i'm not organising another one... it doesn't make that much sense and pick up is a pain... the group buy meant a saving of 35-40 bux, but they had to pick up from me... not really worth it as stumper has excellent shipping to your door.
item too large to ship interstate economically (would exceed savings)... that said if someone is game to organise and 3-4 others want in and are willing to PU go for it!
Quote from: John Hanslow on March 19, 2012, 04:52:09 PM
Stuart Thompson in Vic organised production of a few carbon fibre undertrays for the V6 but were a bit more expensive than the $200 price range.
that's cool 8)
My undertray from Stumper cost 648DKK or around AUD108.00 in shipping for the single item.
I contacted Stuart Thomson a few weeks ago about the kevlar undertrays. He said the guy who made them for him last time is overseas at the moment but wants to try and get him to make some more when he gets back in a few months.
If that falls through i might just order one from Alfa Stumper direct.
Quote from: Brad M on March 09, 2012, 06:07:51 AM
I have one of these under trays and will it soon be fitted (when I get off my butt and book it in for a service), I'll kep an eye on your concerns and try and get some pics.
No pics, but had similar issues to "155 lover" the left side had some spacers installed to avoid the rubbing and the bending of metal.
Just had an alternator replaced by Franks Pitstop at Summer Hill. PH (02)97997688
He mentioned while I was there that he carries stock of alloy undertrays.
I'd hunted everywhere and imported one myself at crazy shipping price.
He brings them in in batches so shipping is reduced.