Any news yet?
We are waiting to enter? ;D
Trev,
The committee for the 6hr has its first meeting on the 22nd to approve 09 Supps, so we should have then out early May if not sooner.
Cheers - thanks for that
Big Trev
I believe that the Entry Forms and Supp Regs for the 6 Hour are being finalised and should be available very soon.
Apologies for the lack of information/news
Barry
Yes I am home, working day and night on the SR and EF, hence not time wasting to answer emails, almost done (95%), was to be out this weekend but delayed for a day or so, hopefully Wednesday as it is the next night that I am free.
I will post on Wednesday.
Neil
Team Managers' meeting at Bell's Hotel this Wednesday night 2 September 8pm.
Team members welcome also.
Q&A session for all, organizers on hand to answer questions and queries.
See you there
Neil
hi
a friend of mine has missed out on an entry in the six hour
is there any teams that are short of a car/driver
john has ran the six hour before so has a fair idea what its about
he has an escort sports sedan
cheers
ian
Ok Neil, l've just emptied two inches out of the rain guage- did l hear you say you are postponing the six hour for a couple of weeks........... Time to get out the grass skirt and do a reverse rain dance l think :)
It'll be all good Brett. Every forecast I have looked at have the days as slightly overcast but around the 20 degree mark......the nights however are just above the freezing mark, pack the thermals for the evening!!
My knees are sore from all the praying the past week and I have paid the weather god so hopefully.............
Did you know 90% of the entry fee goes to the weather god.
Current forecast
SAT Mostly Sunny. Mild. 13 km/h SSW 46% 6 19
SUN Mostly Sunny. Mild. 6 km/h WSW - 33% 5 22
Cheers
Neil
Getting excited now :o
Alister Grigg is in the process of cancelling his room for Friday & Saturday nights at the Benalla Comfort Inn if anyone wants a room for the 6-hour. ph (03) 5762 4088
Doug
have a safe trip up there everyone
ian
Big Trev couldnt agree more about everything except the winner. Shirts were good though. Congrats Neil and the Alfa organizes . Another great event.
Hi, thanks for a great event, it was a lot of fun. Sorry but I have to have a little whinge about a couple of things, firstly we had a great time and the event was run extremely well however better radar devices need to be used if penalties are going to be handed out. Secondly being a part of the Pedders shirt crew it was extremely dissapointing to find that they did not win the best presented team as they had spent literally thousands to make sure they had a good show for everyone, and for the event! Everyone noticed them, can't say the same for the team that won!
Thirdly, I was looking through the event stats and the team that came second, one guy did 78 laps i think before bonus laps were awarded, which was 40% of the total team laps, I was under the impression that this was not allowed?
But thanks for a fun day, see you next year.
Shrek
Firstly, the radar gun was an aid. The official is still the judge of fact and secondly we allowed a significant margin over 40 km/h (which I won't disclose, but its way more than any potential inaccuracy of the device). I forget who was pinged for speeding, but believe me, if it was one of your guys - they deserved it. In previous years pitlane speed has been a problem with numerous drivers getting penalties. This year you'd make a rude sign with the number of fingers required for counting them. The average pitlane speed was around 30 km/h. There is no advantage at all in reducing the time in pitlane (and therefore driving at the speed limit). Typically its guys moving to the back of the pits AFTER their drive that are the offenders which makes even less sense. On Sunday we had 204 cars in 42 teams with towards 70 officials plus friends, family team managers & mechanics. There are too many people milling around the pits for there to be any latitude, especially with the trouble we have with teams wanting to have additional people (& even kids) at the pit wall..
As an aside, in the last 2 years are prime concern about driver discipline was blendline & pit lane speed. This year I was aghast at the number of passing under yellow incidents and especially under double waved yellow. In one case within sight of a recovery vehicle and officials on the track. Get ready for a crackdown on that next year. I've had one experience of phoning a guy's wife to say he was being choppered to hospital and I didn't like it.
Secondly, I don't have the results in front of me - or my notes which are now with Neil. However, we did look at the 40% rule for each of the top 5 teams before we announced the winners and all complied. There is nothing the Alfa Club like about handing prizes to Truimphs (typed with a grin).
