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Technical => 105/115 Series (105 Coupe/Spider/Berlina) => Topic started by: Evan Bottcher on November 26, 2006, 11:45:07 PM

Title: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 26, 2006, 11:45:07 PM
Today Fiona and I extracted our '69 GTV from a farm shed.  Under a good tarp it really looked exactly the way we left it 6 years ago!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on November 27, 2006, 08:54:41 AM
Evan, it looks fantastic......what are your plans for it ???  Look like an ideal candidate for Group Sb ;D
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: branko.gt on November 27, 2006, 10:33:28 AM
What are the plans with the car?
I hope you are planing to put an engine into it ?

Group Sb would be a good thing for that car!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 27, 2006, 05:03:04 PM
I've heard stuff like "good road car" and "restoration", but I'm with you guys - Group Sb!!!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 27, 2006, 08:40:28 PM
Cheeky buggers.  :P

This one's actually Fi's and is definitely going to be the road car.  It's all there and proper and accounted for with all the brightwork and little fiddly bits.  It needs a reasonable amount of bodywork done though so might take a couple of years to do it slowly.  The motor's in storage elsewhere waiting for some attention.

Sorry guys... we're sticking with the Sudsta.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 27, 2006, 11:05:34 PM
We won't give up
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 23, 2006, 09:47:01 PM
Fi, Jack, and I started pulling the interior out of the GTV today, especially to get the carpets up and have a look at the floors.  The dash and consoles were out years ago.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 23, 2006, 09:53:55 PM
Once all the carpet and felt stuff is lifted up the floors don't look too bad to me.  I guess we should take up all the body deadener and make sure it's all sound underneath.  Any opinions?

Took the door trims away also and both doors are just destroyed.  The left hand door frame has been really poorly repaired at some stage, and the right has huge rust holes in the bottom of the frame you can poke fingers through.  Anyone got any doors?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 23, 2006, 10:02:45 PM
I expect there's a fair bit of work to be done to the sills on this car, you can see a fair bit of rust in the rear part of the RH sill top and into the B pillar.  I figure if that's what we can see then it'll be bad news underneath.  There's signs of a couple of average repairs in the past.

Yes... this car DOES have sentimental value.

I'd like to keep putting photos up here as we go, sorry that it's YET ANOTHER 105 restoration but it's all fun and new for us.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 23, 2006, 10:08:56 PM
Oh and I got the details of the car's manufacture from the Archivio also.  I love these guys...

---

Dear Mister Bottcher,

with reference to your request we are informing you as follows.

According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 1451729, originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo 1750 GT Veloce RHD (105.45), engine series AR 00548, manufactured on the 17th December 1968 and sold on the 21st December 1968 to J. Wright & Sons from Melbourne, Australia.
The body colour is hawthorn white (AR 013), with black skai interiors.

Yours, Sincerely,

             Marco Fazio

Automobilismo Storico Alfa Romeo
       Centro Documentazione
 
             Antonio Magro
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on December 24, 2006, 04:03:22 PM
Evan & Fi,

Keep those photo's rolling in!  If you are planning on this car being a road car, then I wouldnt bother lifting the body deadner unless you have to for rust repairs.....As for the sills etc, contact Geoff Unsworth, he makes replacement sills for 105's (and after the rust in my Alfetta, he makes sills for these too now!!).

It's great to see another 105 being lovingly restored  :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 24, 2006, 06:05:55 PM
Thanks Phil!

I figure that if any rust is present in the floors under the deadener then it should be obvious without stripping it bare.  Guess I'm just worried about what might be invisible?

Merry Christmas all!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 01, 2007, 11:38:41 PM
Random photos...  slow progress pulling bits off this car.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Colin Byrne on January 09, 2007, 08:00:23 AM
QuoteI figure that if any rust is present in the floors under the deadener then it should be obvious without stripping it bare.  Guess I'm just worried about what might be invisible?
Just be careful Evan, make sure the deadener is all factory, and from the first lot of photo's your floor looks pretty good actually, if it is then your probably all right but if there looks like there is patches of deadener that have been put on latter then you have to see what's underneath.  Just to scare you here's a photo of  the repair to my passenger foot well.  When I first lifted the carpet up I was amazed at how good the floor was,  then I started to get rid of the deadener and found all sorts of crazy stuff underneath.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on October 30, 2007, 10:00:53 PM
I haven't posted any photos in this thread in ages.  This is some work I did a couple of months ago pulling bits off.  I have a tendency to go nuts with the digital camera and take a million pictures for reference.  I then have been bagging things and marking them with tape and felt-tip pen.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on October 30, 2007, 10:02:03 PM
I'm actually posting these in the hope it will inspire me to spend more time in the garage!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on October 30, 2007, 10:03:24 PM
I found some of the screws in the rear side window trim were rusted and the heads stripped.  I had to drill them out which was exceptionally painful.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on May 20, 2008, 02:25:44 PM
Bump.....what is happening Evan, broken arm is no excuse for not working on the car (well alright maybe it is) but either way you need to get back in the shed and update us.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 20, 2008, 09:06:05 PM
Heh - no definitely no excuse in the last couple of months at least.  Absolutely no action at all since October last year.  Not a lot of car action at all, actually.  I *will* however be out at Sandown in the Sud this Sunday which I am very very excited about.  I keep looking wistfully at the GTV, will have to put my thermals and parka on one of these days and get stuck back into it.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 05, 2009, 12:41:46 AM
You might be surprised, but I actually started some more work stripping the GTV!  I got some shelves installed in the garage, cleaned out a bit and made a small start again.  I'm not sure, but this might be the slowest 'restoration' in the history of restorations?  Removed a bit more brightwork and started dissassembling a door.  At least I'm all enthusiastic again.

I had forgotten that the Alfa Romeo Centro Documentazione sent me a full copy of the parts manual and owners guide for the GTV a while back. Must be about 500 odd printed A4 pages double-sided.  It's an awesome reference when taking a car apart (and hopefully putting back together one day).  It also didn't cost me a cent - not even for postage.  Awesome.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Fast Eddie on March 05, 2009, 03:46:53 PM
which they wont do anymore, at least not without a courier fee.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 05, 2009, 11:41:59 PM
I got in very early when I got a sniff that they were doing it - glad I did!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2009, 09:38:07 PM
The doors are fiddly to pull apart - should be a lot of fun to put back together!  The RH door isn't too bad.  The LH door is rotten.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2009, 09:40:20 PM
Question - it's only the passenger side footwell that's meant to have a map pocket?  On the drivers side this car had a piece of carpet with some black vinyl attached to the edge.  The red stitching on the carpet doesn't look original - what's originally on the drivers side?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2009, 09:46:44 PM
Engine bay is a bit empty now.  Need to pull the heater box and hoses, and the brake lines.  Lots of surface (hopefully) rust around the brake reservoir and battery.

Is this battery tray original?

Third photo - on the LH side of the engine bay the panel has unusual folds.  Only one of the folds is matched on the RH side.  Can someone tell me this is how they are meant to look (please)? Looking inside the front guard it all looks pretty straight - no accident damage or repairs evident.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2009, 09:51:59 PM
I pulled the fuel tank out of the boot.  Wish I hadn't, now I can see the rust in the floor of the boot behind where the tank sits.  The boot seal didn't for a few years I think, so water would have sat in this area every time it rained.

The spare wheel well was replaced not long before I got the car, so it seems okay apart from some light surface rust.

The rust in the boot floor is pretty bad where it meets up with the rear panel - lots of bubbles visible now the bumper is off.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2009, 09:54:04 PM
For those who've seen 'Love the Beast'... here's my campfire.  Mostly just me enjoying it though.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Mat Francis on March 19, 2009, 10:02:12 PM
great stuff- that was one hell of an update!
wish i could keep my work area/car looking that tidy during such a project
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2009, 10:06:31 PM
That's the first update in a couple of years so... 

It's a very small work area, so I have to pick stuff up so I can get around the car :-)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: 1750GT on March 19, 2009, 11:16:11 PM
Guys I was interested in the contacts for getting a cars history and documentation (Automobilismo Storico Alfa Romeo Centro Documentazione) and Gary Unsworth for door sills.

Would appreciate contact details, web adress etc. Evan a lot of G & D required for this resto. Good luck and keep sending the photo's, makes interesting reading.

Thanks in advance for the info:

1750GT
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 20, 2009, 12:30:02 AM
The email address for the Archives is CentroDocumentazione@alfaromeo.com.  The bloke's name is Marco Fazio - he responds very promptly, a much appreciated service provided by Alfa Romeo.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 20, 2009, 01:28:30 AM
I found this photo in a thread on AlfaBB about cleaning up a battery tray:

(http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/attachments/gt-1965-1974/114302d1219894511-cleaning-up-battery-tray-dscf1380.jpg)

Shows the same folds in the panel above the battery tray, so I'm happy!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 21, 2009, 10:01:21 AM
I want to throw the car up on jackstands to get under it.  Forgive the numpty question, but what's the best/safest place to put jackstands under a 105?  At the rear I guess that's the axle.  Where on the front?  Should I jack under the spring pans and put stands under the jacking points?

Wish *I* could afford a hoist like some of our members ;)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on March 21, 2009, 10:07:33 AM
QuoteShould I jack under the spring pans and put stands under the jacking points?
That's what I do.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Colin Byrne on March 21, 2009, 11:48:15 AM
hi even
i jack up the front on the big cross member behind the sump, means you can jack the front end up in 1 go but you need a decent trolley jack to do that, a block of wood between the jack and the cross member is a good idea also.(actually i have to jack up one side of the car with a small jack so i can get my big jack under the sump, probably not an issue with your car though).  if you do jack up under the spring pans be carfully when you lower the car onto the stands as there will be a big angle on the bottom arms and the jack could slide out, putting cup of the jack under the bottom ball joint is probably a safer option
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pep105 on March 22, 2009, 09:23:46 PM
Hi Evan

To answer one of your earlier questions theres only one map pocket on the passenger side, on the drivers side footwell theres a vinyl cover with a pattern on it. In the process of removing my interior so i will post some pics to give you an idea of what Im talking about. Only other thing is mines a GT Junior whereas yours is a GTV so there might be a difference there.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AndrewO on March 23, 2009, 07:41:11 AM
My GTV only had the one map pocket on the passenger side.  Driver's was just a flat vinyl panel.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Gary Pearce on March 23, 2009, 11:26:53 AM
Hi Evan,
I believe the best places for the jack stands is the jacking mounts providing your front ones are sound and that isn't the area that you want to work on. This leaves your axles hanging (like on a hoist) for easy attention to joints etc.
I rarely disagree with Colin the guru, but I never jack under the cross member behind the sump because the panel is quiet soft and deforms easily. Don't know how often you will be looking under your restored car but as you know I do and that often makes a difference.
Your garage jack only needs to be a cheapie as our cars are light and you usually are only jacking a corner at a time. You will find that you are using it a lot and the lighter the better for chucking it around the place. It needs to be no more than 140mm when fully lowered and under the front spring plates is good provided you have a rubber block that 1) prevents the slide off effect 2) prevents marking your newly restored powder coated spring plates 3) is handy in a lot of other places like body work that need to be jacked.
The new reproduction plastic battery trays are available from Riambi-Automobilia in Holland for U$45.00 and when painted are unreconisable from the original.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: 1750GTV on March 23, 2009, 10:07:56 PM
My 1970 GTV -
Vinyl map pocket on passenger side.
Carpeted panel on driver side.

When jacking, I must admit I do as Colin suggests - trolley jack under the cross member with a strong piece of timber to spread the load and then place the jack stands under the front jacking points. For safety, I release the hydraulic jack and rejack it until it is just putting light pressure on the cross member and lock it there.

If I take the front wheels off, I sometimes put them under the car behind the jack stands as well. A bit paranoid maybe, but a good friend of my elder brother lost his left lower leg years ago when a car jack (and car) collapsed on him. I was quite young at the time and it left an indelible impression.

I must admit that I never knew that the cross member was relatively soft.

Good luck with your rebuild and keep the pictures coming.

Regards,
Chris
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 24, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
These are just reference pictures, but I'm posting them here just for amusement.  I've pulled the full loom out and it's all in a big box - I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist for a while... damned if I know how it will go back in.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 24, 2009, 10:44:22 PM
Heater box is out - the firewall looks really bizarre all bare like that.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 24, 2009, 10:49:46 PM
I'm starting to pull the brake lines, master cylinders etc.  Going to leave the suspension, steering in place for now until I move the car to where the bodywork will be done.

I'm a little anxious - the rust around the brake fluid reservoir is pretty well into the seams against the firewall and along the rail.  How much of a problem is this?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Gary Pearce on March 26, 2009, 12:11:26 PM
Hi Ev,
The rust behind the brake fluid reservoir is common as the spilt fluid breaks the paint and allows rust to occur. It just needs treating and sanding back and repairing like other areas. It is not really a structual area so not a big issue.
I will do the wiring harness for you if you like.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 27, 2009, 06:58:50 PM
Nice one Gary - that's a very generous offer! I'll definitely be looking for all the help and advice I can get when I get to the reassembly stage.  Right now it seems a long long way away... 

Car is now pretty much bare, just need to pull the brake and clutch masters, brake lines and calipers.  I've left the front and rear screens in and headlining until I can get some help pulling them out.  Then I've got to find some space in a certain club sponsor's workshop and wait for his panel guy to have some time to look at it.

Could be a bit of a wait, so I'll probably set about with the heat gun and get some of the deadener off the floors and find out what atrocities lie underneath...

The race car is fairly well sorted now (and I haven't run it since the 6 hour last year anyway) so I don't have any other distractions, I'm quite keen on this project now.  I'd love to get it down to Bruno's before it gets too cold...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 27, 2009, 09:11:51 PM
off-topic, but here's my 6yo at a dress up day at his School...

When do I get *my* race suit?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: adriank on March 28, 2009, 12:24:41 AM
i wouldn't stress about the wiring, these things are pretty easy i reckon. Wiring diagram attached (for a 74 GTJ) but should be almost the same for your 1750.

Otherwise there's a guy on the Alfa BB who has all the wiring diagrams http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/electrical-diagrams/21571-available-wiring-diagrams.html

Adrian

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: enzo1891 on May 26, 2009, 09:23:16 PM
i remeber this car i pulled the engine and gearbox out when i was an apprentice, does dom still have yor motor and gearbox?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 16, 2010, 10:53:45 PM
Santa came a little early this year.  8)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on December 17, 2010, 09:22:02 AM
Oooohhhhhh...what goodness lies within?  Any box with that packing tape HAS to be exciting  ;D

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on December 17, 2010, 04:13:38 PM
Hi Evan, good to see you are going down exactly the same road I will need to one day with my '69 white 1750. 

I even seem to have the same rust issues you do with your car.  Like all, I too only have the map pocket on the LHS.  Papajam on the BB provides the wiring diagrams. 

One thing I would like to obtain if it were at all possible is to get a photocopy of the manual that the Centro Storico sent you.  I wonder if we could arrange something there ?

I managed to get a pretty rust free door (shell only) off Marc from Milano Spares, but straight unrusty doors, boot lids etc are really hard to find and when you can pricy.  The alternative is to buy new out of the UK.

Re the cills, another option is to get these through Classic Alfa or Alfaholics (UK), they have them in stock, ditto pretty much every part you will need to restore your GTV.  With the strength of the Aussie $ this could be a good option to look into.  Postage costs from the UK are a little pricy but on the other hand turnaround is pretty fast these days (well perhaps not right now before xmas).   I wonder if Santa might have visited such a place already for you?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AikenDrum105 on December 17, 2010, 04:58:16 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on December 16, 2010, 10:53:45 PM
Santa came a little early this year.  8)

That's a lot of Quadrifoglio back issues !
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Scott Farquharson on December 20, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
He's shipping in an SZ piece by piece to avoid the over $1000 GST....
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 21, 2010, 09:44:11 AM
I'm not allowed to open the box until Christmas day  ::)

I know not much has happened on the GTV for ... about a year, but fingers crossed things are going to start moving again soon.  Over Christmas I'm going to try to get out and clean up a bit in the shed.  To get inspired I started a photo journal here:

http://alfa.bottch.com/category/1750-gtv/

Of course if anything _actually_ happens I'll also post here...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on December 21, 2010, 03:33:17 PM
Evan I really like your website. Those disassembly shots will come in very handy for me too if I ever put my 67 GT Veloce back together!
BTW Santa is pretty stingy at my house with alfa bits this year.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AikenDrum105 on December 21, 2010, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: Derek Entesano on December 21, 2010, 03:33:17 PM
Santa is pretty stingy at my house with alfa bits this year.

He probably saw you polishing all those NOS shinies you have and mumbling 'The Precioussss'   - decided to give your chimney a wide berth.  ;)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on December 21, 2010, 06:03:09 PM
You mean these ones :P
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Paul Gulliver on December 21, 2010, 06:23:49 PM
Drool
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 21, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
Come off it this thread is thus far about rusty and oily bits not shiny bits! Unfair hijack  8)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on December 21, 2010, 06:43:06 PM
whoops sorry! ;)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 22, 2010, 11:56:38 AM
A couple of questions...

1.  What were the correct hose clamps for a 1968 Alfa?  (I'll have a look in my parts manual later)  What are opinions on modern replacements?
3.  What colour was the plating on the Lockheed large single booster?
2.  Has anybody got the clamp that goes around the radiator overflow tank?
5.  Anybody got an original jack?  I believe the correct type has a plastic handle and a foot plate with knurls to grip the pavement.

I'm making a big ol' list of stuff that I've got and haven't got, and it usually prompts a few questions.

cheers,
Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on December 22, 2010, 12:04:32 PM
Hi Evan,
this is the toolkit and jack that is correct for your car. Sorry dont have a spare.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 22, 2010, 05:34:38 PM
Thanks Derek - I'll have to hunt around the usual suspects or bid ridiculous prices to get one of those jacks methinks.  The correct toolkit may be a lifetime's work.

The way forums work we just jumped over the page fold, so I'm going to re-list my other questions:

1.  What were the correct hose clamps for a 1968 Alfa?  (I'll have a look in my parts manual later)  What are opinions on modern replacements?
3.  What colour was the plating on the Lockheed large single booster?
2.  Has anybody got the clamp that goes around the radiator overflow tank? (or know of a supplier)

thanks,
Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 22, 2010, 10:44:05 PM
The surround on the steering column has the usual broken 'towers' where it bolts up at the front.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 22, 2010, 10:45:19 PM
Brake calipers and brake and clutch masters ready for clean up and rebuild.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 25, 2010, 09:38:28 PM
Body repairer came to see the car the other day, and looks like he'll be able to start our project sooner than I expected – possibly as early as mid-January.  I'm not in a hurry it's been waiting a long time but really happy to be booked in and ready to get started.  We discussed what panels are likely to be needed, and I have a list of repair sections that I expect to buy.

Great to have things moving again!  Merry Christmas to everyone and a happy 105 new year!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 25, 2010, 09:46:46 PM
Opened up the boxes shipped from Alfaholics today.  I haven't unwrapped the new seat covers fully – they look amazing however.  This was a big wedge of the most expensive trim items for the project, I still have a long list of items to find either repro, NOS, or to renovate.

A couple more photos here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2010/12/new-bits-1-santa-delivers/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 25, 2010, 10:01:07 PM
Some other bits that arrived recently.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Paul Gulliver on December 25, 2010, 10:04:53 PM
Did Fi make you stay in bed until sunrise. The suspense must have been killing you.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 25, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
Posted some more photos of trim bits we've had lying around in a box for ten years: http://alfa.bottch.com/2010/12/new-and-old-bits-3/

Does anyone know a source of reproductions (or NOS but sheesh) of the grab handles?  As in the second image below.  I remember trying to polish the alloy case on these and it's okay, but would prefer new and haven't been able to find any.  I have new white plastic lenses (somewhere).
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 29, 2010, 09:38:01 PM
A shipment from IAP in the states. Inner and outer headlight rubbers, a boot (trunk) seal, and some rubber floor bungs.  Nothing exciting here, but satisfying nonetheless.  Should hear from body restorer this week with a timeline to start work.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 29, 2010, 09:52:32 PM
Car is almost ready to wheel out to the panel shop.  Pulling some more bits off but leaving it on it's wheels for now.

