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Technical => 940 Series (Giulietta, Mito and 4C) => Topic started by: Jgjgee on April 21, 2019, 11:08:32 AM

Title: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Jgjgee on April 21, 2019, 11:08:32 AM
Hi all,
Having enjoyed many countless hours in the garage working on older Alfa's, I would like to expand my basic service knowledge on the some the newer vehicles. My 2012 Giulietta QV is due for a basic service and I want to tackle this one myself  :o.  I have noticed that there doesn't appear to be a whole lot of information (in comparison to older 105s GTVs etc) out there regarding off the shelf /generic (Australian) service parts & products all in the one topic so hoping to confirm the parts I intend to use are compatible with my 1750 QV or even someone share some alternatives/experience. I know there are hundreds of products/brands. I don't intend to crack open a fresh can of worms but hoping to simply confirm the products below are at the very least compatible for someone attempting their first basic service on their Giulietta.

Basic service parts:


Engine Oil: Penrite Enviro+5w40 (Found this recommendation on the forum. Appears its compatible with ACEAC3 FIAT 9.55535-S1 certification)

Engine Oil filter: RYCO R2766P Supercheap lists this as compatible

Air Filter - RYCO A1851 or BMC FB643/08

Spark Plugs: NGK Spark Plug Iridium - ILKAR7D6G

Anti Freeze/Coolant: Penrite 8 YEAR Long Life OAT Red

Brake Fluid- Penrite Full Synthetic, Super DOT 4 Plus, Brake Fluid, Amber Colour

Thanks for you're help!
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Mick A on April 21, 2019, 10:50:40 PM
Hi (whatever your name is?),

I can confirm the engine oil, plugs, and coolant are all fine. I haven't used the other products so won't comment on those.  You can use the Penrite product selector on their website to confirm your choice.

Don't forget to replace the cabin pollen filter.

Once you've completed the service, you'll need to reset the parameters relating to oil degradation in the engine ECU, along with the standard service reset. If you don't do this you'll constantly have warnings pop up on the display.
The OBDII multipin plug is behind the panel under the steering column.

All the best.

Mick.
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: lombardi on April 22, 2019, 11:57:18 AM
Good Luck removing the oil filter , apparently not the nicest task , u r a better man than me LOL
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Jgjgee on April 22, 2019, 05:01:37 PM
Hi (whatever your name is?),

I can confirm the engine oil, plugs, and coolant are all fine. I haven't used the other products so won't comment on those.  You can use the Penrite product selector on their website to confirm your choice.

Don't forget to replace the cabin pollen filter.

Once you've completed the service, you'll need to reset the parameters relating to oil degradation in the engine ECU, along with the standard service reset. If you don't do this you'll constantly have warnings pop up on the display.
The OBDII multipin plug is behind the panel under the steering column.

All the best.

Mick.

Thanks Mick! I found it quite confusing when researching the correct oil specs (other than the factory approved Salenia).  Good point regarding the service reset. The correct codes to reset/delete are easily found online. I do intend on buying a scanner a well. Any recommendations on a budget one that is compatible with FIAT/ALFA program? Ive seen a few online that seem to require different colour OBDII plugs (Red/Yellow/green/blue). Ill have to keep researching this.

Cheers
Jono
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Jgjgee on April 22, 2019, 05:16:15 PM
Good Luck removing the oil filter , apparently not the nicest task , u r a better man than me LOL

It certainly doesn't look straightforward. Based on what I've read so far, it appears the front (Drivers side?)wheel needs to come off as well as the inner stone guard. Then it "should be" easy enough to unscrew with a socket. Well, that's the plan anyway....


 Cheers,
Jono
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: bazzbazz on April 22, 2019, 09:15:27 PM
Oh, unscrewing the filter is easy, it's containing the flood of oil that is the tricky part . . .  ;)
 8)
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Mick A on April 23, 2019, 10:46:47 PM
Oh, unscrewing the filter is easy, it's containing the flood of oil that is the tricky part . . .  ;)
 8)

You know I have found if you have the oil draining and then unscrew the filter little by little as it drains the severity isn't as bad!

Mick.
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Craig_m67 on April 23, 2019, 10:47:52 PM
Oh, unscrewing the filter is easy, it's containing the flood of oil that is the tricky part . . .  ;)
 8)

You know I have found if you have the oil draining and then unscrew the filter little by little as it drains the severity isn't as bad!

Mick.

Hej Baz, You can practice on mine if you want  ;D
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Mick A on April 23, 2019, 10:48:38 PM
Hi (whatever your name is?),

I can confirm the engine oil, plugs, and coolant are all fine. I haven't used the other products so won't comment on those.  You can use the Penrite product selector on their website to confirm your choice.

Don't forget to replace the cabin pollen filter.

Once you've completed the service, you'll need to reset the parameters relating to oil degradation in the engine ECU, along with the standard service reset. If you don't do this you'll constantly have warnings pop up on the display.
The OBDII multipin plug is behind the panel under the steering column.

All the best.

Mick.

Thanks Mick! I found it quite confusing when researching the correct oil specs (other than the factory approved Salenia).  Good point regarding the service reset. The correct codes to reset/delete are easily found online. I do intend on buying a scanner a well. Any recommendations on a budget one that is compatible with FIAT/ALFA program? Ive seen a few online that seem to require different colour OBDII plugs (Red/Yellow/green/blue). Ill have to keep researching this.

