http://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-pricing-and-specs/ar-AAmuVJi?li=AAgfYrD&ocid=SL5MDHP
I think $143,000 is double the veloce price of $75k
this is too high on a unknown quantity
it will end up like the c4 just too pricey and they cant sell them
the c4 should be $80- 90k and the giulia v6 $110-120k
just my opinion until the market takes it up the competition at $150on road
is huge porsche, maserati, tesla,bmw m2 and 3,mercedes c63, pretty much anything
2x mustangs etc
silly move, they should put one in the bathurst 12 hr to prove its value
too late no maseratis only 1 ferrari its a german field its the Bathurstz zwelf hor
All that said, didn't they also announce today that they've sold out next years allocations already?
they always say that they will find one thou that fell over or couldnt complete
I think theres one in my name with no deposit
oh and " I have a guy coming in at 2pm to put a deposit on that red one "
I never believe car a salesman
but I hope that is right and they are are all sold would be great for the mark
The Veloce seems pretty good value for money at $72K + ORC.
My 159 V6 was over $80K + ORC back in 2009 - a hell of a lot of money back then. The new Giulia will be a far better car than the 159. Cars just keep on getting better and more affordable!
We really do get screwed on import and luxury car duties... (the QV is only US$80k in the States - or about A$105k)
Quote from: poohbah on February 03, 2017, 07:41:05 PM
We really do get screwed on import and luxury car duties... (the QV is only US$80k in the States - or about A$105k)
Or around AU$96k without the local and state taxes in the USA.
The LCT in AU on the QV is approx $20,000. After you take off duty of 5%(?) and the GST the landed cost of that QV in AU is $105k. Therefore, Alfa Romeo are charging $9k to ship it here.
Well that is my back of a scrap paper calculation.
Well if that video is anything to go by, sometime this year I'm going to put my sunday best on, drop down to the local dealership, and mention I've just come into some money and am looking for a new toy . . . . . just to get a test drive . . . .
Yeah, that's awful, that's terrible . . . . .like I'm going to be the only one to try and get away with it . . . .I think not! 8)
Great vid. I want one.
But at that price, I'm stuck with the quirky alfetta. But that ain't so bad.
Great vid, funny he has the same concerns that I had price ,price ,price and oh unknown quantity
I wonder if it was the same price as Australia ie $104k US
would he still say its worth every penny
ill stay with my old GTV for now, still love a manual
and if I want a change for something more racey I take the air cleaner off
long live the gorgeous sound of a carburettor at full bore
oh the serenity
Hope the other reviewers have nicer things to say:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/519657/2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-track-review/
Overall still a pretty positive review - his inability to give a definitive verdict seems largely because (as he suggests) 6 flying laps weren't enough for him to get properly acquainted and truly push it to the limits.
I'm quite keen to see a local review of the 200kW turbo-petrol 2L Veloce, as that is the one i will have the most realistic chance of being able to purchase (2nd hand!) in the next five years.
Quote from: poohbah on February 08, 2017, 08:34:45 PM
I'm quite keen to see a local review of the 200kW turbo-petrol 2L Veloce, as that is the one i will have the most realistic chance of being able to purchase (2nd hand!) in the next five years.
5 years eh . . . . . . . .get a pay rise did we ? ;)
The first 100 Giulia QVs to be sent to Australia have been all spoken for.
im with Poobah
i want to see the 2.0ltr turbo @200kw more than enough to get into trouble
Quote5 years eh
The veloce is listed at about $71K, so after five years at usual Alfa depreciation it could be $20K or less.
Yep the 2.0ltr with performance pack is the one to get
2 of these instead of the one v6
and its only 1.8 secs slower to 100 ( 5.7 vs3.9)
and does 240kmh
need we say more
Poobah and I are on the 4pot
I have to say the Veloce is actually pretty good value when you consider that $70K is pretty close to the list price of my first 156, a 2001 series 1 6sp manual V6 2.5.
Here is another review vid from car throttle, quite entertaining.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/watch-the-alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-take-on-the-world-almost/
:-*
Ray Gulson had their official Giulia launch on 30 Jan, I walked in the next day to have a look a the car but no cigar, it was only there for 24 hrs, I had a long chat to the sales manager, apparently they're still working on what cars will be allocated to dealers and driveway price for the QV is around $160K, apparently they invited M3 owners from the BMW club to the launch but none turned up😂😂 in the UK the QV price is $97k aud.
That car throttle review is brilliant.
