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Technical => 900 Series (Alfasud, Alfasud Sprint, 33) => Topic started by: shane wescott on June 14, 2006, 11:35:35 PM

Title: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on June 14, 2006, 11:35:35 PM
Hi Guys

Have a "new" (new to me) 33 1.7 carby model I am getting on the road. Clutch is dodgy and won't engage properly. I have dismantled the slave and checked it out but I suspect there is something wrong around the pressure plate/clutch throw mechanism.

This means an engine/gearbox removal.

Any hints?? I have removed other engines from alfas (Berlina), holdens and VW but never a 33.

Any advice for a novice at this task.

Thanks in advance.

Shane
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Fast Eddie on June 15, 2006, 08:52:11 AM
sounds like a question for Teruo to answer as he has the most experience dropping out and in boxer motors.  Suffice to say, you are aware it comes out from below i.e. you lift the car, not the motor?  if all else fails, i have the A33 manual on CD and if i can find it, i can perhaps ge the relevant pages to you.
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 15, 2006, 10:29:51 AM
If you can get your hands on the Haynes manual it has excellent instructions and photos for step by step removing the engine/transmission.

Click here to see the book at Pitstop bookshop (http://www.pitstop.net.au/pitstop/prog/OpenDocument.cgi?id=V0X7S13PUM&PLU=2301)

I think that's a bit steep though - shame there's no copies currently on ebay in Oz as they do come up pretty regularly.

The process vaguely involves dropping the front crossmember (under the radiator) which releases the front engine mount, unbolting the driveshafts, unhooking all the hoses and wiring, undoing the gearbox tail mount, then the engine is hanging from the central mount on top of the bell housing.  If you don't have a crane, you can slowly lower the engine to the ground with a couple of trolley jacks under each head.  You can then jack up the front of the car and slide the engine out.

It's meant to be possible to drop the gearbox out without dropping the whole engine/gearbox unit, but unless you've done it many times apparently it will take you lots longer, more cursing, lost skin etc.

I may have got this a bit wrong as... well... I'm a bit of a nuffie - so I'd recommend getting a manual.  If you are in town and want to drop around to Brunswick you can borrow mine, just PM me.
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Scott Farquharson on June 16, 2006, 02:17:47 PM
This should be mandatory for all 900 series cars - remove engine and gearbox - replace with V6...
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: a sharp on June 16, 2006, 09:37:27 PM
Scott you forgot to tell them to put the V6  in the back and make the thing rear wheel drive, this is the only way to make a real GT from a 900 ::)
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on June 16, 2006, 10:04:32 PM
Thanks for the comments guys. I do have a manual on cd.

Thanks for the comments on just trying to get the gearbix out the motor. I thought about that but figured it will involve lots of loss of skin.

I figure it's a good time to clean the engine and engine bay properly.

The book looks good but the 1.7 model I have is not covered, most of it is the same anyway.

Love the idea of the 33 with the V6, the videos are awesome.

Catch ya and I will let you know how it all goes, and BTW I live in Coburg so not far from Brunswick.

Shane
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Scott Farquharson on June 16, 2006, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: a sharp on June 16, 2006, 09:37:27 PM
Scott you forgot to tell them to put the V6  in the back and make the thing rear wheel drive, this is the only way to make a real GT from a 900 ::)

Exactly!  Hey - wait a minute - just buy a GTV6 instead.....
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 16, 2006, 11:31:31 PM
Scott, Anthony - firstly it's 11pm on a Friday night - don't you have something better to do?

Secondly - go a little easy on the 900 series payout.  Shane has a genuine question in there somewhere.

Good luck - do let us know how you get on.  Not sure if you mean that you have the haynes manual or not.  If not - give me a call 0400 013 175 if you do want to drop around and borrow mine.
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on June 17, 2006, 05:07:21 PM
End of day 1. Nearly finished.

Only the front mount, sub chassis, and rear mount to go :-)


Roll on tomorrow.
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on June 18, 2006, 04:04:33 PM
Job Done.