Cheers
Jono

I recommend and use MultiECUscan.

https://www.multiecuscan.net (https://www.multiecuscan.net)
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: bazzbazz on April 23, 2019, 11:00:56 PM
Oh, unscrewing the filter is easy, it's containing the flood of oil that is the tricky part . . .  ;)
 8)

You know I have found if you have the oil draining and then unscrew the filter little by little as it drains the severity isn't as bad!

Mick.

There is a little trick that allows you to do it without spilling a single drop, not a one. Serious!  8)

Lets see if anyone can work it out.  ;)
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Jgjgee on April 24, 2019, 11:10:04 PM
Hi (whatever your name is?),

I can confirm the engine oil, plugs, and coolant are all fine. I haven't used the other products so won't comment on those.  You can use the Penrite product selector on their website to confirm your choice.

Don't forget to replace the cabin pollen filter.

Once you've completed the service, you'll need to reset the parameters relating to oil degradation in the engine ECU, along with the standard service reset. If you don't do this you'll constantly have warnings pop up on the display.
The OBDII multipin plug is behind the panel under the steering column.

All the best.

Mick.

Thanks Mick! I found it quite confusing when researching the correct oil specs (other than the factory approved Salenia).  Good point regarding the service reset. The correct codes to reset/delete are easily found online. I do intend on buying a scanner a well. Any recommendations on a budget one that is compatible with FIAT/ALFA program? Ive seen a few online that seem to require different colour OBDII plugs (Red/Yellow/green/blue). Ill have to keep researching this.

Cheers
Jono

I recommend and use MultiECUscan.

https://www.multiecuscan.net (https://www.multiecuscan.net)
Thanks Mick!

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Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Mick A on April 25, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
Oh, unscrewing the filter is easy, it's containing the flood of oil that is the tricky part . . .  ;)
 8)

You know I have found if you have the oil draining and then unscrew the filter little by little as it drains the severity isn't as bad!

Mick.



There is a little trick that allows you to do it without spilling a single drop, not a one. Serious!  8)

Lets see if anyone can work it out.  ;)

Share the wisdom!
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Colin Edwards on April 25, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
Use of a sharp implement then move on to draining the sump.
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: bazzbazz on April 25, 2019, 10:34:52 PM
You've never seen the oil filter housing or where it's placed on a 1750TBi engine, have you?  ;)

A sharp implement would definitely make things worse.   :)
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: bazzbazz on April 25, 2019, 10:49:14 PM
It's very low tech actually.

First, slide a piece of hose over the drain tube under the filter housing and the other end into a oil catch tray.

Second, get a manila folder, open it out, cut a strip 1/3 off the longest edge, then fold that strip in half.
Now open it out so it forms a cardboard channel, slide one end all the way under the oil filter housing & run the channel out through the suspension. Now place a oil catch tray under it, unscrew the Oil Filter Cap off slowly and let all the oil flow out and run down the cardboard channel into the catch tray. Most of the oil will flow down the channel but some does come out the drain tube as well. Once all the oil has finished draining you can remove the filter and discard the cardboard channel.

Using this method I do all 1750TBI & 1.9D filter changes without spilling a drop.

K.I.S.S. methodology, its always the best.
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Rob p on April 25, 2019, 11:34:37 PM
I always service mine on my Owen I just go to the alfa dealer and get the correct Salina oil and filter the price you pay for the ryco is virtaly the same price as the genuine filter and same for the oil  and atlrwsdt you know the engineer designed motor on them parts only catch is they only come in 2 ltr tins and you need 5.2ltrs for oil change to be bang on and I use muilti ecu for service rest if you have further questions just p.m me and I can help you set up muiltiecu that is a headache to work out
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Colin Edwards on April 26, 2019, 09:21:17 AM
You've never seen the oil filter housing or where it's placed on a 1750TBi engine, have you?  ;)

A sharp implement would definitely make things worse.   :)

I've replaced the oil filter on the wife's Giulietta QV three times now.  Unless the filter location is different on the early iron block 1750TBi compared to our alloy block 1750TBi
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Domenic on April 26, 2019, 11:18:52 AM
Colin,

the iron block 1750Tbi use a cartridge filter.

the later Alloy block (4c) use a spin on filter
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Colin Edwards on April 26, 2019, 01:17:03 PM
Thanks Domenic.
Reminds me its nearly due for another oil change.  I'll have to drop by and grab a filter and one or two other bits.

Colin
Title: Re: Help- Off the shelf basic service products & recommendations - Giulietta QV
Post by: Jgjgee on April 28, 2019, 08:05:43 PM
Just an update , today I completed the oil change on the Giulietta. The oil filter is in a difficult location but I found the removal of the front driver's side wheel and splash guard was the easiest way to reach it. Before unscrewing I marked the housing as a reference point when refitting.  I used one of those flexible silicon baking trays to shape and catch the oil spewing out from the filter. It did the trick.  I used my trusty low profile ramps on all four wheels (two stepped wooden sleepers stacked on top of each other). This allows good access under the car and keeps it level.  All in all it was about 1.5 hours going very slowly. Also changed the air filter while the bottom tray was off. Next is the oil reset. Waiting on the obd scanner.
Thanks for all the tips guys!