Hi all,
wondering if any locals have some nice images of their Gt?
My first car was a 7 year old 76 Gt and enjoyed it for 14 years.
Bought one recently that needs attention and was keen to chat with members sympathetic to the model who could share some new found knowledge whatever the level of their car.
Here is one.
Hi Neil,
Good to see the machine in action.
Looks great.
Here's a photo of mine when I grabbed it two years ago. Work in progress, I have started some rust work for a respray, and buying the bits to get it on the road.
Hey Neil, yours is nice
Hi GR,
thanks for the image.
What extent did you go to with resto?
Do you need any bits and pieces at reasonable(affordable) rate?
have you got a centre console for the radio, original? Mine's been cut
Mine looks similar to yours.
I am going to have one made up then reskinned .
I just want to see some clear images or examples of a local car that's original.
Images I've seen both locally & abroad have variations of interiors/ accessories,trim etc all the time.
I don't plan on having any radio etc in the car. Which would also mean sealing up the arial hole on the roof in front of the front screen.
Although not a GT but a GTV , here's a couple of my car . One, showing at Spettacolo a few years ago and one going at Sandown last year.
Gully
Hi Paul,
great shots of a great looking classic!
Looking forward to having a closer look at club events maybe.
And another!!!!
Sorry for lazy post but not near my photos. This is my '76 gt.
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/engine-conversions/173304-alfa-supercharged-turbocharged-phase-2-refining-platform.html
http://www.groupsracing.org.au/images/Pucak_Alfa.JPG
http://youtu.be/EId0G1rRTJE
http://youtu.be/lCEX8yLCGKw
Quote from: GR-124 on September 15, 2014, 10:13:30 PM
Here's a photo of mine when I grabbed it two years ago. Work in progress, I have started some rust work for a respray, and buying the bits to get it on the road.
Hey Neil, yours is nice
Hi GR-124. A Giallo Piper Alfetta GT - a rare find. I have a feeling I roadtested this car around the time I was looking for mine - probably 1998-99. From recollection, the car in question lived on the South Coast but the owner bought it up to Sydney (I think his sister lived in Hornsby) and he had it for sale at Berowra. I took it for a test drive down the Old Pacific Highway - it drove well. I think from memory he was asking about $7K, which was a lot back then, and too much considering I was going to turn my car into a race car (will post a pic in separate post.)
Whatever you do, don't change the colour. There wouldn't be too many left in that hue.
Here is a picture of my 1975 Alfetta Gt Group S race car which I have owned since 1998. The picture was taken at Wakefield Park in 2002 and it seems to have been used as a stock photo around the globe.. ::)
The latest GT in the collection....bit far gone, but has all the spares I was looking for which is rather handy....like a set of GT door cards with no speaker holes! Could not believe it when I saw it. Sing out if people need certain GT bits, happy to help where I can. Wont want money other than postage....so long as it goes to a GT.
Long may they live :-)
cheers
Mike
Here's one for the GT owners out there. Today I looked at my Silver GT and Blue GT and noted a couple of interesting things:
Blue 6/76 116 GT - 25xx build number (sorry don't recal last two digits buy you will get the idea)
Alfa Romeo Australia
Silver GT 5/76 - 32xx build number
Alfa Romeo Milan
According to the Department of infrastructure, The second issue of ADR's came into play in 1/Jan/1969, but were not governed by Aus law, but rather selectively adopted by each state and territory. Prior to this, they were issued as a discussion paper and neither adopted at State nor national level.
They were subsequently made part of the national standards by Determination No 2 of 1989 published by the Commonwealth Government Gazette (Special Gazette series) No S 291 dated 1 September 1989.
OK, soooo...why are is my earlier (by one month) GT a later number build, and a Milano plate rather than a Australia plate? Surely build date and build number should be in order?!
So another tid bit that I was not actually aware of is, the blue GT has a very light bonnet. The silver GT (one month earlier) has a very heavy bonnet. I am going to measure gauge tomorrow, but the wieght is significantly different and I suspect that GT's has lower gauge bonnet panels. I knew they did not have intrusion bars in the doors, but I was not aware of the bonnets being lighter......that bonnet is going striaght on the race car!!
Here's mine at the ICU, progress is slow but soon to change. This is one of the very few that came out to Oz with the SPICA injection from the American market.
Another Afetta GTAm. Factory 2.0 with Spica and large capacity GTV6 like fuel tank.
Ex Canberra (I worked on this years ago). I tried to track it down a couple of times, but now it has resurfaced I have my hands and shed space full.
This deserves a good home and restoration!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1976-Alfa-Romeo-Alfetta-GTAM-Bathurst-Homologation-car-RARE-/121459655627?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item1c478f43cb (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1976-Alfa-Romeo-Alfetta-GTAM-Bathurst-Homologation-car-RARE-/121459655627?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item1c478f43cb)
Quote from: LukeC on October 20, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
Another Afetta GTAm. Factory 2.0 with Spica and large capacity GTV6 like fuel tank.