The shirts were good and thankfully I have nothing to do with that judging.
Hope to see you next year. email me if you want me to elaborate: admin@test-trak.com
Doug
Trev
Thanks. But I'll reiterate that we were not taking the Vic Police attitude of getting people for 1 - 2 km over. When we ping someone for speed its because they are well over AND in the vicinity of other cars & people where it would be prudent to be less than the limit. I'm extremely comfortable with our approach (and I know the speed). But we'll look at the Winton guns for next year.
Doug
Quote from: shrek on October 20, 2009, 01:27:08 PM
Hi, thanks for a great event, it was a lot of fun. Sorry but I have to have a little whinge about a couple of things, firstly we had a great time and the event was run extremely well however better radar devices need to be used if penalties are going to be handed out. Secondly being a part of the Pedders shirt crew it was extremely dissapointing to find that they did not win the best presented team as they had spent literally thousands to make sure they had a good show for everyone, and for the event! Everyone noticed them, can't say the same for the team that won!
Thirdly, I was looking through the event stats and the team that came second, one guy did 78 laps i think before bonus laps were awarded, which was 40% of the total team laps, I was under the impression that this was not allowed?
But thanks for a fun day, see you next year.
You were under the wrong impression then. The wording is
no more than 40%. He did 40%, what's the problem?
And also, whinging about not getting best-presented team. Really?
Note that best-presented is also awarded on car condition and team deportment, not just how much you spent on shirts. But I think Big Trev may have made that point already. And yes, everyone noticed you guys.
Other than that, thanks to everyone involved in the organisation, and to all the other drivers, it was a freakin fantastic day.
Quote from: Big Trev on October 20, 2009, 09:44:21 PM
Obviously your judgement wouldn't be clouded would it?
There were some small issues from my point of view which I have rasied with Neil via email, I won't announce them publicly, but Shrek might not have access to Neil's email so this is his way of vocalising.
Just coz you are involved doesn't mean it was a perfect event, there may be issues from the 204 other competitors points of view or the 70 VOLUNTEERS who help run it.
Keep your shirt on, someone might actually give you some positive criticism that could help in future events.
Trevor Lee
Shepparton
Well, if you think there were issues, what is the point of keeping them secret? What is the harm in sharing them for us all to debate and have an opinion on?
I am utterly disappointed with the event, my team didn't win despite the special rule says that my team is to win regardless.
I was also disappointed that I wasn't give a special session when only my team were allowed on the track to qualify.
I was very disappointed that on Sunday the track allowed everyone else on the track, I have specifically stated that only my team was to be on the track to complete our laps without traffic.
I was disappointed that I was not served my machiato while I waited in my car for my stint.
I was disappointed that the track was not swept before I went onto the track.
I was disappointed that I wasn't given a royal entrance to the track.
I was disappointed that I didn't win the sheep station. But that's okay, I can buy 50 of those $5 trophies.
I was disappointed that no one came out to polish my car before I went onto the track.
I was disappointed that the event did not organize a pit crew for my team.
I was disappointed that my team didn't win the best presented team.
I was disappointed that I received one of those brick-like Dorians rather than the credit card ones.
I was disappointed that the yellow flag was a different shade of yellow at different flag points.
I was disappointed that the chequered flag was black and white chequered.
I was disappointed that the ripple strips were marked with tyre marks.
I was disappointed that the event didn't organize any grid girls for me.
I was disappointed that my tyres were black.
I was disappointed that the sky was blue.
I was disappointed that someone didn't put sugar in my coffee.
i was disappointed that my petrol has a yellow dye in it.
I was disappointed that petrol smells like petrol.
I was disappointed that my race number was 21.
I was disappointed that I couldn't name the event "Neil's 6 hr relay".
I was disappointed that I had drive a white car.
I was disappointed that I had to get out of bed.
Mmmmm, what else can I complain and whinge about, I will get back to you once I take my medication.
But I had a great time.
Neil
I have no problem with using radar guns in pit lane, no one in our team got pinged for speeding anyway, but if you are going to do it, get fair dinkum about it, get calibrated guns and slap a 5 lap penalty on anybody transgressing the speed limit. I was raising the issue because a lot of people were complaining about it, thats all.