Details at http://alfa.bottch.com/2010/12/1750-gtv-december-2010/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 29, 2010, 09:53:47 PM
The plating on these indicators is fairly pitted, I doubt it will rub out so will have to look for some replacements.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 29, 2010, 10:01:39 PM
A couple of weeks back I posted on my website a couple of photos of what the car looked like when we last drove her in 1999.  Only drove her for a few weeks before we took her off the road to do a few jobs, patch some rust, tidy the interior etc.  Funny how time flies.

http://alfa.bottch.com/2010/12/introducing-1750-gtv/

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: mario-jnr on December 30, 2010, 03:36:22 AM
evan i think ive got an origional spare jack for your 1750,it might need some paint but it works,ive just finished my resto on my 72 jnr and i think its in amongst spares colected through the restoration,
if you pay the postage its all yours gratis [who says there is no santa] im in brisbane,if your keen send me a pm or email marioromano5@aol.com  cheers mario
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on December 30, 2010, 05:49:53 PM
Does anyone have a spring compressor suitable for the front end of the 105 that I could borrow in the next couple of weeks? 

If not I'll get some threaded rods and lower the pan that way (method described here (http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/gt-1965-1974/148793-front-spring-removal.html)), but sounds like it'll be heaps easier with the right tool!

Email, PM, or 0400 013 175 - would be much appreciated!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 01, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
I pulled one spring out tonight using the 'threaded rods' technique.  I should have listened to the advice of the alfabb and got a ratcheting spanner - it's a slow and boring process without one.

Bottom of the spring pan looks pretty average - how do you clean these up?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 01, 2011, 11:05:00 PM
Underneath all that dirt, it's a koni!  There's a pair of yellows on the rear as well.

Can anyone tell me what colour the original fitment shockers were?  I'm actually going to look for all the correct colours and plating for the suspension bits - not sure I'll go that far still, but I'd like to know.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on January 02, 2011, 03:24:17 AM
Evan - most likely black Spica units like these:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfa-romeo-parts-sale-wanted/101298-fs-spica-shock-absorbers.html

Alister
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 03, 2011, 03:25:01 PM
So I finally broke something.  Couldn't get the handbrake cable out from the bracket under the floor and broke the bracket trying.  Something to weld up I suppose.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 03, 2011, 03:34:15 PM
One of my favourite things about the 1750 GTV is the main instruments - two large pods very attractive.  Years ago I pulled these apart and dusted inside and cleaned up the glass - the bezels need a polish, but otherwise they look fabulous.

From memory the odometer was not working, and the trip meter definitely does not reset (the cable is cracked around the reset button).  I'll have to look into getting it repaired, or get another one.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AikenDrum105 on January 03, 2011, 09:01:06 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on January 01, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
... got a ratcheting spanner

Hi Evan,

I did it once manually on the duetto, learnt my lesson - geez that's hard work,   and for the Super sprung for a cheapie air ratchet from Super-Cheap.

Quote from: Evan Bottcher on January 01, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
Bottom of the spring pan looks pretty average - how do you clean these up?

I used degreaser, pressure washer and then sprayed with bumper coat - same for all the suspension stuff.    Came up looking like this (shameless plug): http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/sedan-1963-1974/171691-66-super-resto-melb-oz-2.html#post933802 (http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/sedan-1963-1974/171691-66-super-resto-melb-oz-2.html#post933802)

Powdercoating looks great and is heaps more durable  - but dips into the resto budget a bit...

Oh - re the Spica shocks - I just took an original (hosed) set out of the Super - they looks exactly the same as those posted in the link - you're welcome to them if they're any good to you - was going to recycle them in the Sims bin at work :)

Love reading this thread - I had a '71 1750 gtv in Verde Muschio a while back,   Been driving a friends run-down dark blue 1750 gtv while I get the Super roadworthy...  It's been touch and go - spending more time keeping the blue beast running than working on the super some weeks...

Cheers,
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 03, 2011, 10:41:32 PM
Thanks Scott - I'm surprised anyone's enjoying reading this but it's therapeutic for me.  Feels incredibly slow because even at best I only get an hour or two in the garage at a time, and I'm a numpty so I have to stare at things a long time to see how they come apart.

A bit more progress tonight towards getting the car to the body shop.

The pedal pivot has a lot of play, will have to do some research on how to resleeve it.  Even old cars like this have hundreds of parts, I keep turning around and there's another part to remove.  The passenger grab handle is in good condition, just needs replating on the end parts.  The handbrake is also in very good condition, the teeth that lock it in place are all sharp.

Off-side front spring is out – I wanted to remove the rear discs/hubs to detach the handbrake mechanism but the screws are stuck.  Should have asked Santa for an impact driver for Christmas?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 03, 2011, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: aggie57 on January 02, 2011, 03:24:17 AM
Evan - most likely black Spica units like these:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfa-romeo-parts-sale-wanted/101298-fs-spica-shock-absorbers.html

Alister

Thanks Alister.  So what do the concours guys fit?  I might just look for a set of koni yellows so at least the front matches the back...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on January 04, 2011, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on January 03, 2011, 10:41:32 PM
Thanks Scott - I'm surprised anyone's enjoying reading this but it's therapeutic for me. 

Are you kidding me, I'm loving this thread (and the other associated ones, like how to shine up shiny bits).

I'm currently pulling apart my 'spares' car and am finding all this very helpful and motivating.  I must admit, I am not finding all the usual 30+ years worth of dirt though.  I was very lucky that the car I bought was restored in the not too distant past.....it has been a real pleasure and surprise.

I probably should start my own thread  :-[
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on January 04, 2011, 09:02:46 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on January 03, 2011, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: aggie57 on January 02, 2011, 03:24:17 AM
Evan - most likely black Spica units like these:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfa-romeo-parts-sale-wanted/101298-fs-spica-shock-absorbers.html

Alister

Thanks Alister.  So what do the concours guys fit?  I might just look for a set of koni yellows so at least the front matches the back...

Sorry Evan, I don't know.  Those spica units are pretty average compared with Koni's or Bilsteins.  Even when the cars were new many people swapped them out.   Reds at the front and yellows at the back makes some sense given the typical set up is stiffer at the front but then both can be rebuilt and revalved so what they are now may not be what they were when new.

If Top Performance did that there would be some numbers and a date inscribed on the bottom of the shock.  The number is their reference and the date is when it was done.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Sheldon McIntosh on January 04, 2011, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on January 03, 2011, 10:44:49 PM
Thanks Alister.  So what do the concours guys fit?  I might just look for a set of koni yellows so at least the front matches the back...

When it's finished are you going to spend more time have more fun driving it or having people look underneath it?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 04, 2011, 11:03:06 AM
(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1102outcome3.jpg)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: branko.gt on January 04, 2011, 11:37:05 AM
Quote from: aggie57 on January 04, 2011, 09:02:46 AM

...   Reds at the front and yellows at the back makes some sense given the typical set up is stiffer at the front but then both can be rebuilt and revalved so what they are now may not be what they were when new.
....
I thought yellows were harder "sports" and reds are standard, so yellows front - reds back would be a 105 thing? Or have i mixed up my colours  ???
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 04, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
Quote from: Branko Turk on January 04, 2011, 11:37:05 AM
I thought yellows were harder "sports" and reds are standard, so yellows front - reds back would be a 105 thing? Or have i mixed up my colours  ???

I was thinking the same thing.  I suppose they could be revalved but more likely were added at different times and randomly selected.

Quote from: Sheldon McIntosh on January 04, 2011, 10:37:26 AM
When it's finished are you going to spend more time have more fun driving it or having people look underneath it?

This isn't going to be a full concours restoration, just a very tidy car to be used regularly - I don't have the skills or patience to keep a car in concours condition.  Mostly this is just my nerdy curiosity to know what is original.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Anthony Miller on January 04, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
Surely a man of your skills Evan could reproduce the spica lables and attatch them to some freshly black painted konis?  ;)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on January 04, 2011, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Branko Turk on January 04, 2011, 11:37:05 AM
I thought yellows were harder "sports" and reds are standard, so yellows front - reds back would be a 105 thing? Or have i mixed up my colours  ???

No, you have it correct. Both yellows and reds have adjustable rebound damping, but fixed bump damping. The yellows differ from the reds in that the damping is about 30% harder.

Both are progressive in bump with two rates - some of the oil holes through which the oil must go get blocked by a thin metal valve, which gets pushed into action when the shock is pushed hard. FWIW, I believe that the Bilsteins have a different progression mechanism, which isn't a simple 2-level action - can anyone confirm this?

Harder damping is necessary if your springs are harder than normal. Hard springs normally also means higher tyre pressures and/or contact-patch size (tread width), which forms part of the spring rate. The tyre's spring rate is not linear like the springs themselves, but more exponential, so the net rate is complicated - but no part of the stroke can be harder than the spring itself.

Koni yellows are commonly thought to be too hard for standard 105 rear springs, and on the high side for the standard front springs (modulo what I said about tyres). Some people like yellows on the front only (that's my setup), but with standard springs they shouldn't be set too hard.

Too many folk fit very hard dampers in the hope they'll improve roadholding, without understanding the principles of critical damping. Over-adjusting dampers to a very hard setting reduces road-holding, as it prevents the spring from returning to its neutral location as quickly as it could, so the wheel jumps off bumps and doesn't get back on the road properly.  Under-damping causes oscillation past the return point, which reduces road-holding also, but that shouldn't be a problem with any Konis on standard springs, unless they're worn out.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on January 04, 2011, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: Branko Turk on January 04, 2011, 11:37:05 AM
Quote from: aggie57 on January 04, 2011, 09:02:46 AM

...   Reds at the front and yellows at the back makes some sense given the typical set up is stiffer at the front but then both can be rebuilt and revalved so what they are now may not be what they were when new.
....
I thought yellows were harder "sports" and reds are standard, so yellows front - reds back would be a 105 thing? Or have i mixed up my colours  ???

Oops - mea culpa!  Typed and pressed enter too quickly!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on January 04, 2011, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: cjheath on January 04, 2011, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Branko Turk on January 04, 2011, 11:37:05 AM
I thought yellows were harder "sports" and reds are standard, so yellows front - reds back would be a 105 thing? Or have i mixed up my colours  ???

No, you have it correct. Both yellows and reds have adjustable rebound damping, but fixed bump damping. The yellows differ from the reds in that the damping is about 30% harder.

Both are progressive in bump with two rates - some of the oil holes through which the oil must go get blocked by a thin metal valve, which gets pushed into action when the shock is pushed hard. FWIW, I believe that the Bilsteins have a different progression mechanism, which isn't a simple 2-level action - can anyone confirm this?

Harder damping is necessary if your springs are harder than normal. Hard springs normally also means higher tyre pressures and/or contact-patch size (tread width), which forms part of the spring rate. The tyre's spring rate is not linear like the springs themselves, but more exponential, so the net rate is complicated - but no part of the stroke can be harder than the spring itself.

Koni yellows are commonly thought to be too hard for standard 105 rear springs, and on the high side for the standard front springs (modulo what I said about tyres). Some people like yellows on the front only (that's my setup), but with standard springs they shouldn't be set too hard.

Too many folk fit very hard dampers in the hope they'll improve roadholding, without understanding the principles of critical damping. Over-adjusting dampers to a very hard setting reduces road-holding, as it prevents the spring from returning to its neutral location as quickly as it could, so the wheel jumps off bumps and doesn't get back on the road properly.  Under-damping causes oscillation past the return point, which reduces road-holding also, but that shouldn't be a problem with any Konis on standard springs, unless they're worn out.

I remember way-back-when, we used to run yellows at the front with standard springs and at Winton we'd turn up the rebound which had the effect of unloading the inside front wheel on turn in, thereby increasing the load on the outside front which in turn reduced understeer and improved turn in.  Could all have been in the mind of course but then he who thinks he can go faster generally does!

My very first 105 GTV, back in Kiwi Land in the early 80's, had been set up for production racing (the B&H 500 Evan - you'll know of that) and had Koni reds at the front and Gabriel Ryders (Riders?) at the back.  Seemed to work; the car came 3rd overall in an event limited to 2 litre cars, behind a couple of Golf GTI's. 
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 04, 2011, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: aggie57 on January 04, 2011, 05:01:07 PM
the B&H 500 Evan - you'll know of that

I went to New Zealand once.  Very green.  Twisty roads.  Funny accents.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on January 05, 2011, 12:44:49 PM
I have had koni yellows in my '69 1750 GTV for probably 10-12 years, with standard springs, and simply rebuilt but standard suspension.  I also run the car on 14 x 6 BWA Alfa alloys, and I have to say I have never found the ride to be compromised or uncomfortable.  To me the setup gave me peace of mind, in comparison to what it was like when I bought the car. 

I used to have Koni yellows on the front, Koni reds on the same alloys, but with stiff and lowered springs on my 2L Berlina, and rebuilt but standard suspension and found it at times a little skitterish on the track.  The 1750 GTV in comparison feels totally controllable.  I also have Koni yellows on my Fiat AC 124 sport and love them.   
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 05, 2011, 10:16:36 PM
A pair of NOS Carello taillight lenses.  The ones on the shelf off the car aren't too bad actually, but I couldn't resist the lure of ebay 'buy it now'.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 05, 2011, 10:21:59 PM
Well that's the last things I'll pull off the car before it goes to the panel shop.  Trunnion arm was a pain to pull out, but soaking the stud where it bolts onto the diff with WD40 and some persuasion from a shifter and a big lever got it off.  The car is sitting on wheels and ready to move.

It's taken four years to get to this stage.  I guess there's about 4-5 man-days of actual work in that four years stripping the car.  Things stalled mainly while I worked out someone to do the panel and paint work, but now things should move a bit more rapidly... (he says with optimism).
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pep105 on January 05, 2011, 11:27:12 PM
It's nice to see a series 1 1750 with the correct rear taillights. Thats a good find those lenses are rare
especially as it doesn't look like theres any reproduction ones around.  

I find the Koni yellows in the front and reds in the rear works well, especially once I rebuilt the suspension and
not set to the hardest setting.

Evan good thread you've made up a lot of distance in a short time, are you planning on removing the front & rear windscreens as well ?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 05, 2011, 11:36:32 PM
Yeah I forgot about the screens...  I'm scared of breaking them to be honest, particularly the back one which I understand is hard to replace.  Any tips?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pep105 on January 06, 2011, 12:29:51 AM
I managed to get mine out, I also managed to break the front one..........

With the rear screen run your fingers under the seal on the outside and just check to make sure it hasn't been glued or sikaflexed in.
it shouldn't be but you never know.

Then get inside the car, if you've got no interior like I did grab the rear seat cushion and put it in there so you have something to place yourself on. Lying on your back with your arse on the seat stick both feet in the top corners of the rear glass. Then gently but firmly
put pressure on the corners of the rear glass. You should feel the glass start to move and eventually one corner should pop out. Make sure you have someone on the outside just in case the glass flys out. I didn't but you should  :) I found once the top of the rear screen was out completely about half way down, I was able to grab the glass from the outside and manouvre it out.

Process should be the same for the front however mine was glued in, so I spent a lot of time cutting the seal away with a razor blade
right around. After a bit of labour and a lot of swearing in 2 languages I thought I was in a position to get it out. This time a mate of mine was there to help and I was on a high after getting the rear out. With a bit of pressure the glass began to move however it was tight but it seemed like it was gonna come out, I then told him to put his hand where my foot was (probably a mistake) then crack. There may have been part of the seal still glued in which might have been the cause (or my technique  ;) ) no drama I needed a new front screen anyway.............

Also make sure you take out the screens complete as a unit with the anodised trim. That trim is expensive to replace and is an expense you dont need.

If your local Id be happy to give you a hand

Hope this helps

Cheers
Pep


     

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on January 06, 2011, 07:29:35 AM
Evan - who's doing your panel work and painting?  I have two projects to get done this year and Paul Rankins tells me he's too busy.

Alister
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on January 06, 2011, 08:48:58 AM
I am at the stage of needing to remove the front and rear glass too.  I was really worried about damaging the chrome trim, the glass would be nice to keep as is, but the trim is what I was more concerned about!  So I asked around and the suggestion was leaving the removal and refit to the pros (like Windcreens Obrien/Natinal Windscreens/Novus etc.....while they cant guarantee removing without breakage, they are a better chance that you or I with a size 13 hoof in a strategic spot.

I guess it depends on the state of the glass in there at the moment....if its knackered, try it yourself, but be really careful of the rubber and trim.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on January 06, 2011, 08:59:07 AM
I didnt have that problem with my Super. Mine would have come out if I braked too hard!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 06, 2011, 09:03:29 AM
Hmm.  Front screen is pretty rough, it'll be replaced anyway.  The rear should be okay.  Might give it a go anyway.

What's the availability for rear glass these days?  Ten years ago they were not being manufactured anywhere, so you had to hunt.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on January 06, 2011, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on January 06, 2011, 09:03:29 AM
Hmm.  Front screen is pretty rough, it'll be replaced anyway.  The rear should be okay.  Might give it a go anyway.

What's the availability for rear glass these days?  Ten years ago they were not being manufactured anywhere, so you had to hunt.

I don't know but PGI supplied me with a front w/s recently - maybe give them a call.

Re removing and refitting glass, I've used the procedure recommended above several times. It really isn't scary or dangerous, just don't try to get one end out before the other - just get the whole top out evenly and all goes well.

The anodized trim in the rubber is actually easy to get in and out, you don't need a pro for that. Just make sure that you bend the rubber (pulling the slot open), not the trim! To get it in again, you need to clean the slot well - it'll be dusty/gritty - use a toothbrush, detergent and lots of water. Use some o-ring grease, and after fitting it, make sure to push it fully home all round - it has a barb that locks it in.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 06, 2011, 11:47:39 AM
Thanks folks.

Clifford - do you suggest taking the trim out of the rubber before removing the screen, or as Pep said leave the trim in and just push the screen out?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pep105 on January 06, 2011, 02:45:58 PM
Do what Pep said  ;) :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on January 06, 2011, 10:19:08 PM
Definitely don't try to remove it with the windscreen in place! You need to be able to flex the rubber while leaving the trim straight. Any bending in the trim, even if you can straighten it again, shows up forever as discolouration due to the anodising cracking. Ask me how I know ;)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 07, 2011, 09:29:42 AM
Sheldon and I popped out the screens last night.  The rear popped out intact, the front cracked - but it was pretty scratched up anyway so no great loss.  Left the trim on, which I'll carefully pull apart later.  The rubber seals also seem to be in good condition so I'll clean them up and store away.  The metalwork around front and rear screens are solid - one or two small spots of rust at the base of the rear screen.  Compared to the Suds which always seem rotten around the screens, this is great!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Barry Edmunds on January 07, 2011, 10:25:40 AM
Evan
I'd suggest that you leave the rubber seal and trim on the old screens until you get replacements, if only to preserve the rubber in the interim. Might also be worth coating the rubbers with some form of a rubber preservative to keep them from hardening up.
Barry
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 07, 2011, 10:34:32 AM
Thanks Barry - you mean to keep the rubber in shape, and avoid it pinching or cracking?  Will definitely treat the rubber.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on January 07, 2011, 11:10:38 AM
I've had rubbers stored for 26 years in a box, curled up in a triple loop, with absolutely no harm being done. That would have been impossible with the trim left in, and I can't imagine how the trim would preserve the rubber anyway. They would have got bent, and the rubber would have been exposed to the elements too.

Plus, you can't properly clean the rubber with the trim in. Don't use a wire-brush (much too coarse). Remove any old sealing compound before going over it with fine steel wool (I use 0000). It takes about 2 hours to do one rubber properly, very hard on your fingers, but the rubber looks brand-new afterwards.

I didn't treat it with anything, and it doesn't seem to have hardened at all - just surface oxidation which the steel wool removes.