Engine and gearbox out, clutch is dead, many broken pressure plate fingers. At least when I did get it out, I found my problem.

Very happy :-)

Catch ya

Shane
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Evan Bottcher on June 18, 2006, 04:21:20 PM
You got a digi camera Shane?  If so post a couple of photos of the process?

cheers,
Evan.
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on June 18, 2006, 08:49:06 PM
pickies now in the pickies section.
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Southern75 on June 21, 2006, 08:48:49 AM
Well i'm going to add my 2 cents worth,

V6's are certainly nice ... but i have 2 babies (sorry its a 75 not gtv6) and i can't neglect the little one even though it rusts, leaks rarely runs as well as many other displays of tempremental behaviour!

What i do to take the engine out is sit the car on stands under a block and tackle, disconnect everything, ie plumbing electrical exhaust etc.

Take the weight of the engine with a big trolley jack, then take out drive shafts and control arms then engine should be able to be lowered to the ground,

The block and tackle can be used to raise the car body over the engine, sometimes not necessary, depending on how much of the engine intake you pull off. However the block and tackle can also be used to loed the engine instead of a trolley jack
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on June 21, 2006, 05:22:35 PM
Sounds like a good plan. I ended up having to drag the engine out. I didnt quite have the car up high enough. I am sure the block and tackle would make it easier to put the engine back in. I am looking to get an engine hoist so may use one of theose when I put the engine/gearbox back in, probably in a month or so.

catch ya

Shane
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Southern75 on June 22, 2006, 08:05:14 PM
they're also good a worthy investment, if you take the radiator out and the crank pulley off you can take the engine out the top ... but it's harder than out of the bottom
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on September 16, 2006, 04:42:57 PM
new clutch in (eventually must buy a pilot shaft to make it easier)

engine and gearbox finally back in the car, steam cleaner dod a good job on the engine and the biggest pain in the but today ..........

A stuck tie rod end, not stuck in the arm, rusty threads inside the rod.  always, always always lubricate those suckers before installing them. this one looked original and took me a full 45 minutes to unscrew (no gym workout needed for a week)

Tomorrows job is to do most of the connection work, and hopefully in a couple of weeks my new baby will be on the road.
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on October 01, 2006, 08:29:58 PM
Engine and gearbox back in.  :)

Unfortufortunatly didnt check the alignment of the main top engine mount, so the engine is skewed to the left. Only noticed when I started the engine and the exhaust pipe was knocking. :(

Next job is to jack the engine, loosen front mounting bolts, rearrange the washer etc to centre the engine in the top mount and job should be a gooden.

Best tip for starting an engine which has been dry of petrol for a couple of months - a can of START YA BASTARD  :) Great product from Nulon. Only in Aus could you make a product with such a name, but it works like a charm. A couple of squirts, a couple of false starts and then she revved into life.

Catch ya

Shane
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Evan Bottcher on October 01, 2006, 09:44:40 PM
(http://www.nulon.com.au/images/large/syb350.jpg)

Bwahaha - never heard of it before.  ;D
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on October 02, 2006, 06:47:20 PM
I took a can (empty) to the UK for my Boss. The Poms couldn't believe a product could be sold like that.

It is excellent stuff Mate, engines, mowers, whipper snippers. If they dont start with Start Ya Bastard, they ain't gunna start.

Catch ya

Shane
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: shane wescott on October 09, 2006, 07:11:23 PM
finally found some time to work on the crooked engine mount. droped the engine down pulled the mount out and centred it.

Engine now runs with no loud exhaust knocky sounds :-)

Next job is to finish wiring connections and some piping then roadworthy.

Catch ya

Shane
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: Scott Farquharson on October 27, 2006, 05:19:05 PM
You know I love the 900 series....
Title: Re: Alfa 33 Engine/Gearbox removal
Post by: rain902 on October 28, 2006, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: Scott Farquharson on October 27, 2006, 05:19:05 PM
You know I love the 900 series....

love it so much that i hear that you are going to build a full on sud Scott  ;D ;D ;D