As for taking it too seriously, we did not, but we tried as hard as anybody else to win. Our downfall was that we were too fast and kept breaking out, terrible problem to have! It is a grass roots event but my point is that if there are rules that are attracting penalties, then the methods used need to be unquestionable, which it seems they weren't in some instances. I reiterate that we had a great time, it was great fun and if we are to lose by our own actions, I'll accept that every time, but if the systems put in place are not accurate, I would hate to lose because of them.
I am smiling while writing this, not frowning. I just think that positive criticism will make a better event in future.
Cheers
"I was disappointed that the event didn't organize any grid girls for me."
Awesome!
Now that you mention it......... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Fantastic event Neil and Co. We had an absolute blast!
And also a thankyou for the Pedders 'Bulls' for being so great with the kids.
Roll on next year!
Neil & I would organise the grid girls, but we can't figure out how to keep our wives off the selection committee.
Doug
Man you ALFA guys are precious. We were just trying to help you with some constructive criticism, but all you guys seem to be able to do is hang shit like little kids. I did expect a half intelligent response from someone there at least. Not to be I suppose?
Quote from: Doug Gould on October 21, 2009, 06:08:16 PM
Neil & I would organise the grid girls, but we can't figure out how to keep our wives off the selection committee.
Doug
I'm quite happy to lead the selection committee if required ;D
Quote from: Big Trev on October 21, 2009, 09:12:29 PM
I can tell you Alfa blokes that this forum is being read by many, many, many people, and are there are many who are recondisering their involvement in the 6 Hour based on the responses of a few on this forum.
Seriously? Who is being precious now?
Quote from: Big Trev on October 21, 2009, 09:12:29 PM
There are a some intelligent responses to the points raised, but there are equally as many childish ones which is disappointing.
As I gleaned in earlier posts, some perceived issues have been raised with Neil the appropriate avenue to encourage some intelligent discussion ... I don't see this forum as being the place. My 2c
I had the best weekend in the race car ever. Enough said.
Where else if not on the discussion forum of the AROCA to best discuss the AROCA 6 hour?
the 6 hour is always a good event and constructive critism is always good and a bit of neg is ok to but there are some users with in who think it is "fun" to post comments that just keep pi55ing everyone else off >:( we need to keep this place respectable so we can help others and them help us so if you do not have anything intelegent to say dont say it and if you have the need to go to another forum and annoy them
ok thats all ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: shrek on October 21, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
Where else if not on the discussion forum of the AROCA to best discuss the AROCA 6 hour?
Quote from: Brad Marshall on October 21, 2009, 09:30:23 PM
with Neil the appropriate avenue to encourage some intelligent discussion
Then the committee would discuss the issues.
Quote from: shrek on October 21, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
Where else if not on the discussion forum of the AROCA to best discuss the AROCA 6 hour?
An internet forum is a very public place - I look at the traffic logs and there are a very large number of folk who visit the forum (probably via google) who never register or write any messages. What impression do we want to leave on the world about the Alfa club, or the 6 hour event - even if there were some minor concerns about aspects of it's organisation? Maybe you could consider raising your concerns via Neil and the rest of the organising committee and see what they have to say privately before airing your feelings to the world?
Most people (myself included) find it difficult to write words that properly express tone - lighthearted, joking, or properly annoyed. So it's pretty easy to write something that's misinterpreted. It's also easy to quickly write something that's more angry than you would probably say to someone's face in person. I wish all the forum members would calm down a bit before they bang off an angry response.
I'm still going to share my opinion on one aspect though: coming on a public forum and complaining because your team didn't win a minor prize judged by a couple of volunteers (without any published judging criteria) is bloody ludicrous and deserving of ridicule.
Quote from: shrek on October 21, 2009, 07:32:43 PM
Man you ALFA guys are precious. We were just trying to help you with some constructive criticism, but all you guys seem to be able to do is hang shit like little kids. I did expect a half intelligent response from someone there at least. Not to be I suppose?
And as far as I can see, your two points of constructive criticism have been addressed in an intelligent manner. The first regarding pit lane speed is a valid point which has been addressed here, and I'm sure will be discussed by the organising committe. The second regarding the 40% rule has also been addressed.