Evan - welcome to drop by and see my car sometime. You know my email.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 07, 2011, 11:49:47 PM
Pics of the screens out, 3-4 small rust holes in the metalwork at the base of the rear screen - doesn't look serious at all.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 17, 2011, 09:48:29 PM
This is the first time the car has rolled out of the garage for a couple of years – going on a flatbed tomorrow morning to the body repairer.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 17, 2011, 09:50:26 PM
I like parcels.  Radiator shroud, and radiator expansion bottle.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 20, 2011, 09:15:52 PM
The GTV goes on a flat-bed to the body shop.  First time it's left here since 2006.  It'll come back all shiny and brand new looking!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on January 21, 2011, 08:19:30 PM
So do you have a time frame?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 21, 2011, 08:57:01 PM
Some time around the middle of the year it should be back with fresh metal and paint.  I normally wouldn't be too optimistic, but this seems to be a pretty firm timeline based on moving premises around then.  I'm not too fussed honestly, it's been sitting for four years already so 6 months or 12 months or 18 months wouldn't hurt me as long as it's moving :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 23, 2011, 12:26:13 AM
Car in it's new home at Sam's.  The roof is stripped, it's had a very minor repair towards the front.  Already showing some former sins, Sam cut a nasty patch off the RH sill, metal had just been layered on top of the rusty section and then bogged up.  The bonnet has been damaged (something jumped on it?) at some point, I've already sourced a good replacement.  Door frames are pretty ugly, so I'm looking for a couple of doors.

We made a big list of repair sections to buy, going to favour getting fresh metal rather than labour-intensive repair.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 23, 2011, 04:34:21 PM
A couple of questions for the experts...

1)  Should my 1968 Series One 1750 GTV have the badge depression in the boot, or should it be flat?
2)  Should there be rubber seals on the exterior door handles?  These are not shown in the parts manual.

thanks!
Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pep105 on January 23, 2011, 09:01:45 PM
Im not an expert but ill give it a go

1. Yes your 1750 should have a badge depression in the boot lid, 1750 & 2000 GTVs had the boot badge whereas Juniors and stepnose
   GT/GTVs didn't as far as I know. My Jnr now has a badge as the bootlid is off 72 2000 GTV

2. I don't believe theres rubber seals,  mine didn't have any and I have been told there aren't any. Judging from the advice in the
   last post in thread below there probably shouldn't be.

http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=6334.0

Hope this helps
Cheers
Pep
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Sportscar Nut on January 23, 2011, 10:32:36 PM
Evan

My understanding is that the S1 1750 should have NO badge depression in the boot lid metal and also confident no rubber seals on door handles.

Interesting that your car was sold by J Wright & Son as always assumed mine was sold by MW Motors at 544 Elizabeth St, Melb (only Melb Alfa dealer in 1969). Believe the "M" is a Manton relation - re Volvo's.

Piecing my 105 interior back together after changing dash/ interior wood/ overhaul instrumentation etc etc. Would love to see your 105 and Sud (of course - the best).

Cheers
Paul
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 23, 2011, 11:23:11 PM
Ok - that's one each way on the badge depression :)  Some more research required, but from what I've read so far I agree series 1 1750 had no depression.

There were door handle gaskets (I've bought some repros from Highwood) but I believe they were only fitted to cars in Germany (?!).  I'll try to find some more out about that...
(http://www.highwoodalfa.com/bertone/ext100118/Door%20handle%20gasket.JPG)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 23, 2011, 11:35:13 PM
Best info on AlfaBB.com suggests the door handle gaskets they were not standard except for cars sold in Germany.  Advised not to try to fit them as they do not fit if they weren't originally on there, and can prevent the handle mechanism from working.  Also found further advice to use silicone when fitting the handles.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 26, 2011, 12:15:15 AM
I posted some photos of bits (mostly rubber bits) I bought from Highwood Alfa about a year ago.
here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/01/new-bits-8/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 26, 2011, 12:52:04 AM
I bought a rebuild kit for the Lockheed single booster (square-ish profile).  Any recommendations for someone to do the rebuild?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 26, 2011, 12:53:15 AM
Tidying up the garage, now the body has gone to Sam's.  I had another set of big shelves put up in the garage (thanks Alby!), so I've been able to stow away properly a lot of the car parts lying around the place.  Having a close look at the bumpers, they look pretty good and straight.  On the rear bumper there are some small dents on the corners pieces - on the little corner plates that cover the join to the side pieces.  Has anyone ever replaced these small sections?

The front bumper looks a bit rugged in the centre - different sized rivets used and awkward fitment.  The bumper does look straight to my eye though...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 26, 2011, 12:59:45 AM
Here's the parts manual page - the parts I'm after are 105.02.59.413.00 and 105.02.59.414.00.  Anyone ever seen replacements?  Or can they be straightened.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AikenDrum105 on January 26, 2011, 02:23:55 AM
Shiny bits !

That rubber pedal seal is second only in pain and anguish to the petrol tank inlet to flap rubber housing...  Boiling water and wd-40.... (and I still split one of mine.. grrr)

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on January 26, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
Hi Evan, all original condition series 1 1750s I have ever seen do have the boot badge in a depression just as later model GTVs.  Similarly, all the books on 105 GTVs I have (and I have quite a number) all show series 1 1750s having the boot badge.  My series 1 on the other hand doesn't, as the bootlid is a replacement, and the replacement bootlid I have bought for my car came off a flushness 1600 and it too doesn't have the depression for the badge.  I needed a better bootlid as mine is rusty on the edge.

Likewise I too can confirm I have never seen the door handle gasket on a 105 GTV. 

Can't help out where to get your brake booster rebuilt but so long as your bumpers are not too bad, given the are stainless steel, a decent bodyworks should be able to hammer out any dents for you and you could then take them to a metal polisher/chrome plater to make them nice and shiny for you.

I havn't tired Highwood in the UK for parts but a mate of mine gets all his parts for his 2L Berlina from them.  I have used Classic Alfa, Alfaholics and Milanos.   In needing a range of parts for both my Giulia Super and 1750 GTV, what I did was do a cross comparison and from my experience it does pay to shop around a little as different suppliers seem to ask different prices.  However, for most of what I needed Classic Alfa were a little less expensive on the whole. 

Look forward to seeing how well your car comes up after Sam has weaved his magic. Dave
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 26, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
Current state of the Lockheed booster.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 28, 2011, 08:27:09 AM
Front indicator / parking light assemblies.  They're a bit butchered.

Rear license plate lights are rusted firmly in place.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 28, 2011, 08:31:31 AM
Right hand front quarter window (second photo) - I broke off the little cast pivot stud.  Doesn't look repairable, so looking for a replacement window frame.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv100 (Biggus) on January 28, 2011, 09:22:56 AM
Hey Evan,

I have a right hand side indicator assembly in pretty good condition and the A-pillar window frames if you are interested.

Cheers,
Marco.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on January 28, 2011, 11:49:23 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on January 28, 2011, 08:31:31 AM
Right hand front quarter window (second photo) - I broke off the little cast pivot stud.  Doesn't look repairable, so looking for a replacement window frame.

Evan,

I have a pair of these frames here which I doubt I'll ever need.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 29, 2011, 09:49:46 PM
Thanks all for replying - sometimes I follow up offline and forget to post a thankyou even just for encouraging words or advice.  Much appreciated.

cheers,
Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 29, 2011, 09:53:32 PM
Received the first shipment of panel repair sections from Classic Alfa in the UK. 
http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/01/1750-gtv-%E2%80%93-january-2011-8/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 30, 2011, 12:01:10 AM
Quote from: cjheath on January 07, 2011, 11:10:38 AM
Remove any old sealing compound before going over it with fine steel wool (I use 0000).

Dumb question - where does one find steel wool graded e.g. 00 or 0000 these days?  Bunnings?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on January 30, 2011, 09:42:27 AM
Hi Evan, the panels look good and for sure will make a huge difference to your GTV's restoration.

Re: where to get steel wool, for sure both Bunnings and Mitre 10 stock such grades, albeit that 0000 can be a little difficult to get in larger quantities.  A real pain in the arse, given I use this liberally when french polishing/restoring antiques.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: vin sharp on January 30, 2011, 05:15:03 PM
Evan, re the bootlid badge; I've had three Series 1.0 1750s over the years, all with no recess for the badge. The badge just sits on the surface, located by its two prong holes. The first car was only 8 years old and definitely had its original bootlid as attached on the production line, as I was the one to undo the virgin bolts to remove it. Both the others also had matching original paint etc, so no reason to suspect ever being changed. These were all early cars with crossover air filter, not the Series 1.5 with the later barrel type on the carbs and firewall coil mount.
I would suspect that as time progressed and recessed badge bootlids came on stream, whatever lid was next in the parts bin was used....
Never seen the door handle gaskets on them either, but I do hate the thought of the metal handle biting into and through the new paint!
Vin.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 30, 2011, 06:20:15 PM
Thanks Vin,

"Series 1.5" is a new one on me - ours has the barrel air cleaner (not cross-over) and the bracket on the firewall for the coil, so I guess it is a 1.5 as you say.  I ended up buying a new reproduction boot lid with no badge recess (shown in attachment - covered in vegemite it seems, or seeing as it came from England I guess it's marmite).

cheers,
Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 01, 2011, 12:10:24 AM
In a sorting mood.  Hundreds of zip lock bags with fasteners and small bits.  Getting all the shiny bits together to be re-chromed and polished as required.  Bloody hot in the garage tonight...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 01, 2011, 12:12:01 AM
These headlamp grilles are kind of cool, but I'm unlikely to put them back on.  Of interest to anybody?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv100 (Biggus) on February 01, 2011, 09:55:31 AM
Hey mate.
I am interested in them.
Cheers,
Marco.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 02, 2011, 10:57:39 PM
Steering wheel plastic centre – I bought this replacement centre badge a while back from Mt Carmel Spares.  It's definitely not an exact replica, not quite as thick.  Should be fine though.  Can I polish out the scratches in the plastic somehow?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on February 03, 2011, 08:35:48 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on February 02, 2011, 10:57:39 PM
Can I polish out the scratches in the plastic somehow?

I think that's most unlikely. It looks like crazing, surface cracking penetrating into the plastic.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 06, 2011, 09:00:51 PM
Some minor bits done - car is going to go to the sandblasters to clean up the engine bay and a couple of other spots.  There were some non-standard holes in the RH inner guard – three for an aftermarket horn bracket, the other four I'm not sure.  They're now filled.  The battery tray removed, and the expected holes in the chassis rail welded up.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 06, 2011, 09:03:16 PM
Last couple of panels from Classic Alfa.  The boot floor on mine would need quite a few patches made, so went for fresh metal.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 12, 2011, 09:00:31 PM
Received another box of small parts from Classic Alfa in the UK.  New door handles and rear window latches are very pretty indeed.

http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/02/new-bits-9/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 12, 2011, 09:04:12 PM
Also received some fantastic NOS and used parts thanks to Robert Panetta at Manning Motors (Sydney).  Rob is clearly a first class hoarder.  NOS Carello front indicator lenses and reverse light lens.  NOS LH front indicator assembly.  NOS inner and outer headlamps correct Carello for the mk1 1750 GTV.  Those are all going to look fantastic.

http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/02/new-and-old-bits-10/

I find the NOS stuff so nice, can't quite describe why.  The indicator lenses are in original unopened bags.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 12, 2011, 09:08:04 PM
Pretty much destroyed the 'budget' for the first half of this year, but I've got the bulk of the non-mechanical parts now.  Time to collect the engine from where it's been resting for 10+ years and strip it down.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 12, 2011, 10:12:13 PM
I put an update on my website with some graphic photos of rusty sills...

http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/02/1750-gtv-%E2%80%93-february-2011-3/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 18, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
I renewed a part for the GTV.  In other news, sand blasters are awesome.  A chocolate fish to the first person to identify the part.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 18, 2011, 10:53:06 PM
Where the heck do all these go?  I think they are a rough approximation of the correct stickers, probably some only on US delivered cars.  The bottom right white sticker I think is a 'running in guide' that would have been on the windscreen.  The paint code sticker looks v. nice.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: branko.gt on February 19, 2011, 01:17:26 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on February 18, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
I renewed a part for the GTV.  In other news, sand blasters are awesome.  A chocolate fish to the first person to identify the part.
a chocolate fish ?!?!?!
you should find something harder, that is a rego light bracket that sits inside a read bumper bar.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Barry Edmunds on February 19, 2011, 08:21:42 AM
Bracket that holds the number plate lights and is attached to the body, just below the bumper bar.
Now can I claim the chocolate fish?
Barry
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 19, 2011, 08:24:54 AM
Nope. Branko beat you by 10 hours.   8)

It bolts to the rear bumper.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 19, 2011, 08:00:16 PM
LH inner sills and A/B pillar bottoms are now looking pretty good.

http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/02/1750-gtv-february-2011-5/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on February 20, 2011, 04:29:24 PM
Getting there! I dropped in to see Sam's work on your car a week ago, and to show him the finished result of his early work in repairing my car.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 20, 2011, 09:50:38 PM
Nice ad.  You wouldn't see a car ad these days depicting so much body roll...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 20, 2011, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: cjheath on February 20, 2011, 04:29:24 PM
Getting there! I dropped in to see Sam's work on your car a week ago, and to show him the finished result of his early work in repairing my car.

Cheers Clifford.  I noted from this post on alfabb (http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/gt-1965-1974/33732-surviving-ar-1750-gtv-r-h-drive-8.html#post977580) that our cars were only 101 numbers apart.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 27, 2011, 11:12:34 PM
Not a lot of action at the moment, Sam is busy working on a mobile home (!) so no action this week on the body repairs.  I blasted and painted the trunnion arm, and it's put aside ready for new bushes and reassembly.  It's satisfyingly clean.  I'm now looking forward to getting the rest of the suspension and steering gear off the car and cleaning and painting it.

I also received a NOS number plate mount.  Why did I buy that?  This stuff is addictive.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on March 01, 2011, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on February 27, 2011, 11:12:34 PM
I also received a NOS number plate mount.  Why did I buy that?

I can't easily answer that, nor why I put up with one on my car for years. They're damn ugly on cars with Australian number plates - more the correct size for those huge UK plates. In fact I wonder how many Australian-delivered cars even had them? Anyhow, I finally ditched it, and bent a small aluminium bracket to refit it, just two bolts to the body and two to the bottom of the plate. Nothing more is needed.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pep105 on March 02, 2011, 12:56:17 AM
Mine had one as well it was black with the Alfa Romeo script, should've got the panel beater to weld up the four holes in rear panel so I could fit a small bracket as it cleans up the rear end a bit.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 06, 2011, 10:13:50 PM
Visited Sam's workshop, and he's finished repairing the right-hand inner sills and A and B pillars.  The B-pillar repair section from Classic Alfa looks very good.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 06, 2011, 10:17:40 PM
More former sins revealed – an ugly repair around the left-hand front shock mount.  The mount itself is also cracked and has been repaired.  Does anyone know if the mount is being reproduced?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 06, 2011, 10:20:47 PM
A little before and after.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 12, 2011, 08:57:15 PM
Suspension is all off, and the body is sitting on dolly.  A big rust repair was required in the front left inner arch behind the shocker mount.  The radiator cross member box section is now in place and lots of little repairs done to the front upper nose where it has poorly repaired before.

A couple more photos at: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/03/1750-gtv-march-2011-2/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 30, 2011, 09:41:22 PM
The body shell has gone to the blasters – to have the engine bay, radiator crossmember, and wheel-arches cleaned up.  A replacement front left shock mount was welded in, promptly supplied by Manning Motors.  The only progress to show here is the bonnet, stripped and a some cracks welded up.  The frame has been re-sealed to the skin.

I collected all the front suspension arms, and rear axle and trailing arms and brought them home.  Forty years of built up grime on the diff housing is quite difficult to move with degreaser and a stiff brush, but I'm getting there.  I've ordered all the parts to renew all the front and rear suspension – bushes, tie rods, bearings, seals etc.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on March 30, 2011, 11:17:11 PM
Evan, the project looks like it's progressing well.

Can you tell us where you got the chassis blasted and what media was used ?

Who is performing the panel work for you ?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 09, 2011, 11:58:09 PM
Here's a big update of about 3-4 weeks work done.  I missed one weekend, then went to Sam's workshop last week but forgot my camera and the iPhone just wouldn't cut it.

The highlights:

* There's some awkward rot in the right hand guard, so we decided to get a new one.
* Because this has to be done, we decided to change over the whole front panel, and the panel above the radiator which had previously been poorly repaired.
* I've sourced a couple of very very good doors (thanks Phil!)
* Blasting was done around the engine bay and radiator crossmember, and under the front and rear guards.
* Rear arch repair sections have been done.
* Repairs have been done to the rear side window sills.
* Front left-hand shocker bracket replaced.
* A fix made to a previous poor repair on the passenger seat bracket.
* Left-hand outer sill is almost done.

So I'm going to have some excess panels – the front valance I originally bought, RH front guard repair section, and possibly door skins.  Hopefully they will come in handy for someone.

More photos here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/04/1750-gtv-april-2011/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pep105 on April 10, 2011, 01:10:02 AM
Hey Evan,
Looks like your cars progressing well.
I met Sam at the restoration night recently we had a bit of a yarn about restos and your car did come up
while we were viewing the Pino Verde 1750 on the hoist at Ettore's workshop.

Seems like its in good hands - Keep the updates coming.

I know what you mean about iphones, all the images of my rear side window sill repairs were taken on my iphone.
Shame as the repair sections were fabricated by hand from of all things camry door skins  ;) (at least they are useful for something)

Keep on truckin

Cheers
Pep

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 10, 2011, 10:20:17 AM
Hey Pep,

Yep it's great to see the car coming together.  Still a lot to do - replacement front panel and RH guard, replacement boot floor and wheel well, rear panel.  It's all fresh metal, I've deliberately gone the path of replacing panels where possible rather than lots of little repairs.  I hope it pays off in the long run.

Having said that - there's plenty of little patches being done too...  Perhaps this wasn't the best candidate for resto, but it's ours and it's going to be great when it's done.

cheers,
Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 16, 2011, 10:35:08 PM
The doors I sourced are very good.  A couple of minor repairs done previously, which Sam will improve on, but almost certainly not needing to use the skins we purchased.

The left side panels are all repaired and in primer.  That's front and rear lower guard patch sections, outer sill, and the repair on the rear side window ledge.  There was an aerial hole on the left guard which Sam filled as well.  It's fantastic to see this all coming together again.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on April 16, 2011, 10:50:03 PM
Looking great Evan!

Not long now till she's home!!!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 17, 2011, 11:51:17 PM
I've spent quite a bit of time trying to clean the diff casing - 40 years of oil, grease, and road grime is pretty well baked on there.  Degreaser, scraping with a screwdriver, various brushes, and the pressure sprayer have got it to this stage.  There's no longer very much actual greasy build up on the casing, but there's some seriously hard black build-up.  It doesn't seem keen to shift.  Any suggestions?  Wire brush?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on April 18, 2011, 08:13:13 AM
Maybe someone has painted the diff in the past or it could be overspray?  I'd say unlikely to be burnt on oil if the diff is still working (!).  If it is paint of some sort there's no harm in using paint stripper on it.

I have had great success with Deoxidine on alloy castings in the past to clean them up as well.  Works a treat, washes off with water.  
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on April 18, 2011, 02:00:48 PM
Depending on the quality job you want Evan. My advice would be a . if you want to rebuild it then pull it apart and take the casing for blasting/acid dipping or b. if you want to keep it together and just put it back into the car then tape it up in the areas you want to keep as is and then get it blasted with plastic bead. Nothing like blasting stuff to get rid of crap.

if you don't want to spend much or cannot move the diff then perhaps spray it with some serious chemicals from a industrial engineering shop - they'll be able to tell you what works. The gerni it off in the morning. Make sure you don't get any seeping into the diff area or it could cause chaos later on.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Gary Pearce on April 19, 2011, 10:00:19 AM
Use paint stripper on the alloy Evan. It works a treat at removing old grease etc.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on April 19, 2011, 12:14:14 PM
Gary is that paint stripper for removing paint from wood etc, or are we talking of automotive paint stripper?  Two different entities afterall.   Where can you find and what is Deoxidine and what safety precautions are needed?  I only ask as I will be comencing strip down of the 1600 I have got for my Giulia Super after Easter, with a huge thanks to Scott Murray.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Gary Pearce on April 19, 2011, 03:29:41 PM
Ev common old paint stripper from bunnings. I'm suggesting that you only need to clean up the alloy, as the black steel area can usually be lightly sanded and painted with the spray can that we have discussed previously. Something in paint stripper that breaks down old oil (and old paint) easily. Like whats advised on the can, a little wire brushing or scraping also helps but just layer the paint stripper on and hose it off after the reation.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on April 19, 2011, 04:02:22 PM
Thanks Gary.  Sounds good to me.  Will give that a go with the engine.  I want it to shine  ;D. 