As I said before, I reckon the 2L Giulia Veloce is actually pretty good value against its predecessors:
Veloce:
Price $71,895
Engine 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo-petrol
Outputs 206kW/400Nm
Transmission Eight-speed automatic
Thirst 6.1L/100km
To compare, I went and checked the list price of my current Series1 156 V6 Q-auto which was $60,950. It's a petty good comparison, given it was the 2nd ranked car in the 156 lineup below the kickass high performance GTA ($89,950) which was available here in 2002.
Of course, my V6 only puts out 140kW, has a 4sp sport-shift auto, and does 0-60 in 8.5s, as well as gulping down about 10L/100km! (My original 6sp manual 156 was $1k cheaper when new, and did the sprint in 7.3s, but as you can't get a manual Veloce anyway, no point comparing it with my old manual.)
So here we are 17 years later, and the infinitely improved equivalent model in the Alfa lineup will only cost an extra $10k in nominal terms. But in real terms (adjusted for inflation) that makes the Veloce over $20k cheaper than my 156 in 2017 dollars ($93,260).
Interestingly,the $143k list price of the QV is about $15k more than the inflation adjusted "today's money" price of that 2002 156 GTA ($128K)
I love Alfas
i was going to name my children alfa and romeo
BUT Again how do they justify a ridiculous 160k thats about $60k above the U.S and $70k above the UK
perhaps a second hand ferrari,aston martin,porsche(god forbid) or a new maserati ghibli or a tesla
or even a new m3 or m4 (resale after 5 years?) would be a serious consideration
does Alfa not realise its position in the market (unknown)
its like selling a chinese Chery for $80K ( ok 2 cherries for $80K)
you can see the people lining up now
that being said I believe a Kia Stinger gt is coming out and a lofty $85,000 price tag
funny the day the australian car manufacturing shuts down all the prices go up
That wasnt the government plan thou. it was to go down
I could never justify paying +$100k for any new car, no matter how good it might be.
Especially when there are alternatives - after all you can still buy a 156 GTA for about $15k...
I did the sums elsewhere. In that price there is a delivery fee of $10000 for Alfa to bring it to Aus. Then there is the luxury car tax that is another $20,000 on top. That is why the QV costs so much than the UK. Maybe it could be $10,000 less, but o. The end blame the government and our exchange rate
What we are all suffering from is the global conspiracy by companies !
Yep making you pay not what its worth but they think they can get away with
thats why an apple phone thats $1100 in aus is $200 in India
its priced against the average income of that country
not what its worth!!
THis is what we need to stop just because we live in the lucky country and have decent
governments (your choice between Capt Beige or Shortman)
If i go thru the uk to rent a car for my european getaway I can get a new fiat 500 rentacar from rome for $22aus a day
the same car through an Aus site is $40aus a day this goes for all things
SO thats why the alfa in italy is $80,000 aus driveaway
you cant or wont afford it?
rent it in italy itll pay for you holidays in savings
Quote from: poohbah on February 09, 2017, 04:44:41 PM
Quote5 years eh
The veloce is listed at about $71K, so after five years at usual Alfa depreciation it could be $20K or less.
After five years a good one would indeed sell for around $20K as per the precedent of the 159ti I'd reckon.
The 166 did of course set the standard of course -- worth only 14% of its UK Purchase price after three years.
I think the side show is really good ... an American doing a review of a European car talking about quirkiness performance style and that evil word quality .... imagine finding a handful of American consumer products that have those things ... mmm .... nope 😊😊😊
try and find the handbrake in a 1979 Thunderbird!
isnt it the motor!!! ha ha
Quote from: kartone on February 16, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
try and find the handbrake in a 1979 Thunderbird!
Is that the car where you car swing the steering wheel aside as you hop in?
Nope.
But there is no handbrake release, just put it into drive and it releases automatically; very common in the US during the '70 and '80.
love all this unnecessary electronics
so if you have flat battery you cant release the brake or push it somewhere
because it wont go into gear
towies must love these great ideas
how can the #*&^%#& of this world do hand brake slides
why do we need electronic hand brakes it already has an auto pawl brake
I too old for this
nothing beats my gtv hand brake that doesnt really work on hills and on flats when applied jambs on
where is the italian mystery going
the "Im going to the garage LUV might be back in hour or 5 mins depends on the alfas mood"
Quote from: carlo rossi on February 27, 2017, 02:28:32 PM
so if you have flat battery you cant release the brake or push it somewhere
That's interesting! I asked that question of an Audi salesperson some years ago. They couldn't answer it.
Two things I love about the 159: manual with floorshift and a pull-up handbrake. These days such features are consigned to the cheapest cars.