I think everyone needs to take a step back and have another look at this whole thread. It seemed to me like there was a little bit of piss-taking, unfortunately it doesn't take much for people to get the wrong impression and the argument descends into a shit-fight. Going back and editing your posts so can 'change' your opinion in a later post doesn't help much either (but I'm not going to mention any names).
Personally I think most people appreciate the Pedder group's attitude to the event, and the effort you put into your appearance. But complaining that you didn't recieve enough accolades for it is a little, um...precious?
OK, I'm getting annoyed now. I tried to give Shrek an honest, frank reply because I think its consistent with the honest, open, friendly character we want the event to have. This is going on too long and turning into a forum of Chinese whispers. I also think its going beyond reasonable debate.
Here are the facts. Shrek (and Shrek alone) has raised 2 criticisms:
The first was about the math of the scoring, and its been shown the our math was correct.
The second was about pitlane speeds, with the assertion that it drew a lot of negative comments up and down pitlane. So, now let me tell you that just 1 guy was penalised for pitlane speed, that he was measured at some 18% over the limit and that it was at a congested time in the pits when it would have been prudent to be travelling at less than the limit. The penalty is 1 lap, which I don't think is enough to materially affect the results (a subject I'll be doing more work on in the coming weeks). I don't much care what is thought about the gun we used, but it isn't 18% inaccurate and it wasn't selectively inaccurate for 1 car out of the 204 entered. This car (and I still haven't checked my log to see who it was and I don't want to) was the single fastest car all day in the Pits. As far as I'm concerned, defending this guy is not constructive criticism (and I remind you that unless I check my log, as far as I know he could be an Alfa guy). The key safety issues at Winton that attract penalties are: blendline, pit & paddock speed, and obeying flag signals. I thought I made this pretty clear at the briefing.
I've posted my email for anyone wishing to discuss it in more detail, and no-one has contacted me. We actively try and improve the event each year. I've already made a formal written review of things for us to consider for next year and within the next couple of weeks we'll have a meeting of the committee to do a full postmortem. Anyone who wants to discuss real issue with me can email me on admin@test-trak.com. I'll respond with my real email & phone number with the caveat that I leave for an overseas business trip at the end of next week and its also my younger daughters first VCE exam, so things are getting hectic for me and some of my replies may not be immediate.
Doug
Trev
Thanks.
Doug
Big Trev
What number is the car you are chasing photos of?
I roamed around the circuit and took a few photos.
Ring me on 0405 383 431
Barry
Considering the non-professional nature of the event, I think the club, backed by a great team of volunteers did an incredibly fine job.
Highlights were many and there were very few negatives considering the scale of the event and the hordes of people involved.
I only have one gripe to flag for serious debate. Despite my subtle suggestions (on numerous occasions to many members), Neil did not end each driver briefing with 3 impassioned rounds of 'Can you dig it?'
(Thanks for the link Sheldon.)
Cheers,
Marco.
Quote from: Big Trev on October 28, 2009, 12:14:18 PM
Obviously an in-joke
No in-joke but it would be pretty funny.
"Welcome all to the 4th running of the AROCA Victoria 6-hour regularity event. Can you dig it?........
......Do not cross the blend line when entering the track. Can you dig it?...........
........There is no refuelling in the pits. Can you dig it people?............
..........Remember to return your dorians at the end of the day. I say, can you dig it?.........
Can you dig it?! (crowd applause)
CAN YOU DIG IT?!!! (crowd applause and cheers)
CAAAAANN YOOOOOUU DIG IIIIIIIIIIITTTTT?!!!!!!!!!! (crowd goes completely mental)"
I think I would piss my pants with laughter.
If it's good enough for Cookie Monster (1.07 in).
I love YouTube!
(And this thread has really gone off topic! ;D)
Quote from: Victor Lee on January 02, 2010, 02:20:37 PM
I love YouTube!
(And this thread has really gone off topic! ;D)
I hear Sheldon is offering a chocolate fish to anyone who can secure all the girls in that video for pit duties at the 2010 6 hour......
There you go, back on topic.
I dig it.