Hey Evan it sure is all coming together really nicely.  Good to have someone like Sam working on this project.  I assume you are going to have the rear axle re-painted or powdercoated ??
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 20, 2011, 03:25:40 PM
Thanks Gary, will give paint stripper a go.

Not sure whether to tear down the diff at this stage, or just clean up the alloy and paint up the tubes without disassembly.  I don't believe the axle was noisy when I parked it...?  Hmm not sure.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Gary Pearce on April 20, 2011, 04:37:08 PM
The diff is not a hard 'later' job Evan, so maybe just have Bruno do the wider wheel bearing kits that he and Colin make up, bolt it all together and try it.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: tuf105 on April 20, 2011, 04:48:08 PM
Hi Evan,
Doing something similar at the moment with my car.

What I found was that the pinion nut on the front of the axle was literally finger tight once the lock tab washer was knocked back. My theory to why is due to fact that the pinion shaft runs in two taper bearings and after forty odd years of running, the pre-load had all but disappeared.

At the very minimum, I would check for this condition and replace this front seal at the same time (as this is likely the cause of the oil all over the housing) as it's a damn lot easier with the axle out of the car rather than underneath it!

As far as the internals are concerned, I did end up pulling the axle tubes off to check the condition of the bearings, gears etc. My axle wasn't noisy either but it was just to give me some peace of mind that the bearings were ok, teeth all there, etc. (Which they were fortunately $$$)

Again, at the minimum, I would suggest pulling the axle shafts out and replacing the end seals and checking the condition of the outer axle bearings.

At least you'll know once the axle is back in, it's not going to leak oil for a few years anyway.

I hope this helps.

Your thread and website are a great read.....good luck with the rest of the restoration.

Frank.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 07, 2011, 10:11:37 PM
I picked up another second-hand dash the other day (thanks Paul!).

My original dash I had recovered back in 1999 but I was never happy with the result.  The re-skin took out the detail lines around the instrument binnacles, and the glovebox lid doesn't close properly.  The glovebox lid could probably be improved with a bit of heat and pressure, but I'll always be looking at the shape around the instruments and thinking it's not quite right...

This original dash will be a better outcome I think - it has been repaired in a couple of spots, but is in very very nice condition.

A couple more photos here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/05/old-bits-93/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 07, 2011, 10:46:47 PM
Not much to show on the bodywork front, as Sam has been busy on a Fiat 124.  That'll continue for at least the next three weeks, then he'll pick up our project again.  I'm happy for some delay, as I want to get all the suspension reconditioned before he's finished the paint – so that we can make a rolling car immediately.

I've spent a couple of days pulling apart the front suspension, sandblasting all the parts, and painting them with black enamel.  I'm using VHT engine enamel, which is supposed to cure to a very durable finish and is easy to touch up over time where it does chip.  I chose this instead of powder coating based on various recommendations – we'll see.  Turns out I'm a terrible painter and a slow learner.  Lots of runs.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Paul Gulliver on May 08, 2011, 11:00:59 AM
QuoteTurns out I'm a terrible painter and a slow learner.  Lots of runs.

Evan, I know what you mean . I think the secret with those rattle cans is " a little bit of paint a lot of times " . Instead of trying to get complete coverage on the first go.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 23, 2011, 10:47:57 PM
Got some more parts from EB Spares and Classic Alfa.  I'm puzzled by the brake proportioning valve, as it's quite different to the original - guessing this is all that's available these days.  Will wait for Giles at Classic Alfa to let me know.

More photos at this post - if you like *that kind of thing*:
http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/05/new-bits-13/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 23, 2011, 10:53:57 PM
Not much to report in terms of actual work (as opposed to opening boxes of parts).  It's been cold and wet.  I carefully sandblasted and painted the other trailing arm, only to find the lovely black enamel turning milky white in the cold damp air.  Bah!  Branko was amused.

Tonight I fronted up to get some advice about pressing out and replacing the trailing arm bushes.  Waited a couple of hours chatting and making cups of tea, fixing computers and generally being useful.  Bruno walks out to give me a hand, looks at the trailing arms and says "why do you want to replace those, they're perfect!".  Okay, I won't then.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 26, 2011, 12:11:12 AM
Got a big batch of plated parts back today.

More photos and detail here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/05/1750-gtv-may-2011-2/

For reference, the plating was done at Electromech in South Dandenong (03) 9768 2822.  II'm quite happy with the result given the state of what I gave to them.  I don't have a lot to compare with though – it's the first time I've had parts plated.

Question for the experts: The nylon in the nyloc nuts appears undamaged, although it's changed colour from green to white.  This might be because they parts were baked to prevent hydrogen embrittlement (!).  Thoughts on whether to re-use these nuts?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on May 26, 2011, 07:11:39 AM
Evan - that looks very similar to what I've got back from platers in the past when redoing old parts.  Did you clean everything  thoroughly before you sent it of?  As in wirebrushed and washed?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 26, 2011, 08:28:27 AM
Quote from: aggie57 on May 26, 2011, 07:11:39 AM
Did you clean everything  thoroughly before you sent it of?  As in wirebrushed and washed?

To be honest, no - most of it was pretty clean as the car was degreased and parts were cleaned before disassembly.  Certainly not wire brushed.  They put all the parts in a tank to soak for a weekend which must have done the trick.  There's only a couple of parts that I think could be better, although I'm no expert :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on May 26, 2011, 10:23:40 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on May 26, 2011, 12:11:12 AM
Question for the experts: The nylon in the nyloc nuts appears undamaged, although it's changed colour from green to white.  This might be because they parts were baked to prevent hydrogen embrittlement (!).  Thoughts on whether to re-use these nuts?

Disclaimer - I dont claim to be an expert....and there are lots of opinions on this topic.

Nylocs are usually a single use item, they never work as effectively second time around as the nylon has a 'memory' i.e. it wont return to its former state as well as something like a low durometer rubber might.  I think nylon is hydroscopic too, so it may have absored some of the nasties in the plating process.

Given the relative low cost and how much you have already spent on this......I would replace them. 
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: branko.gt on May 26, 2011, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: alfagtv58 on May 26, 2011, 10:23:40 AM
.....

Nylocs are usually a single use item, they never work as effectively second time around .....

Given the relative low cost and how much you have already spent on this......I would replace them. 

i have been told the same, if you use nylocs second time around you need to add a spring washer...
sort of defeats the purpose...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Krishnan Pasupathi on May 26, 2011, 11:10:06 AM
Hi Evan,

The car looks like its coming along pretty damn well! Should be fantastic when its finished.

With regards to the Nylocks. Personally I wouldn't re-use them, there are varying opinions regarding re-use after they have been installed and removed (some manuals specify replacement if they are torqued up and then removed, but the actually shouldn't be damaged by this). But consider that they are 35+ years old and plating chemicals/heating during plating can do nasty things to polymers.

But as always that's just one mans opinion!!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 26, 2011, 11:29:19 AM
I think you're all right - there's actually not that many nylocs on the car, I think I'll bag them up and get some replacements.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 18, 2011, 08:42:03 PM
Sam is back to work on the GTV with gusto.  Finished the RH sill panel, B-pillar, and primed the rear guard.  Also fixed a couple of low spots on the roof (which I couldn't even see!).  Working on fitment and gapping of the doors.  The door hinges are re-bushed, and a few minor bumps smoothed out in both door skins.  I brought around the new door handles for trial fitting, and the mirror to pick the correct location.  Derek has this handy reference for factory mirror placement.

Lots of work still to go – RH front guard, front panel and upper radiator panel, and the rear panel – but it's great to see this progress.

Some more photos here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/06/1750-gtv-june-2011/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Mark Baigent on June 18, 2011, 09:37:12 PM
Great thread Evan - reminds me of the years i put into my GTV 2000 ...

A point at this stage worth considering is rust prevention. Given how much money and time has gone into getting rid of the last 40 years of rust invasion you can work against rust coming back in the next 40 years by using the best rust oils possible in every single cavity - this is the time to do it - bare shell stage - but make sure you blow out and vacuum out under high pressure, every piece of dust, iron filing, paint stripping medium etc etc first - then make sure you give plenty of "air" time to the rust oil once sprayed in to let it harden off ... then you can start refitting - do the same under all your stainless steel trims before refitting them - it's impossible to reinstall them without catching or scratching the paint on the butt seams - it just takes one scratch to lead to rust. I followed this process 16 years ago when doing my concours restoration on the advice of an "old world" panel beater and the car is still completely (cross fingers) rust free. Keep up the great work - every restored 105 is a joy to see ! 
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 18, 2011, 11:29:18 PM
Got a question - the attached picture is of the driver's side footwell on the GTV.  I've highlighted four little screw holes.  Any guess what they're for?  Not the windscreen washer footpump, that's up higher next to the steering column.

Probably something PO, and I'll ask Sam to weld the holes.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on June 19, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
I don't suppose it is for the footrest ??  Otherwise yes I suspect you are right re the PO.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Mark Baigent on June 19, 2011, 05:47:22 PM
Those 4 little screw holes aren't from the factory Evan .... though these cars as with most Alfas older than the 90's were renowned for many variations between the same models, such as where carpet screws were put, bolt types used, etc etc, and even which switches and ancillaries were used depending on which parts bin they had next to them on the assembly line at the time ... weld them up ! 
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: massiveluvbuddy67 on June 19, 2011, 06:10:21 PM
Bravo Evan, Fi and Jack...do I get a drive though when it is done?  ;D
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 19, 2011, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Phil Nash on June 19, 2011, 06:10:21 PM
...do I get a drive though when it is done?  ;D

That goes without saying, Phil.  Shame there was no break today, or you could have experienced the mighty 75!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 19, 2011, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: Davidm1750 on June 19, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
I don't suppose it is for the footrest ??

Did these cars come with a footrest?  I don't see any reference in the parts manual, and there wasn't one in there.  I only ask because someone else asked me if the holes were for 'the' footrest.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on June 19, 2011, 10:06:50 PM
Looking great Evan! My 66 has no footrest.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on June 20, 2011, 10:42:18 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on June 19, 2011, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: Davidm1750 on June 19, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
I don't suppose it is for the footrest ??
Did these cars come with a footrest?

My '69 had no footrest, but having just recently fitted one, I can definitely say they should have had one. So much easier to brake effectively, and my foot doesn't mangle the vinyl on the console shroud any more.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AikenDrum105 on June 20, 2011, 03:17:08 PM
None on the '71 S2 either - but +1 on the footrest idea - always ends up pinned at an angle between the clutch and the tunnel on long trips :)  I guess because the tunnel is offset to the RHS - there's less room for that stuff on RHD cars....

Might have been for a headlight dipper Evan ....

*cough*   Supers, of course,  have a footrest...  They drew the line at the Corgi and the Bowler hat though, thankfully ;p

Supers also come with a bootlid that opens just far enough to catch you on the forehead as you lean in,  and rake you up the back of the head with the latch when you straighten up...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Mark Baigent on June 20, 2011, 09:54:31 PM
They didn't come with a footrest for either LHD's or RHD's Evan.

Some came with a foot pad on the carpet depending on which day your car was made but most came with nothing.
As an aside have you ever noticed the difference in widths between the outer edge of the seat and the outer edge of the sill on the left and right front side of the car.? There are lots of subtle differences because of the left hand drive bias in design. In RHD 105's the passenger sits further from the door than the driver.

The Giulia Supers however as 'AikenDrum' mentions did come with footrests - a really good one - and held in by just two BIG screws - one top and one bottom. Seems the leisurely sedan driver needed something to convince others they were also driving a sports car !   
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: john m on June 20, 2011, 10:03:13 PM
Evan,

I reckon the four holes on the side of the tunnel are for fastening down the main console "wings". Every time the gearbox comes out, the console is also removed, but its not always easy to find the original screw hole because of the carpet and underlay, so a new hole is drilled. Check the other side of the tunnel, how dose it compare? I also belive that the biggest hole is probably the original one due to overtightening. The screws were 10 Gauge, my S1 1750 also has a few holes on each side, extra ones made by me nodoubt. Keep up the good work Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 20, 2011, 11:48:12 PM
Quote from: Mark Baigent on June 20, 2011, 09:54:31 PM
As an aside have you ever noticed the difference in widths between the outer edge of the seat and the outer edge of the sill on the left and right front side of

Yeah it's really noticeable when the seats, carpets and underlay are out.  Attached are a couple of shots of the passenger side floor - a previous floor repair had replaced the mounting point for the seat rail, but was obviously cut out of a driver side door and wasn't wide enough.  Sam welded in this reinforcement for the passenger seat rail to extend to the correct location.  Why are there two sets of holes though?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on June 21, 2011, 12:01:57 PM
hmm - was there an option for sports seats in those days - aka the GTA 1600 style seats? Or are the Seats between the Sprint GT and the GT Junior for example on different mount points on the rails?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 25, 2011, 08:57:56 PM
Photo progress report from today.  The front panel is in place, with the RH front guard, and radiator upper panel.  Lots of detail in this work – gaps around the doors, bonnet, headlights, grille and heart.  When I arrived Sam was working on the headlight frames using my headlights and rims to fit.

The new repro front guard is good, but as expected it needs a lot of work to fit properly and gap to the bonnet.  Lots of finishing work still to be done here, but great to see the front of the car in one piece.  Sam expects to have this all done and in primer by next weekend, and will be ready to move to the rear of the car.

More photos here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/06/1750-gtv-june-2011-2/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 25, 2011, 09:06:07 PM
We spent a bit of time today talking about paint.  The car is going to have a fresh coat of it's original Hawthorn White (AR013), and Sam showed me the formula in one of his old books - a mix of white, black, and ochre.  Interesting to compare it to some of the other whites, including Farina White which has two different whites, black and some blue mixed into it.

I dropped off five original steel wheels (thanks Gary - from about four years ago!) for Sam to have sandblasted and then paint.  We agreed on a colour code listed for Alfa wheels 68-71 - fine silver metallic, with black and some blue.  Sam is going to mix and spray a small sample to check.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on June 25, 2011, 10:06:02 PM
Panel fit looks great Evan. Do you know what paint system Sam uses? I am hoping my paint guy gets AR013 right on my car too.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on June 26, 2011, 12:06:34 AM
It would be good to see a few different white tone cars to compare. I am also looking at white but not dont know which code yet.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 26, 2011, 12:10:34 AM
Quote from: Derek Entesano on June 25, 2011, 10:06:02 PM
Do you know what paint system Sam uses?

Some German brand starting with D - I didn't really notice, it's not like I'm going to shop around to be completely honest.  We were actually looking at one of Sam's old books from the 80s.  His new system uses the computer and he said might have a slightly different recipe for AR013.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Ash Gordon on June 26, 2011, 08:48:46 PM
Evan, 

Do you have a choice with the repro guards with / without indicator hole ?

Is it only later models that have the indicator in the guard?

Ash
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 26, 2011, 09:02:49 PM
Hi Ash,

I think they all come with a side indicator hole.  Sam will weld that up.

The mk1 1750s have the front indicators above the bumper, and they curve around to provide a side marker.  The mk2 1750s have the front indicators recessed into the front panel, so they have the separate side indicators in the guard.

You'll notice on the new front panel fitted Sam has filled the indicator apertures.  I bought a new apron which is made specially for the mk1 1750 without those apertures, but then we realised how bad the whole nose was I decided to get a whole panel.

Attachments show the mk1 1750 apron, and the general-fitment full front panel.  You'll also note that the mk1 1750 only had two vent holes, I'm not going to change that (gasps from the crowd).

If anyone wants a mk1 1750 front apron, let me know.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 03, 2011, 07:21:53 PM
The front of the car is complete and primed.    Unfortunately it was facing into the corner so I couldn't get any real detail photos.  Sam is now working on the tail - to fit the boot floor and rear panel.  The repro boot floor requires the expected amount of work to fit.  The repro boot lid did not have the right curvature, and needs some mods to get the right panel gap.

Sam also showed me a sample of the mixed white (AR013 Biancospino) and a metallic silver for the wheels.  Both looked great.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 03, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
I started looking back at old photos - here's one from 1999 and one from 2006 (page one of this thread).  The photos make it look pretty good - amazing (but not surprising) how much work was underneath all that paint.  Long way to go.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 06, 2011, 12:15:11 AM
Question: which one of these badges should be on our 1968 GTV?

The original was missing the centre when I got it, so no clue there.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on July 06, 2011, 09:17:31 AM
My car has the second type. The current one is not original, but I'm pretty sure it's the same type it had when I acquired it in 1986.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on July 06, 2011, 09:36:35 AM
Hi Evan,

Fromt he first picture it looks like the aluminium/plastic rectangular badge with bright blue writing - this is typically the stepnose models. The second is what I beleive they used in later cars. But you'rs is a 68 - so as per all things Alfa they might have used the old stock on some cars to use them all up and new badges on newer cars. I'll try and dig up some posts in regards to this that I read about a few months ago.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 06, 2011, 09:44:59 AM
As with all these things it's just a curiosity for me.  I noticed in my sales brochure that it had the white-type badge, but that would have been a very early LHD car.  I have a black-type badge already.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Ash Gordon on July 06, 2011, 08:18:46 PM
If it helps Classic Alfa have the black and white badge listed as follows

DISEGNO DI BERTONE – LATE VERSION (1967-77)

And the original part number from ebspares 105.44.61.210.00
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Sportscar Nut on July 06, 2011, 08:51:12 PM
Evan

My car has the black badge as well which I think is original. We need a factory parts manual as I don't believe in the 'whatever was in the bin' explanation for many parts. Hope the resto is going well - interested in how your wheels turn out (need to do mine as well).

Regards
Paul
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 07, 2011, 08:43:51 AM
Quote from: POC on July 06, 2011, 08:51:12 PM
We need a factory parts manual as I don't believe in the 'whatever was in the bin' explanation for many parts.

Ha!  I'm a bit of a richard sometimes.  Here's the page from my 1968 parts manual - clearly showing the black badge with white text.  Thanks for the reminder Paul.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on July 07, 2011, 03:15:32 PM
Do you have the "rapido" parts manual Evan?  If not let me know and I'll look up what it says about what used which version of the badge.  But then I'm a believer in the "what we have handy" theory particularly at model changeover time...... ;D
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 08, 2011, 06:10:36 PM
Quote from: aggie57 on July 07, 2011, 03:15:32 PM
Do you have the "rapido" parts manual Evan? 

No Alister - in fact I hadn't heard of it before.  What's the rapido manual?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on July 08, 2011, 07:49:59 PM
From 1974.  A sort of general parts manual covering all models.  The front cover:
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on July 08, 2011, 08:10:52 PM
Here is section 30, first the main page with the parts shown and then pages 1-2-3 of that section. In the case of your question, the item is #73 and the listed part number is 105.44.61.210.00.  Only the later type is shown which suggests that only that type was used on the cars covered by this catalogue.

As a guide, when there are changes in parts mid-model the table at the bottom indicates the relevant chassis numbers cross referenced asgainst the relevant part number.  An example here would be the grille for the 1750 spider, item number 67.  According to this cars up to chassis number 1.820.000 used 105.03.59.023.00 whereas cars after that used 105.95.59.031.00.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Sportscar Nut on July 08, 2011, 10:06:20 PM
Fantastic reference Alister. Have bugged Beninca's regularly for their old factory parts lists so might have to bug you as well! Assume you purchased this years ago.

PS Very impressed with the factory 300+ hp ATW in your traitor!

Paul
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on July 09, 2011, 03:35:05 PM
No problem Paul. I bought it in England in 1981. It doesn't cover the pre-1750 cars though. Least not explicitly and sometimes I do find the odd error so I do try and cross check.

I also have a complete Alfetta GT parts manual if anyone ever needs to reference that.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: tuf105 on July 09, 2011, 07:39:24 PM
There's this one as well........
http://www.pitstop.net.au/view/marques-alfa-romeo/page/query/plu/3402/ (http://www.pitstop.net.au/view/marques-alfa-romeo/page/query/plu/3402/)

Good for comparing if NOS part numbers quoted for other models in the 105 range can fit your own car.

