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Technical => 116 Series (Alfetta Sedan/GT/GTV & Giulietta Sedan) => Topic started by: Anth73 on July 19, 2020, 09:58:53 PM

Title: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: Anth73 on July 19, 2020, 09:58:53 PM
As often happens the drivers door mirror was snapped at the base. I picked up a replacement in good condition and fitted it today only to find that when the mirror locks in position, the angle is so acute that even with the glass angled all the way out I'm looking at the side vent and rear quarter window.

Can the angle at which the mirror locks in position be adjusted? I'm soaking the fastening nut in WD40 to try loosen it and hopefully adjust the angle of the mirror.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: bonno on July 19, 2020, 10:35:43 PM
Hi Anthony
Refer to another post on the subject of mirror adjustment (3 locking tabs  orientation)

http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=19873.15
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: Anth73 on July 20, 2020, 01:05:00 PM
Thanks Bono! Tried searching here and on AlfaBB without luck, so thanks for the link back to one of my original posts! LOL!
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: bteoh on July 20, 2020, 03:49:32 PM
Hi Anth73,
There are 3 raised bumps on the base which locks into 3 recessed areas in the mirror section. The spring keeps them locked into their respective positions. They do snap off and you have to find an experienced welder to weld it back. Not easy as the cast alloy part is very hard to weld.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: bteoh on July 20, 2020, 03:53:17 PM
Could the replacement mirror that you picked up be from a LHD car? That may explained the acute angle or someone may have repaired it at the base and welded it up wrongly?




Quote from: Anth73 on July 19, 2020, 09:58:53 PM
As often happens the drivers door mirror was snapped at the base. I picked up a replacement in good condition and fitted it today only to find that when the mirror locks in position, the angle is so acute that even with the glass angled all the way out I'm looking at the side vent and rear quarter window.

Can the angle at which the mirror locks in position be adjusted? I'm soaking the fastening nut in WD40 to try loosen it and hopefully adjust the angle of the mirror.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: GTVeloce on July 20, 2020, 09:50:26 PM
Yes, maybe it is actually a LHS base? You could compare it to my spares if that helps?
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: Anth73 on July 21, 2020, 12:03:22 PM
Got the mirror locally from Monza Motors so seems strange for it to possibly be a LHD mirror. Were the part numbers stamped on the collar different for LHD and RHD mirrors?
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: bonno on July 21, 2020, 12:45:14 PM
Correct me if I am mistaken, but I can't see how there could be 2 different model mirrors for LHD and RHD cars and yes the LHS and RHS mirrors are different and not interchangeable. I suspect the orientation is fixed for whatever reason and is not adjustable/foldable as designed (refer to previous post).
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: Anth73 on July 21, 2020, 05:21:30 PM
The mirror is complete and does fold. I have read that LHD and RHD mirrors are different re: they lock in different positions.

My mirror has the following numbers stamped on it:

- 31330 on the collar below the rear cover
- 0138694 on the collar below the mirror
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: rowan_bris on July 21, 2020, 05:39:08 PM
They are different.  I had a problem with passenger side mirrors apparently from LHD cars.  I couldn't see anything out of them.  I can out of the RHD mirror now attached.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: bonno on July 21, 2020, 06:32:48 PM
Hi Anth
Just checked the LHS mirror fitted to my Alfetta GTV and it corresponds to your P/N 31330 quoted in your post, refer to photo attached. I noticed that the photo in your initial post is RHS/DS mirror.  And thanks Rowan for confirming there is a difference between LHD and RHD cars.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: Anth73 on July 21, 2020, 07:20:09 PM
Photos of my driver's side mirror. Anyone able to check against their mirror? Hoping I wasn't mistakenly sold a LHD passenger mirror.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: rowan_bris on July 21, 2020, 07:31:38 PM
Wouldn't the mirror just face the wrong way if the base was turned 180 degrees?!
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: bonno on July 21, 2020, 07:44:04 PM
I think Sportiva has a point,  as if you look at the photos for 31330 of Anths and my post, red mirror is located on RHS/DS
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: Anth73 on July 21, 2020, 09:29:59 PM
That is possible...I'm not yet able to undo the nut to see if the locking position is adjustable. If it is fixed for both the base and the mirror then the only explanation would be a LHD right side base attached to a RHD right side mirror or vice verse. Hence why Ai was interested to see what numbers are stamped on your mirrors where mine has 0138694.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: bonno on July 22, 2020, 09:31:04 AM
Hi Anth
I think Sportiva meant that the mirrors are not interchangable in lieu of adjustable between LHS and RHS. Having said this I expect that once you are able to reposition the mirror to the next/middle detent you should be fine. Had a real close examination of my RHS mirror and could not distinguish the markings due to small crack and years of deteriation see photos of both mirrors viewed from front of vehicle.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: Anth73 on July 22, 2020, 11:57:10 AM
Confirmed my mirror has three positions it locks into. The first is parallel to the car with the mirror facing outwards. The second is the angle shown in my earlier photo that results in the mirror showing the C-pillar and rear quarter window area, not very useful as a drivers side mirror. The third position would require the drivers window to be down and the mirror would be inside the car!

Clearly something is amiss. Here's a photo of the part number for the base. At this stage I'm left scratching my head...
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: bonno on July 22, 2020, 03:40:50 PM
Hi Anth
Check to see whether the spigot has not sheared at the base or else, it is highly probable that you have a LHD RHS mirror as the driver position makes sense for your initial installation/post. To prove my point sit in passenger seat and see the difference in rear view visability. 
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: Anth73 on July 22, 2020, 04:29:46 PM
Quote from: bonno on July 22, 2020, 03:40:50 PM
Hi Anth
Check to see whether the spigot has not sheared at the base or else, it is highly probable that you have a LHD RHS mirror as the driver position makes sense for your initial installation/post. To prove my point sit in passenger seat and see the difference in rear view visability.

Funnily enough I just sat in the passenger seat. Bingo! Perfect view down the RHS of the car so yes, it's a LHD RHS mirror.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: GTVeloce on May 16, 2021, 08:30:37 PM
Old thread but I have extra to add that might be useful.

I have two sets of mirrors for a GTV/6 and currently have both LHS mirrors off and one RHS mirror off. Both my RHS mirrors are fine but one of the LHS mirror works well and the other is angled wrong, as per discussed earlier. I did wonder if it was partly a RHS mirror that had been modified to work on the LHS but when I look underneath, the stamped numbers are identical (all three mirrors have the same number) however, the RHS ends with DS and the both LHS mirrors end with SN. I am fairly confident DS is short for destra (right in Italian) and SN is short for sinistra (left in Italian).

Therefore it is very likely one of my LHS mirrors is from a LHD car.
Title: Re: Drivers door mirror locking position
Post by: Anth73 on May 26, 2021, 09:31:26 PM
Your Italian is correct and confirms the SN stamped on my mirror. Bravo!