I'm infamously hard on clutches, at least according to a couple of my erstwhile colleagues. Not too fussed about that, but got a simple question re the 147 TS clutch.
Once it starts to slip under load, does the failure continue to be progressive until it's so bad one has to do something, or is it one that rapidly transitions from "a bit slippy under power" to "no drive at all"? I realise it's just Ye Olde Valeo Clutch in the physical sense, but the TS power band is quite different to Pugs and Citroëns so I am not confident it will progress to failure the same way...
That's like asking "how big is a ball of string."
The problem is once a clutch is worn to the point of near failure it can completely fail from simply running out of friction material or the drive plate can split or fracture as it loses structural integrity.
On the family Mazda 323 it still has the factory original clutch from 1998 and it has near 190,000kms on it. Recently it has started to slip, especially when driving up hills and inclines. And if you shift pretty quickly the clutch takes a second to 'grab'.
Been like this for a year or so and has gotten a little worse over time, but I doubt it will stop functioning 'overnight'. I don't see why the 147 clutch should be any different.
If it is starting to slip take it easy for a while until you have the chance to swap it out. I could be wrong but just speaking from my personal experience.
Andrew.
Quote from: V AR 164 on June 10, 2018, 12:43:02 AM
Been like this for a year or so and has gotten a little worse over time, but I doubt it will stop functioning 'overnight'.
Wow! You really like tempting the gods don't you? ::)
;D
For cost reasons I'm hoping to avoid doing it twice - once to fix the clutch and once for the Sele conversion. Just that my realistic timeframe for the full swap is probably 3-4 months to starting... Rapidly ageing family with associated poor health is meaning I put on a lot of miles running around and have less free time for projects I would have once been happy to draw out.
Actually, I'm sure it's the wheel speed sensors.
Huh? ???
+1 with Bazz's Huh!
But back to the clutch, it won't take 3 or 4 months of slipping if your using it fairly regularly. When you say hard on clutches, do you bang it in to gear or let it slip heaps as you engage? Banging in gear may save you some slippage (though not sure about the benefits there), if you ride the clutch and let it slip heaps then you'd have maybe a week of daily driving I reckon. Just my thoughts here.
Oh, swapping from manual to selespeed. Interesting?
I don't clutch dump, it's more over-feathering - especially as a result of driving cars poorly matched to speed humps - you try to use the acceleration pitching as means of avoiding either bottoming out as you cross it, or chin scrape as you depart. Also I taught myself to drive on cars with indifferent brakes, so I tend to use gears/clutch where others might employ the anchor.
Foster Ute has a silly clutch, think one of those sintered "paddle" types you pretty much can't feather. Mate put it in, probably just to confound me. :o
Disclaimer, in advance.
I've got a pretty messy split tooth right now*, it will need emergency work tomorrow. I fully expect thereafter it may hurt like something proverbial. That being the case, it may impact on the sanity or clarity of anything I post for a few days... I'll do my darnedest not to ride it as an excuse, however.
*It's 14, if anyone knows their fangs.
Quote from: Citroënbender on June 12, 2018, 10:53:00 PM
That being the case, it may impact on the sanity or clarity of anything I post for a few days...
And the difference would be . . . . . ?? ::)
;D
Precisely. :) But as I have close to nil tolerance for people being aerosols then blaming it on an external agent, thought it appropriate to speak in advance.
Just a quick note, the clutch is still hanging in there, not really got any worse. :)
(Unlike the dental bill; to finish off allegedly costing another $35K :o :o :o - maybe fake a scooter accident in Bali and hit the crowdfunding pages? ::))
So your social nick name is "Bucket Mouth"? ;)
Are you listed in "The Big Book of British Smiles" (Yes I stole that one from the Simpsons)
;D
I'll be smiling all the way if the clutch lasts to when it's convenient for me to change it over. ;) The 405 gets driven much harder at present, because it's more fun.
It's still going, to paraphrase "Jacko". Although, not really by much. ::)
Was it The Painters and Dockers who sang something like "You're going home on the back of a tilt tray"?
Ah, the dockers - one of my faves back in the day.
"You're goin home in the back of a Divi Van..."
Paul Stewart joined me for a beer one night - when I was sitting (somewhat pickled) underneath a table after a gig at the Old Melbourne Hotel here in Perth.
This was my personal favourite - can't beat punk + horns.
PS - apologies for taking this thread off track. CB, for what its worth, the thrust bearing on my Alfetta GTV has been softly whirring for over a year. I'm putting off replacement til its unavoidable too.
If you wanna change my clutch, you'd better wear a rubber glove...
Measured the friction disc best I could in-situ by holding calipers above it and trying to eyeball an identical gap in the jaws, matching disc breadth.
3.5mm
Or, as Barence might say: :o :o :o
Gettin' there...
There is a more accurate way of doing it, grab a thick wooden cooking skewer or similar and put it through the inspection port against the edge thickness of the friction material. Trim it down till it matches the friction thickness and then measure. Thus you have a fairly accurate and repeatable method of measuring the wear.
Clever tip, thanks. :)
OK, bit the bullet - new clutch kit, accumulator, fork bushes ordered up - will be a fortnight away as there's a special order part (timing belt cover forward side portion) in the mix as well.
Shop4Parts came in a little cheaper than Arese on this order.
Unrelatedly, the water pump I fitted in November 2017 has started weeping. >:( I've run the belt on the lighter side of tension, too - not like I've loaded up the bearings. No temperature anomalies and no other coolant expulsion, so I think it's just a seal failure.
Quote from: Citroënbender on February 20, 2019, 08:47:39 PM
Shop4Parts came in a little cheaper than Arese on this order.
Really? ???
I'm quite surprised, Vlade's prices are usually so good on the parts you mentioned that I find it not worth bothering
to shop overseas unless it's something out of the ordinary. Even then he can usually get just about anything I am after quicker than international shipping, and STILL cheaper.
It wasn't much different, about $25.