Frank.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 11, 2011, 11:23:16 PM
The boot floor is now installed along with the rear panel.  A bit of tweaking required to finish here, then the rear panel support and spare wheel tub will go in.  When I first saw the amount of rust in the original boot floor and rear panel I nearly cried, so it makes me really happy to see this fresh metal in place.  Sam cheerily tells me that there's only a couple of weeks of work to go until this is ready for paint.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 12, 2011, 09:00:44 PM
I wasn't happy at all with the quality of the reproduction grille heart.  I tried to love it, but I couldn't.  Luckily a friend (http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/gt-1965-1974/178564-1966-sprint-gt-veloce-rebuild-rhd-warning-many-images.html) pointed me to this original 1750 GTV grille heart on EBay.  It's not absolutely perfect (a couple of small pits), but it's very very good.

The grille heart is such an important feature of the car, I'm glad it will look nice.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 16, 2011, 09:26:43 PM
Progress update.  The rear panel support is in, preparing the spare wheel well to go in.  Confirmed that the new grille heart fits fell, and a couple of holes drilled for brightwork.  The body has been sprayed in primer ready for final blocking.  Sam expects to have the interior, engine bay, and wheel arches painted by next week.  This is getting very exciting!

Some more photos here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/07/1750-gtv-july-2011-3/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on July 16, 2011, 09:52:53 PM
Its really all starting to come together so well Evan.  Looks so good. Given the attention to yours and what needed to be done, I am seriously wondering what delights await me for mine, when I can get onto it. 

Nice Alfa heart btw. I agree, such jewellery is important for our Alfas.  I am in contact with Franjo from Slovenia as he has a correct spec full grill for a early Super which would be so ideal. I just need to find a way to have the $$ (euros) to be able to buy it.  I would love to be able to have him restore it for me, but I suspect at this time it is a little beyond my meagre means. 

Am looking forward to seeing the final process of Sam's magic on your GTV.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on July 16, 2011, 10:53:24 PM
Not long now before that wonderful candy goes onto that body Evan! I'm hanging to see how the colour tuns out as mine is most likley going to be the same.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: lance105 on July 18, 2011, 07:29:15 PM
Evan – really enjoying reading the journey so far – its looking fantastic!
Hey is the plan to have it ready for the 105 Series Turismo Tassie 2012?
would love to see it there!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 18, 2011, 08:57:13 PM
Thanks Lance, no sorry I don't want to make any false plans about having it ready by Easter.  I'm loving this project, and am going to take my time :-)

Might have to buy another 105 for the trip next year?  Otherwise it'll be the 75...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 23, 2011, 03:03:03 PM
The engine bay, wheel arches, boot (trunk), and interior are all painted.  Wheel arches and the underside of the floor has been sprayed with stone guard.  Most of the underside is painted black.  It's not original, but will be much easier to maintain.  Sam was preparing to paint the insides of the doors, bonnet, and boot.  The final exterior paint should be done towards the end of next week.

More photos here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/07/1750-gtv-july-2011-4/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on July 23, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
Evan, This is flying along!

Did you use repro splash panels as well or originals ? If repro - how was the quality and did they come with the rubber protection strip ?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 23, 2011, 04:54:33 PM
Thanks Pancho.  The splash guards aren't fitted yet.  I bought them from Classic Alfa, there's photos in this post:

http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/05/new-bits-13/

I haven't tried them for fit yet.  Yep they come with the rubber strips fitted.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 24, 2011, 09:29:09 AM
New veneers for the dashboard and consoles arrived.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 24, 2011, 09:30:32 AM
I bought this repro 1750 boot badge, but I'm not happy with it - lacks the correct texture on the 'background' bit (hard to describe).  I now can't seem to find our original badge, lost in a box somewhere or at Sam's.  It was bent though.  Does anyone have a good original one?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on July 25, 2011, 08:43:10 PM
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/rotoso/DSCN4468.jpg)

The background line behind the 1750 numbers is grainy on the original's. Versus flat on the repros
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 31, 2011, 03:41:52 PM
Painted!  Sam's work is done here.  Very special moment walking into the booth to see this stage.  I don't expect to get this excited again until it's time to turn the key or take the first drive.

The car is ready to move from Sam's, just need to arrange it's next destination...

A couple more photos here: http://alfa.bottch.com/2011/07/1750-gtv-july-2011-5/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pep105 on July 31, 2011, 03:57:14 PM
Mate that looks fantastic ! Looks like its going to be a stunner, like how he painted the wheels as well, nice silver

Now the fun begins

By the way we are officially at the same stage, mine has laid dormant for ages (more than a year) after it was painted
till now

Well done you must be wrapt
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Paul Gulliver on July 31, 2011, 04:11:19 PM
WOW

Gully
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on August 01, 2011, 09:34:51 PM
Stunning Evan, just stunning.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 03, 2011, 09:30:46 PM
Impatiently waiting for the trimmer to be ready to fit the headlining in the bodyshell, so here's a photo of a few small pieces sandblasted and painted.

I also collected a selection of replacement nyloc nuts for the suspension from Keables.  I dropped off a box full of the nuts all sorted into different sizes, and the chap there measured the right sizes and provided replacements for all bar one of the sizes.  He correctly guessed they were for an Italian automobile – apparently nothing else on the planet uses the odd sizes like 9mm and 11mm.  Great stuff.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Krishnan Pasupathi on August 04, 2011, 01:30:13 PM
Drool.... Seriously.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 05, 2011, 09:52:51 PM
Sandblasted and painted one of the inner headlamp backings.  Looks good with new adjuster screws and the NOS Carello lens.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on August 06, 2011, 11:23:01 AM
Fantastico !!  Looks wonderful. Yep as others have said now for the fun part of putting it all together and that first drive to look forward to.  Hope to be there myself one day.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: dfrye on August 08, 2011, 11:29:59 AM
Hi Evan, car looks great.

Re the splashguards, I bought just the rubbers for the guards from classicalfa. They send me an H profile and a V profile so presumably one if for the forward guard and the other for the guard behind the front wheel.

Since you bought the entire guard with the rubber fitted, would you mind letting me know which rubber profile goes on which guard?

thanks,
dean
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 08, 2011, 11:39:38 AM
I'll take some detail photos tonight Dean.  I also have my old splashguards for reference.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 08, 2011, 09:53:20 PM
Here's some detail of the long splashguard behind the front wheel.  It has a H-shaped rubber profile.  First two are of the original, second two are of the repro replacement.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 08, 2011, 09:55:28 PM
Here's a shot of the wider splashguard that goes in front of the front wheel.  It has an V-shaped rubber profile.  I only have the repro to be fitted, originals were not on the car when we acquired it.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: dfrye on August 08, 2011, 10:17:04 PM
Thanks Evan, that makes it clear.

Much appreciated.

//dean
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 10, 2011, 05:24:07 PM
Received from Italy a pair of NOS mk1 GTV taillights complete with lenses.  I feel quite fortunate to have gotten hold of these, they do not seem to come up very often.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 10, 2011, 06:07:09 PM
Very tasty - metal backed housings. Nice work!

On a side note of rear panels - do all the small light rear panels have the same 3 bolt tail light mounting points/holes ? I have heard/read somewhere that they are not the same to the early cars with the small tail lights.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Ash Gordon on August 10, 2011, 10:48:50 PM
Evan,

These are different to my taillights. The inner reflector is much smaller and has chrome trim ?



cheers Ash
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 11, 2011, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: pancho on August 10, 2011, 06:07:09 PM
Very tasty - metal backed housings. Nice work!

The backings are actually in two parts - a pot metal light housing, riveted to the main plastic body which is chromed.  Specific to the mk1 1750 GTV only.

Quote from: pancho on August 10, 2011, 06:07:09 PM
On a side note of rear panels - do all the small light rear panels have the same 3 bolt tail light mounting points/holes ? I have heard/read somewhere that they are not the same to the early cars with the small tail lights.

I'm not sure if the holes vary - Sam test fitted all my lights and various bits of trim to ensure everything fitted perfectly before paint.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on August 11, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
Well that is very interesting that the pot metal backings are correct for the 1750 S1 even after the earlier 1600 GT Veloce went to a plastic backing. A great detail to note for the 1750 S1 purists
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 11, 2011, 09:52:41 AM
Quote from: Ash Gordon on August 10, 2011, 10:48:50 PM
These are different to my taillights. The inner reflector is much smaller and has chrome trim ?

As far as I can work out, the stepnose GTs and the mk2 1750s used the taillights that you've got.  They have a square reflector.  They seem to have come in many variants - made by Carello and Altissimo.  Some are pot metal, some are plastic, some are two-piece lenses, some are one-piece, some have the chrome moulded into the plastic lense, others have the chrome on the backing.  I'm not an expert, but there's plenty of advice on the Alfabb.com.

Here's a useful search: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=correct+rear+lights+site%3Awww.alfabb.com%2Fbb%2Fforums%2Fgt-1965-1974%2F

In any case - the tail lights I've got are specific to mk1 1750 GTVs only.  They are slightly larger than the square reflector units, and require a specific rubber seal to the body (which I have repro of now).
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 11, 2011, 09:57:01 AM
Quote from: Derek Entesano on August 11, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
Well that is very interesting that the pot metal backings are correct for the 1750 S1 even after the earlier 1600 GT Veloce went to a plastic backing. A great detail to note for the 1750 S1 purists

A couple of shots attached of my old housings.  The main chromed part is plastic, not pot metal.  You can see here that the chrome is peeling away from the plastic on this old housing.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 11, 2011, 10:05:09 AM
Just for the record, it seems that Altissimo also made a version of the mk1 long-reflector tail light.  Looks almost identical to the Carello version.
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/gt-1965-1974/151484-nos-1750-gtv-s1-rear-lenses-value.html

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 11, 2011, 12:09:48 PM
Interestingly Derek, my old taillights are the metal backed Altissimo units. Car built in '66 as a GT Veloce.

I've seen another nos set of those rear lights Evan, if you even need another set let me know and I'll search for them again.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on August 11, 2011, 12:26:57 PM
That is interseting! Always thought they were Sprint GT only, might be interested in your old lights as my backs are cracked. By the parts manual I have the metal back ones with the large reflector had a 10502 part number and came in carello or Altissimo and the plastic back was a 10536 part only by Carello at the time of print of my manual (1966). Anyway I should stop bumping up Evan's thread post number! :P
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ACP on August 11, 2011, 03:02:46 PM
FWIW mine has one metal and one plastic....

Not sure which is original.... :o

AP
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 11, 2011, 03:28:46 PM
I think my old ones might have a crack in the metal, I'll check when I'm down south next time. The new ones I have here: (http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/rotoso/IMG_0857.jpg)

are exactly what I have on the car now - just new - perhaps my car had the plastic units replaced at some stage in its life.

So Evan - what is the next stage? How is the trimming coming along?

Do you have the original radio with the car ? where is the antennea hole ?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 11, 2011, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: pancho on August 11, 2011, 03:28:46 PM
So Evan - what is the next stage? How is the trimming coming along?

Do you have the original radio with the car ? where is the antennea hole ?

The shell should go to the trimmer next week to get the headlining in, then it'll be wheeled over to Maranello Pur Sang (http://www.maranellopursang.com/) and we can start turning it back into a rolling shell.  Steering box and rear axle need to be reconditioned before going back in.

I need to go and rescue the engine and gearbox out of storage and start stripping the engine.  Have been given a suggestion on a place to do cleaning of the engine block and head etc. which is meant to return them as good as new.

I won't be installing a radio, and I asked Sam to fill the antenna hole which was on the front left guard.  I think I'll fit a small ipod amplifier in the glovebox, but haven't got far with that thinking.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on August 11, 2011, 05:24:28 PM
Evan - Sheldon has my engine stand and as far as I know he is done with it.

You're welcome to borrow it. It's the type that bolts up to the side mounts and rotates 360'
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 11, 2011, 08:39:51 PM
Thanks Alister.  I picked up a cheap 105 engine stand through this forum a couple of months ago.  Will see how it goes, thanks for the offer.

I acquired a new set of front and rear springs.  The fronts are from Vin (PACE) and will lower the car about an inch from standard.  The rears are stock NOS springs that were sitting on the shelf at Maranello Pur Sang.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 12, 2011, 10:37:44 PM
Great idea Evan, I am also deleting the radio and going with an ipod in the glovebox type audio system, easy to hide, lightweight and current technology - you can even get radio functionality with them nowdays. I am looking at some bass shakers to provide some low fill/feel and mount them under the seats to the car body- there are some good 4" speakers that you should be able to hide up under the dash and your car probably has the large centre speaker hole that you could mount something there and have the dash pad over the top of it perhaps.

Did you order the headliner from the UK or getting it made/supplied here ?

I'd be interested in your block cleaner as I'd like to get my gbox glass blasted as well as the diff housing.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 12, 2011, 10:51:38 PM
The dash on the 1750 is quite different, with no speaker hole on top like yours.  There are two factory speaker holes either side of the centre console, which I'll use with some small speakers.  I have original factory speaker grilles to fit there, so it'll look quite subtle I hope.

The headlining kit came from Alfaholics, in the correct 'snakebite' pattern.

cheers, Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on August 13, 2011, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on August 12, 2011, 10:51:38 PM
There are two factory speaker holes either side of the centre console, which I'll use with some small speakers.  I have original factory speaker grilles to fit there, so it'll look quite subtle I hope.

The actual sound projection from this location couldn't be much worse, unfortunately, and there's really no-where else you can easily hide front speakers, even small tweeters, without them standing out like a sore thumb. At least we have that fabulous engine to listen to  :) My main speakers are mounted in the panels beside the rear seat, instead of the ash trays.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AikenDrum105 on August 15, 2011, 09:01:45 AM
Magnifico !

Cheers,
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on August 15, 2011, 12:09:38 PM
I'm gunna miss the Monday morning updates now it has left Sams place  :'(

Evan maybe you should post some random shots for all of us living vicariously through your resto  ;D

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on August 15, 2011, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: cjheath on August 13, 2011, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on August 12, 2011, 10:51:38 PM
There are two factory speaker holes either side of the centre console, which I'll use with some small speakers.  I have original factory speaker grilles to fit there, so it'll look quite subtle I hope.

The actual sound projection from this location couldn't be much worse, unfortunately, and there's really no-where else you can easily hide front speakers, even small tweeters, without them standing out like a sore thumb. At least we have that fabulous engine to listen to  :) My main speakers are mounted in the panels beside the rear seat, instead of the ash trays.

True  but nethertheless, with two speakers in either the back parcel shelf (where they can get cooked :) ) or/alternatively in the rear side panels, from my experience the ones in the front console really don't matter all that much.  Just fill in a little of the sound
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 15, 2011, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: cjheath on August 13, 2011, 03:00:15 PM
The actual sound projection from this location couldn't be much worse, unfortunately, and there's really no-where else you can easily hide front speakers, even small tweeters, without them standing out like a sore thumb. At least we have that fabulous engine to listen to  :) My main speakers are mounted in the panels beside the rear seat, instead of the ash trays.

Hmm.  You're probably right.  I don't really feel like cutting my rear panels or parcel shelf yet.  I think I'll probably just end up without any stereo for now.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 15, 2011, 08:34:42 PM
Quote from: alfagtv58 on August 15, 2011, 12:09:38 PM
Evan maybe you should post some random shots for all of us living vicariously through your resto  ;D

I can do that.  Here's some of my wiring loom, which is now in Texas to be renewed by Lionel Velez (http://www.classicwiring.com/).  Shame about the Aussie dollar...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 15, 2011, 08:38:38 PM
...and this metal trim which I got the other day thanks to a kind benefactor.  Chocolate fish for the first to identify it?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 15, 2011, 08:53:53 PM
B pillar door seal frame- holds the gasket where the door frame side face closes against the body.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 15, 2011, 08:57:22 PM
Quote from: pancho on August 15, 2011, 08:53:53 PM
B pillar door seal frame- holds the gasket where the door frame side face closes against the body.

Incorrect  :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 15, 2011, 09:02:16 PM
Do I get another chance? I can only think that it might be located at the base of either Front or rear windscreen
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 15, 2011, 09:06:19 PM
Bingo.  The trim that sits at the back of the rear parcel shelf, just below the glass.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 15, 2011, 09:08:46 PM
Did it get missed during the bodywork stage or is it put on after the body is done for some reason?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 15, 2011, 09:23:26 PM
It's rivetted to the rear parcel shelf (the vinyl covered one) which is then screwed in.  Painted black - wrinkle paint by the look of it.

There's some air vents in the metalwork just in front of the rear window glass.  Presumably these allowed a little air to flow from the boot and keep the rear window de-misted.  This trim was in front of those vents.

All of this was missing on my car, the parcel shelf replaced with a 1/2" sheet of craftwood covered in carpet.  Attached images of my replacement.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: branko.gt on August 16, 2011, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on August 15, 2011, 09:23:26 PM
......
There's some air vents in the metalwork just in front of the rear window glass.  Presumably these allowed a little air to flow from the boot and keep the rear window de-misted. 
....

There was a factory optional rear windscreen demister that was a small fan mounted in the boot and blowing air through those vents. That was before they came up with the heated rear screen :-).
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Simon Bidese on August 16, 2011, 11:53:10 AM
Evan,

I'm not sure if its just me but what's that at the bottom of image 27 and the top of image 28.  Its looks like an item of your mrs wardrobe got stuck nearby the sawing machine when the parcel shelf as done :)

Cheers

Simon
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on August 16, 2011, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on August 15, 2011, 08:38:38 PM
...and this metal trim which I got the other day thanks to a kind benefactor.  Chocolate fish for the first to identify it?

It goes around the back of the rear parcel shelf.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 16, 2011, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: cjheath on August 16, 2011, 04:20:12 PM
It goes around the back of the rear parcel shelf.

Err... did you miss Pancho's reply?  :D
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on August 16, 2011, 05:20:50 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on August 16, 2011, 05:09:39 PM
did you miss Pancho's reply?  :D

Yes, sorry. Browser tab was still open from last night, and I didn't refresh before replying. Sorry.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 23, 2011, 11:19:09 PM
Received this nice reproduction steering column shroud via AlfaBB.  I'm sadly addicted to the for sale postings.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Krishnan Pasupathi on August 24, 2011, 08:08:51 AM
Howdy Evan,

Looks like your collection of bits is going well!

I saw you posted that you picked up the chrome console trim from Highwood Alfa and did the same. Have you happened to fit it yet? I'm at trying to fit mine and wondering are you supposed to heat it to get it to form around curves or is heating it going to destroy it?

Cheers
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 24, 2011, 08:17:47 AM
You're not alone Evan, thankfully I only have a handful of items to organise/find now.

Has the trimmer got the car yet?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 24, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: Krishnan Pasupathi on August 24, 2011, 08:08:51 AM
I saw you posted that you picked up the chrome console trim from Highwood Alfa and did the same. Have you happened to fit it yet? I'm at trying to fit mine and wondering are you supposed to heat it to get it to form around curves or is heating it going to destroy it?

There aren't any really curved parts on the 1750 console, just the strips up each side.  Maybe ask Chris?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on August 25, 2011, 12:01:35 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on August 11, 2011, 03:43:37 PM

I won't be installing a radio, and I asked Sam to fill the antenna hole which was on the front left guard.  I think I'll fit a small ipod amplifier in the glovebox, but haven't got far with that thinking.

Have you seen the standard look radios with iPod connection (http://www.serpentautosport.com/HTML/Audio.html), I like it.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 25, 2011, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: alfagtv58 on August 25, 2011, 12:01:35 PM
Have you seen the standard look radios with iPod connection (http://www.serpentautosport.com/HTML/Audio.html), I like it.

Those look great, but I'd rather not cut my new wood trim for the dash.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on August 25, 2011, 04:07:58 PM
Or for those that want navigation with an old look and feel:

http://files.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/default.pdf?pool=uk&type=download&id=classic-galleryanddownloads-downloads-radio-pdf&lang=none&filetype=default&version=3

(can be had without the branding but you'd need to add Australian maps...)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AikenDrum105 on August 26, 2011, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: aggie57 on August 25, 2011, 04:07:58 PM
Or for those that want navigation with an old look and feel:

http://files.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/default.pdf?pool=uk&type=download&id=classic-galleryanddownloads-downloads-radio-pdf&lang=none&filetype=default&version=3

(can be had without the branding but you'd need to add Australian maps...)