Very nice Giulia brought to last weeks AROCA Vic meeting by Brighton Alfa. Dark metal grey colour. Panel fit as good as anything from Germany! Car looks a bit smaller in the darker shades.
Looking forward to having a closer look at some tonight thanks to Brighton Alfa.
I had a quick peak at a rosso Veloce at the local Alfa dealer this morning and it certainly looked fantastic.
Better still, seeing it in the flesh, you can see the direct family link to my '99 156 - including very familiar beautiful red leather upholstery set against dark grey interior surfaces.
I believe that's referred to as the "Bordello look".
Least explains why it appeals to you . . . . ;)
:D :D :D I was entrusted by a good friend to take delivery of his Giulia QV last Saturday as he was unable to be in Melbourne until the Sunday (and Monday was a public holiday in Melbourne). We think it is the first one delivered to a customer in Australia?
I took it for a little run en-route to home through Richmond Saturday morning traffic and then a quick squirt along the Monash. So a combo of bumper-bumper traffic and 100kph driving. It is just SO compliant! Very happy to dawdle along and also at speed.
The raspy exhaust in Race Mode sounds gorgeous and in Dynamic Mode its back to Dr Jekyll, all but ready for Mr Hyde to pop out. (I didn't drive it in Race Mode, just blipped the throttle whilst standing still!)
The interior trim fitted beautifully. But lacked some of the tech gadgets that the Germans have. At this level of dollars, its arguable that the car should come fully loaded, but we are talking Italian cars where the driving experience and performance is more prevalent than some comfort or convenience things? My mind is not made up on that point yet.
Now back to looking at the Spec and pricing sheet .....
OK Victor, now you have had a drive could you hurry up and drop the car around to my house. I've ben waiting 2 days now . You know the address
Gully
Quotethat's referred to as the "Bordello look".
Indeed - in fact I actually described the interior of mine as "Milanese Bordello" to my friends when I purchased it :D
So, all you have to so now is retro fit the white interior lights with red "afterglow" lights, grab yourself a set of fishnets and stilettoes and find yourself a suitable street corner in the "red-light" district and you're set! :o
;D ;D ;D ;D
ok sounds fantastic is it worth $160,000?
or would you buy the second hand ferrari or a new ghibli
The Giulia QV is certainly worth $160k. Even more so given you will be able to "negotiate" a better price plus your trade in!
Alfa seem now to be openly acknowledging the engine is "Ferrari based". I have no problem with Alfa not denying considerable input from Ferrari. It may have Alfa badges on it, but the QV may be the most affordable new Ferrari "sedan" ever!
The underneath of the car features very serious aero including well executed turning vanes in the rear diffuser.
The Veloce is still however my choice.
You gotta think that Alfa would be happy to crow about the engine being Ferrari based, it could only dramatically increase sales, not hurt them. ???
Baz
Apparently Lego and Ferrari are the two most respected "brands" on the planet at the moment. Curious and ironic combination!!
I went to the Giulia QV launch at Brighton Alfa just this Wednesday in which I am somewhat impressed.
It's actually quite smaller in person than I would have thought, it has a low roof line and doesn't suffer too much of the 'newer car, bigger car' theme. The front grill is huge and definately makes a statement. I still reckon they could have made it look so much better though.
I can criticise that there is NO rear leg room and hardly nothing in the way of headroom. This also was the case with the very small boot. Plus there not being an option for a manual gearbox is very disappointing, so much for going back to their roots with 'a drivers car'.
Andrew.
Seeing it up close myself yesterday, it looked like almost a cm by cm match for the 156 - I don't have much rear legroom either!
Then again, I've only ever had rear passengers half a dozen times, so if I'm lucky enough to get a Giulia someday, my response would be "not my problem." ;D
and now this:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/03/consumer-reports-2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-basically-lives-dealer-service-bay/
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
It was great reading about this but:
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2017/alfa-romeo-giulia-bmw-330i-audi-a4-mercedes-benz-c300-cadillac-ats-jaguar-xe-lexus-is-200t-volvo-s60-comparison/
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That "truth about cars" 'article' contains more than one inconsistency / contradiction.
The new Giulia is now a very high profile car and methinks more than one tosser will use this for their own benefit!
Quote from: Colin Edwards on March 21, 2017, 09:35:53 AM
That "truth about cars" 'article' contains more than one inconsistency / contradiction.
The new Giulia is now a very high profile car and methinks more than one tosser will use this for their own benefit!
Well said Colin, I can think of at least another two in this very thread...