Now that looks the business....     The other retro ones are a) massively cheaper and b) look old enough not to get knocked off and c) are cheap enough that it doesn't matter if they do....    - but those porsche units..... shiny ... :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on August 26, 2011, 12:12:07 PM
I suppose though that next they will come up with a classic looking unit for your Iphone, Ipad, laptop or DVD player and screen, what next ?? ???  WII in car systems so you can pretend you are driving  ;D
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 29, 2011, 12:12:53 AM
Quote from: pancho on August 24, 2011, 08:17:47 AM
Has the trimmer got the car yet?
The car is indeed at the trimmers, I'm not sure how long he wants it for to install the headlining.

Last week I collected the bonnet, boot, and scuttle panel to bring home - promising Sam I would put them in a safe place.  Amazing how much space a car takes up when it's in pieces.  I wonder how long we can live with half our spare room filled with car panels and boxes of parts?  Surely no more than 2-3 years?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 29, 2011, 09:22:07 AM
candy candy!

Why Evan, is the bootlid off the car ? I can understand the bonnet as the engine needs to go in but the bootlid ?

Front and rear glass cannot go in until the headlining is on - am I right ?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 29, 2011, 09:26:57 AM
Sam's convinced I would scratch up the doors putting the interior back in (he's probably right) so he wanted to take off the doors.  The bonnet is off to make it easier to fit everything in the engine bay.  I agree - didn't really need to take the boot off, but I guess it does no harm.

Correct on the glass.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on August 29, 2011, 09:46:05 AM
But Sam himself is puting the doors back on when the interior is done - right !? (I hope so :) )
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 02, 2011, 12:14:26 AM
In the category of 'was I drunk when I bought this?'
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 02, 2011, 12:17:19 AM
Started to fiddle with the dashboard timber veneer...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 02, 2011, 12:19:32 AM
Fitted the small veneer sections to the dash.  Fiddly to cut holes for the bulb holders.  I like my dremel!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 06, 2011, 11:20:04 PM
This badge has sat on top of our fridge staring at me for six odd years until I fitted it tonight.  The new dash veneer looks fantastic.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on September 07, 2011, 07:53:42 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on September 06, 2011, 11:20:04 PM
This badge has sat on top of our fridge staring at me for six odd years until I fitted it tonight.  The new dash veneer looks fantastic.

Nice Evan - looks like you've got a really good fit on the glove box lid as well. 
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on September 07, 2011, 07:57:55 AM
yeah, looks like paying attention in woodwork classes paid off Evan! This car is going to look awesome at this rate
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 15, 2011, 06:52:47 PM
The original tank in our GTV was rusted badly, and was also a 2-litre tank (taller and deeper).  Sam renewed this 1750 tank for us, and it looks great with stone-guard on the underside and gloss black on top.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on September 20, 2011, 12:44:31 PM
This car will be a shame to take out and get dirty Evan!

What did you choose with regards to the ipod setup ? Glovebox or similar hidden install ?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Sportscar Nut on September 22, 2011, 09:28:18 PM
Evan

Been away for a while so just catching up on your updates.

Dash looks great and slightly familiar?. 1750 glove boxes are made for the sound system as IMO, the dash looks beautiful (even without a period radio). Cool petrol tank too!

Regards
Paul

PS Can you recommend a strong Sud clutch as the pressure plate in mine collapsed yesterday!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on September 22, 2011, 10:26:14 PM
Hey Paul,

Yep the dash was yours - thanks for that!  I still need to get the repair at the front done.

Agreed on the stereo - if I fit something it'll be hidden in the glovebox, and probably just a little ipod amp from ebay.

Sorry not sure on the Sud clutch, I'd be interested in the answer however - post a question in the 900 series forum, you might get an answer from Messrs Musco and Pignataro?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 01, 2011, 08:41:06 PM
Haven't had much to post on here recently... still waiting for a space in the workshop for the car to go into.

I received these photos from Lionel Velez (http://classicwiring.com/) who has remade the wiring loom for the GTV.  The loom is matched perfectly with correct wire colours and markings.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on November 02, 2011, 07:36:59 AM
Looks great Evan  :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 05, 2011, 12:02:42 AM
The body is finally at the workshop!  Just a couple of crappy iPhone photos, I'll take some good shots of the headlining and other trim bits when I get down there with the real camera.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on November 05, 2011, 11:37:10 AM
Looking great Evan

Will be even greater once the NOS parts start being added.
Keep the story + picture comming= motivating many of us.

Robert
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on November 05, 2011, 04:58:03 PM
How does it feel to have it at this stage Evan and what tasks will you take on yourself?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 05, 2011, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: pancho on November 05, 2011, 04:58:03 PM
How does it feel to have it at this stage Evan and what tasks will you take on yourself?

Feels quite daunting, especially given how nice the car looks right now with nothing bolted to it...

I'm not sure exactly what jobs I'll do myself, I'd like to do as much as I can, but I'm realistic about my own abilities and also want to have a car at some stage.  My friends Bruno, Giancarlo, and John at Maranello Pur Sang keep things moving for me and I'll do as much as I can make time to do.

In simple terms: I'll have a crack at anything, but don't want things to stop moving because I don't have time or ability.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 14, 2011, 09:12:13 PM
So the 1750 GTV is safely in place at the workshop ready to start some assembly.  Here's some photos of the handiwork of the trimmer – the headlining fitted, and some of the vinyl edge strips and covers replaced.  Next steps will be the suspension, floor deadening, wiring loom (on it's way back from Lionel Velez), and brake lines.  No hurry.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on November 15, 2011, 07:53:38 AM
Hey Evan, it is really looking good.  Will be so good to get to put it all together, such a long way now in condition from where you started. A credit to all.  It certainly is keeping some nice company there in the workshop. 

Out of curiosity, and definitely not wishing to be critical, I was wondering why you chose Lionel for the new wiring loom.  Could it not be done locally?  I only ask, as I too enquired about getting him to make me a loom for my Giulia Super, and apart from having to send him my old one, the price was something of a shock. I hadn't expected it to be so high.  Is this normal for wiring ??
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on November 15, 2011, 09:48:38 AM
I know Evan will respond accordingly but I believe you will be hard pressed to find someone as good as Lionel for wiring, from what I researched he is very renowned for this type of work. He uses original style connectors, original wiring, wrapping and accessories to create a better than new loom - from your original. For $1300-1500 for a new loom (now US$1600)- remember to factor in that he probably spends about 10-16 hours creating the loom and then add in the cost of materials. With what is involved I personally don't consider it expensive for a top quality item.

http://classicwiring.com/index.html
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on November 15, 2011, 09:55:09 AM
Hi Pancho, I don't disagree, it is just that Lionel quoted $1800, which in my mind (and bearing in mind I have no idea of an alternative costing for comparative purposes), was a lot of money.  I am not questioning the extent of work or even perhaps value, it is simply at this time it is too much for my meagre resources.  Hence was wondering if there might be an alternative anyone was aware of.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on November 15, 2011, 10:08:49 AM
sorry to hijack Evan's thread. Yes, you can save yourself a lot of cash if you buy the wire and connectors and do it yourself of course. At the end of the day it's mainly time that is the expensive part. Measuring, cutting, stripping, crimping and soldering ect. But that's the case with so much of a cars restoration as Evan and you would know. If you're strapped for time/space/skills then there is no choice but to not buy the wife a birthday and xmas present and get your wiring done - plus the car is a comfy place to sleep.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 16, 2011, 08:40:07 PM
I did not do much research locally, so I can't comment too much on how much I might have saved but I don't expect it to be massive.  I wasn't going to rebuild the loom myself.  I decided to have Lionel to do the loom for a few reasons, but mostly because he is an active member and contributor to the AlfaBB, demonstrated very nice work, had lots of recommendations, and was very happy to answer lots of questions over email.

There isn't a lot of careful reasoning that's gone into the restoration process - some things I've invested in on a whim.  I have a few parts with Franjo in Slovenia.  The postage was expensive, but the work he is doing is fantastic and I really enjoy his email updates with great quality photos.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 16, 2011, 08:51:28 PM
Example.  I now have some NOS GTV tail light housings, but I had already sent my originals to Franjo, and could use some spares.  He had not ever re-chromed the plastic bodies on these tail lights, but we decided to have a go anyway.  It is apparently difficult to get the chrome plating to stick on the plastic, so I knew ahead of time that this might not work perfectly.

Photos show the original peeling chrome, and the result of chemical stripping of the original chrome.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 16, 2011, 08:52:46 PM
Show here is the result of polishing the plastic to remove all clouding and pitting.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 16, 2011, 08:57:05 PM
And here is the result of the chrome plating.  Unfortunately the plating did not stick perfectly in one spot on the housing... so not a perfect restoration but I knew it was possible.  This spot will be painted and polished so as not to be visible, and these tail light housings will be good spares put away for the future.

Great fun to watch the detailed photos come in as Franjo does his work!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: David Mills on November 16, 2011, 09:44:34 PM
More hijacking of Evan's thread but on the subject of wiring, I would add that I have had some very helpful correspondence with Lionel but also visited to two Melbourne wiring makers who seem very good.  These are Vintage Wiring Harness in Ringwood and Classic Wiring Looms in Mount Evelyn.  The latter recently made a very good loom for a 1900 CSS faithful to the original black cotton covered wire with paint dipped coloured ends!!

Cheeers Dave
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on November 16, 2011, 10:40:43 PM
Hey guys I don't doubt for a second re how good Lionel's work is, as his response was great and yes for sure I appreciate the amount of work that goes into restoring/building a loom from scratch.  I too have seen many recommendations for his work on the BB.  I would be perfectly happy for him to do similar for me, if I could afford it but I can't at this time.  The alternatives such as suggested by David could be worth following up, at least the postage wouldn't be so much of an issue.

Likewise I also have been in touch previously with Franjo and if/when i can afford it, I would be most interested in getting him to work on specific aspects of my projects, but again these will have to wait.

My bloody house restoration project is perpetually keeping me poor and unable to work on my cars.  Frustrating, but I know it will get better one day.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on November 17, 2011, 09:03:31 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on November 16, 2011, 08:57:05 PM
And here is the result of the chrome plating.  Unfortunately the plating did not stick perfectly in one spot on the housing... so not a perfect restoration but I knew it was possible.  This spot will be painted and polished so as not to be visible, and these tail light housings will be good spares put away for the future.

Great fun to watch the detailed photos come in as Franjo does his work!

Evan,

I love the fact that you have been a pioneer and gone to this effort with a question mark over the end result.  This is the sort of thing that can pay dividends for the rest of us with a restoration in progress.  Well done.

They look fantastic by the way!

In regards to the wiring loom, does onyone know if Lionel can do a loom to incorporate a twin spark engine, or is it just 'as it was, so shall it be now'?

Phil
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 17, 2011, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: alfagtv58 on November 17, 2011, 09:03:31 AM
In regards to the wiring loom, does onyone know if Lionel can do a loom to incorporate a twin spark engine, or is it just 'as it was, so shall it be now'?

Lionel has added relays for the 105 headlights, so he can make modifications if required - however he did replicate most of my original loom.  I guess the only concern would be the length of run for the wiring?

Suggest you ask him: http://www.classicwiring.com/contact.html
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on November 17, 2011, 11:11:06 AM
Phil / Evan - when I asked if Lionel could assist with my loom he advised he could do whatever I needed however he would need a sample loom to make it from. So that would mean me grafting my TS requirements onto my original GTV loom. However I'll be doing things a little differently now with my wiring.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Sportscar Nut on November 17, 2011, 09:03:23 PM
Wow Evan, Franjo's work is very very impressive.

I was once told (??) that the metallic chrome over plastic that Alfa did on the 1750's was an extremely intricate process back in the 1960's. They had to build up the plastic with something like 5 different coats before the chrome could be applied. Apparently Rolls Royce was the only other manufacturer to chrome plastic moulds back in the 1960's.

Car is looking great.

PS Finished the 105 interior finally (after 3 years) but did not bring to Spettacolo. Really happy with end result.

Paul
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 02, 2012, 08:27:39 AM
Picked up a pair of NOS interior light / grab handles which are very tasty indeed – I've never seen these come up NOS before.  Many thanks to Pancho (http://www.ar10537.com/).

Things have gone slow on this project, but not stopped completely.  I'm cleaning up the diff/axle housings and going to collect the engine and gearbox as soon as I can.  Any spare time I have is meant to go to shitbox preparation anyway :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on March 02, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Hey Evan - yeah I've never seen them NOS before either - first set.

Was great to catch up again. Shitbox rally - oh yeah, that will be awesome.

Remember to let me know how you go with the stainless polishing.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 04, 2012, 10:26:12 PM
Spending a fair bit of time in the garage trying to clean the alloy diff casing.  Bloody stubborn baked on grease and also some hard baked on stuff that won't budge.  I've tried kero and a scotch-brite (thanks Colin), paint stripper (thanks Gary), and acetone.  Best success is kero and muscle.  Haven't tried alloy wheel cleaner yet, will give that a go next.

I tried reading this thread: http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=8386.15 but after having my head filled with kero and paint stripper fumes I just can't understand Neil's advice.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 06, 2012, 10:46:59 PM
Okay - so I'm still trying to get this diff housing clean, and it's becoming a bit of an obsession.  The underside and sides are actually very clean, it's just the top as shown in this photo.  The brown stains are not caked grease, they are really hard and seem etched into the surface.  They definitely don't dissolve in degreaser/kero/paintstripper like all the rest of the muck on the diff did.  Tried some alloy wheel cleaner tonight (alkaline) and that may have had a little effect but very little actual result.  Using lots of brushing/scrubbing/scotchbrite to assist.

Any tips, or do I just have to persevere a little bit each night?

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on March 06, 2012, 11:38:20 PM
Maguires mag wheel cleaner with scotch pads or stainless steel wool hasn't shifted it?

I have a dremel you can borrow - not sure which attachment you'd need but the offer is there.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on March 07, 2012, 02:35:46 AM
Evan - have you tried deoxidine?  I've had great success with it on alloy castings over the years for these types of stains. It's just a mild phosphoric acid mix. Wipe on, scrub with wire wool, wash off.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 12, 2012, 09:57:46 AM
Thanks Alister.  Where can you buy deoxidine?  I'll have a look at the usual places.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 12, 2012, 09:59:30 AM
Fiddling with the pedals for the GTV.  These pedals have a pressed-in bronze bushing which wears and makes the pedals loose and rattly, and the brake pedal from our car was particularly bad.  Rather than hunt for a suitable bushing, I went through a box of old pedals until I found a decent brake pedal and cleaned it up.  I still need to drill out the hole for the push rod clevis pin as it has worn into an oval.  When that's done I can tackle getting the pedals through the rubber gaiter without splitting it (!).  I've read that the best way is lots of hot water, plastic bag over the pivot end of the pedal arms, lots of olive oil and some good luck.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Craig_m67 on March 12, 2012, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on March 12, 2012, 09:57:46 AM
Thanks Alister.  Where can you buy deoxidine?  I'll have a look at the usual places.

Deoxidine is essentially (diluted) phosphoric acid. I bought some from the same place that sold me the epoxy primer.  Bunnings has a few equivalents at varying dilutions/conc.  I bought Ranex Rust Convertor from them which was priced best (by volume/conc.).  It did exactly the same thing as deoxidine.  I need more as I didn't apply the epoxy first time round, and whilst deoxidine does convert and protect - it doesn't protect for very long if it gets wet again.

Supercheap does a 3m version too.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 12, 2012, 08:25:27 PM
Thanks Craig.  I was up at Bunnings today and picked up some of that Ranex.  Came home and noticed that I already had a VHT equivalent on the shelf :-/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on March 13, 2012, 07:58:45 AM
Ha!  Doesnt that always happen!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 13, 2012, 10:16:31 PM
I came across some new clevis pins which fit very well and the holes aren't that out of round, so I decided to put the thing together.  Lots of hot water on the rubber, then plastic bags over the pedal bases, lots of olive oil, and pushed them through.  POP!  I really thought that the rubber would rip, but it didn't.  Happy with that.  Lots of heavy grease on the shafts and bolted it together.

Go on you dirty minded folk.  I dare ya.

P.S. this rubber gaiter was supplied by Highwood Alfa.  I've heard that there are different suppliers, some rip and some don't.  This one didn't.  This time.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on March 13, 2012, 10:55:20 PM
Lube, rubber, boots and Alfa.

Lucky I don't have a safe search filter enabled on my computer.  ;D

Looks great Evan, how long did you boil the gasket for and how much force to pop the pedals through?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: DaveT on March 14, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
I love the picture of the pedals on the chopping board on the SPAM bench...brilliant...and the olive oil, very fitting.

I used my parents inner city courtyard as a spray booth once. I painted all of the 'black bits' off my Fiat Spider in there...for some reason my folks didn't like the over spray shadows or the shiny black pot plants, don't know why.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 15, 2012, 11:16:39 PM
Quote from: pancho on March 13, 2012, 10:55:20 PMhow long did you boil the gasket for and how much force to pop the pedals through?

Two kettles of boiling water, for about 5 minutes.  Slippery plastic bag and lots of olive oil.  Much more force than I expected, put the pedal down on the chopping board and both hands pulling hard down on the rubber.  Bang!  But it didn't split.  I hope I have such luck with the petrol tank filler rubber cover...

Quote from: DaveT on March 14, 2012, 02:44:45 PM...for some reason my folks didn't like the over spray shadows or the shiny black pot plants, don't know why.

I was cleaning up the fuel hard line the other day and gave it a coat of silvery enamel rattle can - later on I was thinking 'why is the wheelie bin all sparkly?'.  Hmm.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on March 16, 2012, 06:24:33 AM
Keep up the great work Evan

Join the painted wheely bin club also.
I think my 2 burmese cats hide the toothbrushes at my home also.

I heard your headlight rim went for a race of Phillip Island in a Grp S race with Phil B (58)

Robert
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on March 16, 2012, 08:52:30 AM
Quote from: giulia_veloce on March 16, 2012, 06:24:33 AM
I heard your headlight rim went for a race of Phillip Island in a Grp S race with Phil B (58)

Evan,

I thought my ineptitude was our little secret.....
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on March 16, 2012, 01:11:47 PM
Oi Phil

Its all good
The headlight ring has been around the Philip Island race circuit flat out by you.
Before that is was on Jetstar at 800kph and 20,000 ft
Sorry,,ineptitude is a word beyond me.
Is that word a cousin of Altitude

Anyway,,Evan,,take the diff centre casing and get it soda blasted.
Some items are not worth the hassle of skin off fingers.
Or you can also try some trade quality Mag Wheel cleaner,as the stuff you buy off the shelf is too mild.
Maybe go to an auto detailer and buy 1 litre off him,or just soda blast it.

Robert
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 18, 2012, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: giulia_veloce on March 16, 2012, 01:11:47 PM
Anyway,,Evan,,take the diff centre casing and get it soda blasted.
Some items are not worth the hassle of skin off fingers.

Yep you're probably right - but I set myself a challenge to see if I could do it!  Pretty much done with now, you could eat off the alloy casing if you're that way inclined.  The engine alloy parts I will probably get vapour blasted when I get there.  Next part is to tidy up the axle tubes, disc backings etc and paint them black.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 18, 2012, 10:35:44 PM
I pulled apart, cleaned up and painted the window wiper mechanism, and greased the pivot points.  The motor I have is I think from an Alfetta with a 5-wire plug.  Now I know why the wipers didn't self-park.  The original motor is a 3-wire plug, I'm still not sure if it was one-speed or two?  (Pancho says definitely one speed, should I trust him?)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on March 19, 2012, 12:10:22 AM
I'll check my parts manual today and let you know if I have the right wiper motor. If I do, then I really do believe the wipers should be single speed. We can test it anyway.

Your Cars coming along great Evan!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Sportscar Nut on March 19, 2012, 08:56:21 PM
Sorry Pancho but windscreen wipers are two speed on the 1750 GTV S1. Factory owners manual I have states 'two speed'.

Hope the car is coming along well Evan!

Paul
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on March 19, 2012, 09:07:06 PM
Yep, Paul is right. Here is a scan of the S1 OM I had.

http://www.alfa-male.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/1750-GT-Veloce-S1_1330.pdf (http://www.alfa-male.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/1750-GT-Veloce-S1_1330.pdf)

Must have happened sometime in '67 as I have a '67 Super manual that also states 2 speed but the '66 Super manual doesn't.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on March 19, 2012, 09:24:23 PM
What part # is on the Bosch wiper motor you guys have?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2012, 09:46:51 PM
Pancho already knows this, but the part # listed in my 1968 parts manual is Bosch "0 390 326 002".  This is a three-wire motor.  Word on the AlfaBB is the three-wire motors could be one-speed or two-speed, but I haven't confirmed that.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on March 19, 2012, 09:54:37 PM
In my Sprint GT/ Veloce PM it has WS13/2H32 as the Bosch number for the motor assembly and the same Alfa part number as shown in Evan's 1750 PM.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: cjheath on March 19, 2012, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2012, 09:46:51 PM
Pancho already knows this, but the part # listed in my 1968 parts manual is Bosch "0 390 326 002".  This is a three-wire motor.  Word on the AlfaBB is the three-wire motors could be one-speed or two-speed, but I haven't confirmed that.

Wish someone could show me how to rewire the switch on mine so I get two speeds again. I used to have two, before the console was incorrectly removed (not by me). There's too many tabs and wires, must be hundreds of combinations... which is the right one? Or is my motor faulty?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on March 19, 2012, 11:22:49 PM
Ok, do how do we test then?

Mines a 66 - and I have the actual bosch motor - are the toggle switch part numbers the same?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on March 21, 2012, 05:25:18 AM
Bench testing a 3 wire wiper motor with a battery.
Using car jumper leeds,earth out the wiper motor and use the 3 wires on the positive terminal as discussed below

3 wire 105 early wiper motor
3 wires= Red,White + Green

Wiper motor earthed
Green wire= fast speed
Join Green + White= slow speed
Red = park,,in a certain position

Red wire will rotate,stop,rotate,stop,which is normal on bench testing.
When fitted to the car,,the drag on the windscreen will stop it,,but on its own= rotate,stop,rotate,stop etc
The wipers park at the bottom of the screen,so bench testing will give the above symptoms.

The above test using a NOS wiper motor.

Robert
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on March 21, 2012, 05:32:47 AM
105 coupe wiper motors

64=67 1300 + 1600 usually 1 speed
68= 1750 series 1 onwards = 2 speed

Im usually right,,but not always

1 speed wipers,on car with 2 position switch= off + on= are usually 2 speed wiper motors anyway,but only use 1 speed.

Robert
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 11, 2012, 09:59:41 PM
Picked up some parts from Pancho.  The 1750 boot badge is a very good used example, completely straight and perfect.  The reproduction badges available are not correct at all, and mine was bent so it's great to get this.

The windscreen wiper motor is a correct NOS unit, to replace the non-originale motor that was in the car – from an Alfetta I think, and the self-parking did not work.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 13, 2012, 08:28:24 AM
Quote from: giulia_veloce on March 21, 2012, 05:25:18 AM
Bench testing a 3 wire wiper motor with a battery.
Using car jumper leeds,earth out the wiper motor and use the 3 wires on the positive terminal as discussed below
<snip...>

I never said thank you Robert for doing the bench test.  I hope it helps other people understand the wiring and troubleshoot their wipers!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on May 14, 2012, 06:26:32 AM
All good Evan

I wonder how many tried the bench test.
Happy to help when I can.
Need more updates on your car Evan.
Its great reading.

Even stories of you polishing stuff in the lounge room while watching TV.

In my very early days,when space was limited,I assembled my race engine on the billiard table at home.
Dad was a builder,so form ply n plastic were put on top of the table first.
Mum n dad were overseas
Then many other times,,I would polish the Giulia Super NOS ,full 1 piece grille,while watching TV with the oldies.
When finished,it would go back on the wall in the study.
Its now in my office here at work.
Dad was never a car person,and could never understand why

Robert
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 02, 2012, 09:03:07 PM
*coff coff there's dust on this thread*

I got a parcel back from Franjo in Slovenia, who's restored a few parts for the GTV.  I came across Franjo's work on AlfaBB.com and he showed such passion and skill that I had to send him some parts.  He's done a brilliant job, and at a quite reasonable price really.  Other stainless parts will go to a local polisher.

Here's the GTV grille sections, painted and polished.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 02, 2012, 09:04:54 PM
Here's the reverse light - as it was before, and then re-chromed.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 02, 2012, 09:06:56 PM
Here's the steering wheel.  As it was, and after restoration.

This one knocked my socks off.  It's going to be nice to sit behind this wheel (one day).  ;D
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Sportscar Nut on July 10, 2012, 08:39:50 PM
Evan

Can understand why you are happy with the steering wheel - looks fantastic. Who/ how was it restored and what did you do with the Cross & serpent centre??

Appreciate the info.

Paul
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 10, 2012, 08:42:22 PM
Quote from: POC on July 10, 2012, 08:39:50 PM
Who/ how was it restored and what did you do with the Cross & serpent centre??

Hi Paul, you probably missed my first message on the previous page?  http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=363.msg56776#msg56776

Franjo in Slovenia did the wheel.  He supplied the cross & serpent centre, I'm not sure where.  PM me if you want his contact details to ask yourself.

cheers,
Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 15, 2012, 08:55:37 AM
Franjo has a website now - http://www.alfafranjo.com/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on October 01, 2012, 11:27:31 PM
Hoo haa - we've been busy with other projects so not much to report until the other day, when out of the blue Bruno and Dean started some reassembly!  The front suspension has started going back on the car, which is really nice to see.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AikenDrum105 on October 02, 2012, 02:17:02 PM
Love those first suspension back in shots - gets the motivation going again too when you have them back on wheels after a respray...   

That first muddy puddle is going to hurt...   

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 06, 2012, 08:33:04 PM
Recent evil-Bay acquisitions... a NOS 1750 GTV boot (trunk) badge which came in a bag and is totally pristine.  A pair of NOS C-pillar badges have weathered slightly but are still much nicer than the reproductions.  Even though they have the same part number, they are supposed to have a different curve for left and right sides – I can't see it by eye, will be interesting when we come to fit these.  The white enamel is much creamier on this pair than on the reproductions.  Wonder if I can polish up the gold part of the badges?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on November 06, 2012, 08:36:40 PM
Nice work Evan. I'd take the badges to a specialist in these things before you polish them - if it goes pear shaped you'll cry.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on November 07, 2012, 01:24:45 PM
Hi Evan, I think Pancho's advice makes sense, but if wished to try, perhaps using something like brasso might be worth a go.  It shouldn't hurt the gold as its abrasiveness is so slight.  I only suggest this as I have known of guys who after having repainted and wet/dry cut back finished up polishing with brasso.  An incredibly slow process but the effect was superb.   The other option and equally effective and mild could be jeweler's rouge.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 24, 2013, 10:49:20 PM
Noticed my post count on the forum hit 1968 - reminded me of this little project...  no progress to report sadly.  Making some more plans for the race car for this year though!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 29, 2013, 09:36:35 PM
My how time flies.  Work on the GTV is progressing again, first step is to get the car back on it's own feet.  The front suspension is mostly fitted, apart from springs and dampers.  The rear suspension went on today, with the axle tidied up and painted.  It's such a relatively clean job putting clean parts onto a clean body.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on January 30, 2013, 11:35:21 AM
Looking great Evan - nice job.  Time is only there to be lost so take as much of it as you need!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on January 30, 2013, 07:46:34 PM
To be clear - while I did most of the cleaning, sandblasting and painting of the suspension parts, the chaps at Maranello Pur Sang are doing the mechanical reassembly.  I lack time, patience, and aptitude - I just know I'll muck something up and have to pull it apart again...  I'll do anything on sh*tboxes but this car I want to be just right...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 06, 2013, 08:42:54 PM
Some further progress – the remanufactured wiring loom is roughly fitted.  The windscreen wiper mechanism and NOS three-wire motor installed.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 06, 2013, 08:44:11 PM
A couple of more shots...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on February 07, 2013, 01:25:58 PM
Beautiful loom Evan!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 25, 2013, 09:14:24 PM
Fuel tank fitted, with the fiddly rubber seal (boiling water required to soften the rubber).  Dynamat fitted to the firewall should keep things quiet.  Apparently the stuff is a bit fiddly if it's been sitting around for a while probably something best to buy just before you want to fit it.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 25, 2013, 09:15:58 PM
Steering box and column, pedal box, accelerator lever, and handbrake lever all fitted.  All the steering is together now, so the car can be put on the hoist and fitted with springs and other things from below.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 25, 2013, 09:17:11 PM
Detail of the rear axle with new droop straps, bump stops, handbrake cables fitted.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Paul Gulliver on February 25, 2013, 09:21:24 PM
QuoteDynamat fitted to the firewall should keep things quiet

Evan, If you looking to keep things quiet are you covering the transmission tunnel in Dyna mat ?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 25, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: Paul Gulliver on February 25, 2013, 09:21:24 PM
Evan, If you looking to keep things quiet are you covering the transmission tunnel in Dyna mat ?

Hadn't planned to add to the original deadening that is still in place on the tunnel.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Beatle on February 25, 2013, 10:12:37 PM
Can't hurt.

If you are not keen on sticking something to the floor, there are a variety of products you can simply install loosely under the carpet/mats to keep heat and noise down.  If you change your mind, lift the carpets and remove it.

I used a product marketed as TROCELLEN under my Duetto mats.  Basically a sheet of closed cell foam. Very light, easily worked, fire resistant etc etc.    Supposedly used by race car teams ................ 

Just be aware that anything impervious to moisture will not allow any trapped moisture between mat and floor sheetmetal to dry out easily.  Hence manufacturers tend to use fibrous underfelts.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on February 26, 2013, 07:52:07 AM
All sing: "I can feel a concourse coming on". 
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 26, 2013, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: aggie57 on February 26, 2013, 07:52:07 AM
All sing: "I can feel a concourse coming on".

Nope.  Plenty of flaws and non-originale bits on the car, it wouldn't win a concours.   Especially as IMO the standard of cars we see in concours is improving the last few years.  This will just be a nice tidy original car ready to drive  :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: DaveT on February 26, 2013, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on February 26, 2013, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: aggie57 on February 26, 2013, 07:52:07 AM
All sing: "I can feel a concourse coming on".

Nope.  Plenty of flaws and non-originale bits on the car, it wouldn't win a concours.   Especially as IMO the standard of cars we see in concours is improving the last few years.  This will just be a nice tidy original car ready to drive  :)

The best kind of restoration, everything done properly, but not so finicky you'll be worried about taking it out for a good thrashing!

Looking great Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Divano Veloce on March 01, 2013, 09:27:18 PM
Love your attention to detail Evan. White series 1 1750s are my favorite
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 01, 2013, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Mechanic on March 01, 2013, 09:27:18 PM
Love your attention to detail Evan. White series 1 1750s are my favorite

Thanks Mechanic.  I like the details, but have no talent.  Luckily I have the help of Bruno Colautti and his team who are good at the details and have no lack of talent.

Was fun watching the steering box go back together with John Rosa at Maranello Pur Sang.  The end of the steering column is machined to fit a roller bearing instead of the standard bushing.  Lots of new ball bearings go in, then when the unit is together there's various trial fittings and measurements to fit the correct shims.  John showed me how it feels 'just right' when it's shimmed correctly.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2013, 08:23:05 PM
As the GTV project is moving along again, it's not too many more steps before we put the dash and consoles in.  I started to think again about an audio solution.  I've dithered on this – I definitely don't want to cut the dash timbers to fit a classic face radio, and I don't really want to put in speakers in the parcel shelf or rear side panels.  I almost decided not to fit any audio at all.  Then I came across an interesting device called an 'iSimple'.  The small box is wired into a 12 volt source, and then delivers audio (and video) from an ipod or iphone to a set of RCA connectors.  The connector is powered, so it will also charge your ipod or iphone (Marco need not apply).

My plan is to wire in this device to a small amplifier, located in the glovebox.  For now I'll only fit speakers in the centre console – I understand they won't deliver huge sound, but that's not really what I'm after anyway.

For an amplifier I picked up a ridiculously cheap Lepai stereo amp from eBay – for the grand sum of $22.80 including shipping.  I'm really keen to hear this amp – I've read a bit about the Tripath chipset that is used and it sounds like these little amplifiers perform incredibly well for the price.

We'll give it a try anyway and see what it sounds like...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on March 19, 2013, 09:06:26 PM
Some small progress I forgot to post previously – here's the four brake calipers reconditioned, with new seal kits, plated bolts/nuts and new bleed screws.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 21, 2013, 11:12:02 PM
Small amount of progress to report.  Front springs and calipers are fitted, and some tatty spare wheels fitted so the car could be rolled around the workshop.  It has migrated onto the hoist now.  The steel fuel line is fitted, and the handbrake cable.  It's time now to make some new brake lines.

The tail lights were fitted a while ago.  Replica rubber seals aren't a perfect fit, but do the job.  As has been discussed at length earlier, these 1750 mk1 tail lights are unique and look fantastic.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on May 22, 2013, 12:26:47 PM
Looking good and always great to get it back on 4 wheels. 

Out of pure ignorance and/or for my education at least, a stupid question if I may, how does the 1750 S1 tail-light differ from earlier model GT/GT Sprint Veloces and/or even S2 1750s etc ?  I thought they were essentially the same design.  The only difference being whether Altissimo or Carello ???  I am intrigued.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on May 22, 2013, 01:06:18 PM
Be intrigued no longer.

Ill fire up a thread so as not to pollute Evans nice white build thread :D


Here>> http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=10752.msg66130#msg66130
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: branko.gt on May 22, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: pancho on May 22, 2013, 01:06:18 PM
....

Plastic housings:

GTV GTA GTJ GT 1750 S2
... White plastic housing with a partition built in. Carello marked Reproductions readily available and are not the same quality.

Altissimo
No known Altissimo plastic backed units.

....

the partition is actually a thin sheet of steel painted flat back that fits in a grove in both the housing and the lens

reproductions are made of clear plastic painted red and amber on the inside, the shape and the details are quite nice and crisp but the appearance of sprayed on colour is NQR. Immediately obvious repro.  I am not sure about the technology used but the original looks as if it was made of clear, read and amber plastic, not painted on afterwards.

I have seen Altissimo lenses with built in reflector, always thought they were repros rather then an OEM item.  Did not look as nice as Carello lenses.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 22, 2013, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: Davidm1750 on May 22, 2013, 12:26:47 PM
how does the 1750 S1 tail-light differ from earlier model GT/GT Sprint Veloces and/or even S2 1750s etc ?  I thought they were essentially the same design.

Refer to Pancho's linked topic for more detail, but the answer is here:

1.  Look at the tail lights on my car in this topic.  These are Carello 1750 mk1 tail lights.
2.  Look at any tail lights on any other 105 coupe.
3.  Visually note the difference. 

The 1750 mk1 tail lights are visually significantly different, and unique to this model.  As Pancho has stated there was a Altissimo version of essentially the same tail light design with subtle differences in construction, but I've never seen them in real life or heard of them on an Australian-delivered car.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on May 22, 2013, 08:42:23 PM
Thanks guys I am educated now :). Hope I have my original Carellos on my S1 1750. Better have a look at next time I visit the shed.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: branko.gt on May 22, 2013, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: Davidm1750 on May 22, 2013, 08:42:23 PM
Thanks guys I am educated now :). Hope I have my original Carellos on my S1 1750. Better have a look at next time I visit the shed.


As with all things Alfa, there are cases when S1 1750 is not quite an S1 but not really an S2. There were S1.5 known to come with plastic Carello rear lights.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on May 22, 2013, 10:51:37 PM
Thanks Branko, and just when I had thought it might be safe.  Hmn will be most interested to see now what I do have !!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: alfagtv58 on May 23, 2013, 08:47:31 AM
Spettacolo is a shoe in Evan.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 19, 2013, 09:35:30 PM
This is satisfying.

Chrome and stainless trim and bumpers have come back from the local polisher.  They're all wrapped up in paper or plastic to protect them, but the parts I uncovered are beautifully done – scratches and bumps have been removed and polished to a nice mirror shine.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 28, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Some more bits arrived from the polisher, after being re-chromed.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on July 29, 2013, 02:35:36 PM
Evan, was trying to figure out what the top (curved) piece is.  All looks really lovely and will be great to get back on the GTV.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: GTV-074 on July 29, 2013, 03:02:01 PM
Dave

The top one in the 2nd group is the outer shell / casing of the front indicators for the S1's ...... (top one on the 1st group is the front bumper where they attach to), correct me if i'm wrong...

All looks nice & shiny Evan, who did the work? (and was the cost resaonable? pm if you like)... will be up for some bumper polishing/straightening soon myself...

Cheers.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Davidm1600 on July 29, 2013, 06:16:50 PM
Thanks Evan, bloody hell of course it is, I just couldn't figure it out.  I am so used to seeing them of course with the indicator lens.

Not a problem, can PM you for sure.  All looks so lovely, including your bumpers etc.  Cheers Dave
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 29, 2013, 06:38:08 PM
Quote from: Davidm1750 on July 29, 2013, 06:16:50 PM
Thanks Evan, bloody hell of course it is, I just couldn't figure it out.  I am so used to seeing them of course with the indicator lens.

Not a problem, can PM you for sure.  All looks so lovely, including your bumpers etc.  Cheers Dave

Umm.  Dave that was GTV-074 that replied to you - not me.

I'll PM a little later GTV-074.  Cost was a little eye-watering simply because of the amount of items I got done at once, but fair I think.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 29, 2013, 11:40:53 PM
Refurbished and calibrated tachometer and speedometer returned from Howard Instruments.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on July 30, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on July 29, 2013, 11:40:53 PM
Refurbished and calibrated tachometer and speedometer returned from Howard Instruments.

Very noice!  Seriously, well done for mentioning the great work by a local supplier.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 30, 2013, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: aggie57 on July 30, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
Seriously, well done for mentioning the great work by a local supplier.

Agreed we should promote the locals!

Howard Instruments are in Heidelberg Heights.  Contact details: http://www.howardinstruments.com.au/

The brightwork was restored by Vic at Brighton Chrome Bumper Bars, Nepean Highway in Brighton.  03 9557 5276.

Trimming work is being done by Bray Mills, Darebin Rd in Thornbury.  03 9497 5509.

All highly recommended from me.

Of course reassembly and mechanical work is being done by club sponsor Bruno Collauti and his team at Maranello Pur Sang in Brunswick.  03 9386 9650.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 12, 2013, 02:28:20 PM
I found this old copy of Australian Classic Car, which I bought when published back in 1997.  I had my first Alfasud Ti back then, and knew very little about 105s but after reading this article I knew the 1750 GTV was the car to have!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on November 13, 2013, 08:44:50 AM
Yeah,,,great car the 105
When I saw this new post,,I was expecting an update on the cars progress
July 30
So,,wheres the update
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 13, 2013, 08:55:52 AM
Sorry Rob, things have definitely slowed down.  Waiting for me to extract an engine and gearbox and get things started on those.  It's been a slow winter, and it's still bloody freezing in Melbourne. What's up with that?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on November 13, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
Not a good enough excuse Evan

Every man deserves to spend a few nights a week in his man cave
Go to Daddy Day Care (Bunnings),,and get yourself a heater.
At least ,,in the freezing winter months,you can drive your 105 with the excellent heater.

Another beautifull Sunny day here in Sydney.
Might go to the beach later.
You could also move here
2 funny

Robert
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 04, 2015, 12:18:23 PM
Surprise!  You might see another update or two here in the next few months, as I finally extracted the engine and gearbox from storage so we can move forward with this project.  The last couple of years have seen another couple of projects get attention including a new engine and gearbox for the race car, so all energy and budget was going that way.  Now we're back in the game here.

Here's the engine as extracted from a garage in Preston after almost 15 years  :o

I have no idea if it's the original engine that came with the car from the factory, my paperwork file only goes back to the late 80s.  The head marking is correct for a 1750 GTV.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 04, 2015, 12:23:01 PM
I also retrieved the old radiator, which has now been professionally refurbished and tested and ready to fit.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: ItalCarGuy on June 05, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Good stuff Evan. Might help motivate me out of my project hibernation too... :-[
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Colin Byrne on June 05, 2015, 10:54:25 AM
What's the plan for cleaning up the engine Evan? water jet blasting? a million cans of degreaser from super cheap?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: werdna on June 05, 2015, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: Derek Entesano on June 05, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Good stuff Evan. Might help motivate me out of my project hibernation too... :-[

Which project Derek?  :D haha

Look forward to the pics Evan.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 05, 2015, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: Colin Byrne on June 05, 2015, 10:54:25 AM
What's the plan for cleaning up the engine Evan? water jet blasting? a million cans of degreaser from super cheap?

Water jet blasting is the plan. Expensive, but gee it looks nice and I only plan to do this once...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: AikenDrum105 on June 15, 2015, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on June 05, 2015, 09:38:40 PM
I only plan to do this once...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/85/30/5e/85305efdd72a102c6f368bc0627b695c.jpg)

Title: Re: Our very own &quot;barn find&quot;...
Post by: avi81n on June 19, 2015, 11:08:48 PM
Have you had an opportunity to test the iSimple setup Evan? I was planning to fit a modern Bluetooth streaming head unit behind the glove box door but this might be a better solution.
Title: Re: Our very own &quot;barn find&quot;...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 20, 2015, 08:42:03 AM
Quote from: avi81n on June 19, 2015, 11:08:48 PM
Have you had an opportunity to test the iSimple setup Evan? I was planning to fit a modern Bluetooth streaming head unit behind the glove box door but this might be a better solution.

I haven't yet Carl.  I've become hooked on bluetooth streaming everywhere else - in my house, other car, and portable speakers.  It's bloody convenient not having to hook up to cables.  So I thought I'd have another look at that option when we start making progress again.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on June 20, 2015, 03:31:54 PM
Good to see your project moving again Evan!

Keep it up 👍
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on October 29, 2015, 12:14:25 AM
It's only been sitting for 15 years, what could go wrong?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 12, 2015, 12:00:50 AM
After a few too-brief evenings in the workshop, the engine is stripped down.  Time to check out all the tolerances and decide what needs to be replaced.  I'll clean everything up and take the alloy bits off to be made shiny, and the headers off to be coated.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 12, 2015, 12:01:34 AM
The bare block.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: carlo rossi on November 12, 2015, 04:25:14 PM
great blog guys
can I ask how difficult is it to re ring and change sleeves with engine still  in car
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 12, 2015, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: carlo rossi on November 12, 2015, 04:25:14 PM
great blog guys
can I ask how difficult is it to re ring and change sleeves with engine still  in car

Yep you can ask, just hit the "New Topic" button and fire away.  I'm sure someone will answer.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: LaStregaNera on November 18, 2015, 10:12:25 AM
Quote from: carlo rossi on November 12, 2015, 04:25:14 PM
great blog guys
can I ask how difficult is it to re ring and change sleeves with engine still  in car
If you have a chamfer machined on the inside edge of the bottom of the sleeve to compress the rings as you slide the sleeve down, it's painfull but do-able. Without the chamfer it's impossible.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 18, 2015, 09:39:31 PM
Head already back from the machine shop (that was quick!) - reconditioned including new valve guides.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: michaeljc on January 23, 2016, 11:56:55 AM
Only just had a look through some of this restoration blog Evan. Great to have these sort of stories available. Seeing the nice reco head reminded me of a Fiat head I had reco'd years ago. As with many good projects it was many weeks / few months before engine was complete + installed + started. Result was one or 2 seized valves due to the reassembly oil having drained away over the storage time and the guides being way too dry at startup. Bill Freame recommended an STP high viscosity oil to apply to the valve stems/ guides on assembly to avoid this problem. Just wanted to share this with you before you start your engine to save unnecessary extra work + cost. I cannot remember the STP product but I am sure advice is freely available and it could be applied and the cams rotated to spread it up/down the valve stems.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 29, 2016, 11:02:28 PM
Exhaust headers are back from Competition Coatings in Coburg, they were ceramic coated inside and out.  The result is a nice dark cast grey which should look good in the engine bay.

Not much progress since we've all been very busy, but the crank went to the machine shop and came back balanced and ground.  The pistons and liners are fine just need some new rings.  Time to order bearings, rings, gaskets etc to put the engine back together.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on May 15, 2016, 09:16:19 PM
Good to see progress Evan, even if it is at a glacial pace.  :P
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 26, 2016, 08:30:52 PM
Engine is back in one piece.  Time to get moving!
Title: Re: Our very own &quot;barn find&quot;...
Post by: avi81n on June 26, 2016, 10:32:20 PM
Looks spectacular.


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Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Colin Byrne on July 08, 2016, 08:14:04 AM
Looking very good there mate!

Could you give us a bit more info on what you got done to the head?  I've Started giving my road car a bit of a freshen up and have pulled the engine down.  It was actually in really good nic inside, considering it was my old race engine!  but the head definitely needs some attention.

You said you got new guides, did you get new valves, or where they the original ones? did you have the seats machined?

it looks nice and clean also, did they do that or did you get it blasted or something?

cheers mate

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 16, 2016, 09:25:21 PM
Hi Colin, sorry for delayed response - been a bit busy!

The head was sent away to a machine shop, I'm not entirely sure what was done I'll have to ask Bruno.  Yep, original valves.  They sent the head back like that, I assume they blasted it. 

Immediately after that I took the head with the rest of the engine (block, sump, timing cover, valve cover) to be water blasted at Blast Off in Heidelberg.  It all comes back fantastically clean, very satisfying.  It took me hours to clean the baked on grease off it first though :-|
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 29, 2017, 02:07:29 PM
Making some progress again.  All new brake lines going on the car.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on April 29, 2017, 02:08:03 PM
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Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Garibaldi on April 29, 2017, 06:30:38 PM
Very nice Evan, it's coming along well. :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: bonno on April 30, 2017, 10:17:55 AM
Hi Evan,
The car looks like it's coming along nicely and you can probably see the light at the end of the tunnel. Should be brilliant when its finally finished and enjoy the rewards of your hard work for this ground up restoration. The barn yard post is a great idea to share your experience and gather information and assistance along the way. Maybe a power point presentation combined with any videos taken along the way on You tube after you have got it back on the road might be worth considering as you will definitely get a lot of interest/hits worldwide.
Cheers
bonno
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 02, 2017, 11:40:51 AM
These came in a while ago but I forgot to take pictures.  Weber carburettors refurbished by Thornbury Carburettor Service (https://www.thornburycarburettors.com.au/).
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 02, 2017, 09:32:43 PM
Engine and gearbox assembly almost ready to be dropped in.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on May 02, 2017, 09:34:30 PM
Brake line and reservoir details done.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Colin Byrne on May 03, 2017, 09:59:17 AM
Looking good mate!

Just a tip, i always take the carbies off when chucking the engines back in, just gives you some extra room to play with so you don't scratch that nice engine bay, also gives you good vision of the engine mount on the drivers side.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Colin Edwards on May 03, 2017, 03:27:50 PM
Hi Evan,

Look forward to seeing and hearing the car when finished. 

Pleased to know Thornbury are still in business.  I used to buy most of my Dellorto bits from them and Wilsons back in the pre EFI days.  They know their stuff.

Hope all goes well.

Colin

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: massiveluvbuddy67 on May 12, 2017, 08:02:45 PM
Maximum respect Evan.
I know you and the family will enjoy this beauty once completed.
A great blog.
Thank you of the restoration insights.
Phil
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 19, 2017, 03:08:20 PM
Some great progress in the last month.  I've been a bit grounded with a broken ankle and crutches, but still following progress keenly.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 19, 2017, 03:09:15 PM
Headlights fitted up.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 19, 2017, 03:10:19 PM
And finally the current state with hundreds of little under-bonnet details completed.  It will start this week!  First time since 1999.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Garibaldi on June 19, 2017, 03:12:39 PM
Looking great Evan, very exciting.  :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Paul Gulliver on June 19, 2017, 04:43:21 PM
Looks great . Don't forget the washer bag.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Colin Edwards on June 19, 2017, 08:05:30 PM
Geez Evan,
You've done pretty well on crutches!  HTF did you bust your ankle?
The cars looking a treat.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 19, 2017, 08:11:00 PM
I've supervised the work being done to our car from my crutches :)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: 310 on June 20, 2017, 09:56:37 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on June 19, 2017, 03:10:19 PM
And finally the current state with hundreds of little under-bonnet details completed.  It will start this week!  First time since 1999.
great job Evan it is great to see it back togerther LOL i was the last person to have the car running in 1999 at Dom's
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: LukeC on June 20, 2017, 10:18:46 PM
Looking great, but please... that scuttle drain hurts my eyes. A proper one is under 15 beer tickets from Classic Alfa!

Or about three metres of something very similar in the plumbing section of Bunnings for $30 and have the rest for your mates.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 21, 2017, 07:42:00 AM
Thanks Luke, but I believe the rubber hose (a very specific hose that flattens at the lower end) is correct for this early mk1 1750 GTV. Happy to be corrected, I can check my references.

Sorry for hurting your eyes, it's probably not the only thing you'd find insulting if you look closely.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: LukeC on June 21, 2017, 09:54:19 AM
I am always willing to be corrected by someone that can back up their knowledge. However, my aging memory tells me that hose is off an Alfetta sedan or GTV. Was a common thing to do once upon a time. Even I have used them.

Here is a picture of a one owner '68 build 1750 GTV that I recommissioned early last year. The only person that has ever performed major work on this car is me. You can see the grey corrugated hose.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 21, 2017, 08:16:27 PM
Hmm, need more data.  Attached is what I can find in the '68 parts manual - bottom right hand corner marked (1) I think is the drain hose, doesn't appear to be corrugated.  Matches up to what seemingly knowledgable people (particularly papajam on the alfabb) have claimed as well.

Anyone else have memory or another reference?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: LukeC on June 21, 2017, 10:07:43 PM
Can't call it either way on that parts diagram. It shows a non-corrugated pipe, but no molded end. I have sent a PM the Rob Panetta for his input.

Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on June 22, 2017, 07:09:18 AM
Hi Luke and Evan

Just my opinion of over 35 years playing with Alfas,customer cars.

Series 1 1750 and models before 1969 has what Evan has got = black rubber hose.
Series 2 1750,,some had the same,and some had the grey convoluted plastic hose.
All other models before 1968= 1600 ,1300 etc had black rubber hose.
All model 1750 series 2 and 2 litre after 1969 had grey convoluted plastic hose.
Good discussion,,but I would not let him lose any points at a Concours due to a changeover year period.

Papajam is a great source for originality,,but some things are different between Australia and America and RHD and LHD

Luke,,I would say Evan wins this time for a Series 1 1750...And I know you are very knowledgeable on all things 105 Alfa.
The Parts book shows 1 hose for all models including 2000 105s,which I deem incorrect=
105.00.57.179.02

Just an opinion.
Im sure Tony McKone would agree with me on this one.

Let the discussion begin

Robert
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: LukeC on June 22, 2017, 04:15:50 PM
No argument from me. Love learning any new about Alfas.

Hey, I learnt the other week that some 75s have 5.5" wide wheels. I always thought they were 6.5"s...

Off the top of your head Rob, what is the part number for the wing nut for the drivers seat headrest on a series 1 1750 GTV?  ;)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 22, 2017, 05:38:56 PM
Thanks chaps, I really wasn't sure.
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Post by: rowan_bris on June 22, 2017, 06:53:04 PM
Luke 6.5 on 3.0 litre 75s I think.  Ps I am quite sure the rubber hose is right for a series 1 1750
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Post by: giulia_veloce on June 22, 2017, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: LukeC on June 22, 2017, 04:15:50 PM
No argument from me. Love learning any new about Alfas.

Hey, I learnt the other week that some 75s have 5.5" wide wheels. I always thought they were 6.5"s...

Off the top of your head Rob, what is the part number for the wing nut for the drivers seat headrest on a series 1 1750 GTV?  ;)

From the top of my head Luke,,I have no idea.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: giulia_veloce on June 23, 2017, 06:32:28 AM
Hi Luke..

Drivers seat did not have an adjustable headrest on a 1750 series 1
The passenger seat did

Evan,,your car is coming along real well.
Slow process putting it all back together,,but the end result will be rewarding.
Likeing all the NOS parts you are fitting and the cleanliness.

Looking forward to the future articles
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: LukeC on June 23, 2017, 07:20:44 AM
QuoteDrivers seat did not have an adjustable headrest on a 1750 series 1
The passenger seat did

Exactly!

Yes looking great: Ready for Spectacollo? I think I will come down again.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: massiveluvbuddy67 on June 28, 2017, 08:40:01 PM
Great work Evan. One of the great car forum posts!
What is the next project?
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Post by: avi81n on August 15, 2017, 03:42:06 PM
Hi Evan,
I'm catching up on this thread after a long time not looking! Looks great. I'm getting close to that point myself - finally! Quick question of you don't mind .... where are the horns mounted on yours? I recall they are below the front passenger Headlight but not sure. Cheers
Carl


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Post by: avi81n on August 16, 2017, 10:22:49 AM
Also curious to know if you have fitted the pedal box rubber seal yet? How did it go?


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Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 15, 2017, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: avi81n on August 16, 2017, 10:22:49 AM
Also curious to know if you have fitted the pedal box rubber seal yet? How did it go?

Sorry Carl, I totally missed this message.  Yep the pedal rubber is fun to fit.  I used a plastic bag over each pedal shaft, coated with lots of olive oil (Italian of course).

http://alfa.bottch.com/2012/03/1750-gtv-march-2012/
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 15, 2017, 01:51:25 PM
Welcome back to the ongoing slow restoration of this 1750 GTV.  This post covers a period effectively from May until now, with not a huge amount of action.  Back in May we had a couple of vinyl repairs done to my very-good-but-not-quite-perfect dash.  I'm quite happy with the results, certainly good enough for me.  The dash is now fitted, see below.
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Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 15, 2017, 01:52:35 PM
Back in May, the rebuilt engine was started for the first time also.



Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 15, 2017, 01:53:17 PM
In September, the seats came back from the trimmer fitted with new seat covers.  I acquired the seat covers back in 2010 from Alfaholics.  They look fantastic, can't wait to sit in them!  (NB: clearly I can wait, it's been a long time now).  No photos of the rear seats yet sorry.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 15, 2017, 01:54:15 PM
And that is where the car is at, while other car projects proceed – particularly the race car after a year of sitting still is getting a good thrashing this month.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: bonno on November 15, 2017, 02:20:28 PM
Evan
The car looks absolutely fantastic and those seats look brilliant. If you don't mind me asking, do you anticipate it be ready for Alfesta 2018, as I would love to see it in the flesh so to speak and I anticipate it would attract a lot of interest from followers of this post. I must say that the time and effort, let alone the cost you have put into the restoration is highly commendable and congratulate you with the progress so far.
Cheers
bonno
Frank
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Post by: avi81n on November 15, 2017, 05:02:55 PM
Thanks for the pedal info Evan. I really should post an update on mine....


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Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on November 15, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
Quote from: bonno on November 15, 2017, 02:20:28 PM
If you don't mind me asking, do you anticipate it be ready for Alfesta 2018

I don't make schedules and plans.  I won't be at Alfesta next year, and doubtful the car will be driven before then.  Maybe Spettacolo in 2019 and Auto Italia 2020?
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: bonno on November 16, 2017, 08:40:38 AM
Thanks, probably catch up at Auto Italia.
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Post by: Colin Byrne on November 16, 2017, 06:16:23 PM
Looking good mate! Love those seats!
When's the cage going in?  ;)
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Post by: alfagtv100 (Biggus) on December 17, 2017, 09:33:33 PM
Outstanding Evan. Now that Gary Pearce has retired from racing, I need a sparring partner to encourage me to return to the track.
Your car is looking beautiful but it lacks stone chips and oil stains.
I am waiting for you. [emoji16]

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Post by: massiveluvbuddy67 on January 02, 2018, 07:33:36 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on November 15, 2017, 01:54:15 PM
And that is where the car is at, while other car projects proceed – particularly the race car after a year of sitting still is getting a good thrashing this month.

Very beautiful Evan...best to Fi and Jack.
Phil
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: pancho on January 15, 2018, 08:41:34 AM
Keep up the great work Evan!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 10, 2018, 02:40:24 PM
Another thread re-boot.  Bruno has been busy, with lots of work gone into the 1750GTV over the last few months.  The rear quarter windows are in with a myriad of little trim screws and bits and pieces, the rear seats, more dynamat, the rear trims inside.  Now ready for carpet to go in with an extra layer of glued underlay.  We looked at the black carpet set I ordered in 2011 (!) and decided that we could do better - have ordered from Classic Alfa what should be the correct dark grey for the 1750 GTV.

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Post by: Evan Bottcher on July 10, 2018, 02:43:03 PM
More photos - quality isn't great, I need to drag the SLR down to the workshop again.

The centre consoles are together with new timbers and silver plastic edging.  The interior on the 1750GTV is one of my favourites of any car, so it's very nice to see these done.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Paul Gulliver on July 10, 2018, 03:43:16 PM
Evan , not sure on how slavishly you are following originality . One compromise on my 105 for 21 st century  usability  was fitting inertia reel seat belts for the front . The inertia reel part of the belt can be hidden in the rear side panel and then exit out the rear passenger ashtray ( whilst still retaining the ashtray fascia) . Vivian Hyrons @ the then 105 factory did mine and it is very neat. You forget how untidy and messy non inertia reel  seat belts are. 
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 05, 2018, 06:38:03 AM
(Thanks Gully!  Sorry forgot to reply)

Here's the carpets fitted.  The steering wheel is just a placeholder.  The glass and lots of minor brightwork is fitted now.

Looking good to be driven this year, I'm finally able to say :)

The car turns 50 on 21st December, and I'm hoping Fi and I can take it for a drive to a nice winery and toast it's birthday  8)
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on August 05, 2018, 01:13:38 PM
Very nice Evan.  Is it still at Bruno's?  I'm down in September, would be good to see progress first hand.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on August 05, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
Yep, still at Maranello - I think Bruno is enjoying putting it together very much! All clean parts...
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: aggie57 on August 05, 2018, 03:27:21 PM
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on August 05, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
Yep, still at Maranello - I think Bruno is enjoying putting it together very much! All clean parts...

Ha ha!  It's about the same age as AROCA 😊
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 28, 2021, 05:56:56 PM
Time to bring this thread up to date...

Okay so not a lot happened on the GTV project for a couple of years as we focused on other Alfa-related projects and life in general got busy.  The interior fit out slowly trickled along in the workshop in the background here and there during 2018 and 2019.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 28, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
Then suddenly 2020 and the global pandemic gripped the world, and Bruno suddenly had a bit more spare time and because I was locked inside I also wasn't distracting him with any of my other projects. The GTV project got a sudden acceleration.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 28, 2021, 06:01:41 PM
All those fiddly polished stainless bits!
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 28, 2021, 06:02:36 PM
And so in September 2020, we brought our baby home – fully complete and on a club permit and ready to drive.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Evan Bottcher on February 28, 2021, 06:03:27 PM
It arrived with us during the 'ring of steel' lockdown here in Melbourne, and we've only done a few short jaunts out of town in that time. I haven't even managed to get it somewhere nice for a proper photo shoot. It is LOVELY to drive, everything I'd hoped for as everything is renewed and refreshed and tight.

Hopefully over the coming months things will return to more of a sense of normal, and we'll be out and about more in this car in club events and such.

This is the end of a long enjoyable chapter of restoration. Now we can enjoy the car in the next chapter of driving and exploring.
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Post by: bazzbazz on February 28, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
Very "shmick" and a credit to all involved.

Just one thing, can anyone explain why they chose to have the tail pipe stick out at an angle like that?  ???

Just looks odd.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: GTV-074 on February 28, 2021, 08:13:30 PM
Nice work Evan, congrats on the resto and the journey.

Time to enjoy it now before the petrol runs out!

Cheers.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: Paul Gulliver on February 28, 2021, 10:02:47 PM
Evan , it looks sensational but i bet you none of those photos do the car justice. I bet its even better in the flesh. Can't wait to see it . Have a talk to Gary Pearce about the Sunday morning  Peninsula Alfisti drive & coffee. 
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Post by: aggie57 on March 01, 2021, 01:18:34 PM
Fantastic to see more photo's of it Evan, you should be proud of the results.  Look forward to seeing it in the flesh one day soon.
Title: Re: Our very own "barn find"...
Post by: bonno on March 01, 2021, 01:45:51 PM
She looks absolutely fantastic Evan and congratulations on a wonderful restoration of your barn find. Thanks for sharing your journey and provide some insight into the build along the way. Now finally it's time to enjoy the exhilarating experience driving these classic Alfas provide.
Cheers
bonno