"Bathurst Homogenisation" snicker. Bathurst has definitely been homogenised since 1976.
Agreed it should be saved though.
Quote from: Mike on October 18, 2014, 10:33:49 PM
Here's one for the GT owners out there. Today I looked at my Silver GT and Blue GT and noted a couple of interesting things:
Blue 6/76 116 GT - 25xx build number (sorry don't recal last two digits buy you will get the idea)
Alfa Romeo Australia
Silver GT 5/76 - 32xx build number
Alfa Romeo Milan
According to the Department of infrastructure, The second issue of ADR's came into play in 1/Jan/1969, but were not governed by Aus law, but rather selectively adopted by each state and territory. Prior to this, they were issued as a discussion paper and neither adopted at State nor national level.
They were subsequently made part of the national standards by Determination No 2 of 1989 published by the Commonwealth Government Gazette (Special Gazette series) No S 291 dated 1 September 1989.
OK, soooo...why are is my earlier (by one month) GT a later number build, and a Milano plate rather than a Australia plate? Surely build date and build number should be in order?!
So another tid bit that I was not actually aware of is, the blue GT has a very light bonnet. The silver GT (one month earlier) has a very heavy bonnet. I am going to measure gauge tomorrow, but the wieght is significantly different and I suspect that GT's has lower gauge bonnet panels. I knew they did not have intrusion bars in the doors, but I was not aware of the bonnets being lighter......that bonnet is going striaght on the race car!!
The chassis numbers on the later GTs are all over the place. Anything before chassis 2000 should be a 75 GT 1800 with Webers, 10548 cams and 122 hp "S" prefixed engine and the 76 GT 1.8 (to differentiate it from the 1.6) has Dell'ortos, 10520 cams and "X" prefixed engine. But there are low chassis number for the GTAMs which are all 6/76 compliance, so go figure.... ::)
I suspect that your silver GT maybe an English or South African delivery if it doesn't have the Australian compliance plate - check the chassis number with Alfa Romeo's Archivio Storico to see where your car was delivered.
Looking at the photo of your silver GT I can see that it has
two washer nozzles whereas mine (a 75 GT) only has
one. I'm not sure when they changed over to two washer nozzles (76 GTs or 77 GTVs) but it is a known fact that the GTs are about 30kg lighter than the later GTV and I suspect that they made some body improvements(?) to the GTV that added weight.... :)
Quote from: Paul Newby on October 17, 2014, 01:52:30 PM
Quote from: GR-124 on September 15, 2014, 10:13:30 PM
Here's a photo of mine when I grabbed it two years ago. Work in progress, I have started some rust work for a respray, and buying the bits to get it on the road.
Hey Neil, yours is nice
Hi GR-124. A Giallo Piper Alfetta GT - a rare find. I have a feeling I roadtested this car around the time I was looking for mine - probably 1998-99. From recollection, the car in question lived on the South Coast but the owner bought it up to Sydney (I think his sister lived in Hornsby) and he had it for sale at Berowra. I took it for a test drive down the Old Pacific Highway - it drove well. I think from memory he was asking about $7K, which was a lot back then, and too much considering I was going to turn my car into a race car (will post a pic in separate post.)
Whatever you do, don't change the colour. There wouldn't be too many left in that hue.
Hi Paul, I picked it up in Wollongong. After some sleepless nights I have decided to restore and keep original. My wife hates the colour but likes the car (better than my Fiat 124). I will keep the colour, I like it. The guy that had it was looking at racing it and cut out the battery tray, so it could be boot mounted, that's about the only mod on it. Looking forward to getting a good start on it. Other things in life getting in the way ATM. But it will happen. :)
Good advice, I have sent off to Alfa Romeo's Archivio Storico for clarification. Will be interesting. My turbodelta also has a Aus ADR plate, I know that to have been sold in Aus.
I had a white 75 GT which had the single windscreen nozzle. This was also the case with the early 1.8 sedans of the same vintage.
I am aware of the GT's weight loss, most notably being the exclusion of side intrusion bars, which did not come in till later.
"According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 116.11.0003205 and the engine number AR 01608.X26031 originally correspond to an Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT 1800 RHD, manufactured on the 30th April 1976 and sold on the same day to Alfa Romeo Australia.
The body colour is metallic light grey, with black tex interiors. "
So I still have the original 1.8Liter engine which is nice. It also was Aus delivered, but still with Alfa Romeo Australia plate.
Interesting.
Also,one of the later GT's built isn't it mike? Didn't the GTV come along mid-1976?
I think you might be right on that, would explain why my GT got the GTV steel bumper lower front panel. I have seen 77 GTV's but not a 76 personally.
Quote from: Mike on October 23, 2014, 03:16:55 AM
I think you might be right on that, would explain why my GT got the GTV steel bumper lower front panel. I have seen 77 GTV's but not a 76 personally.
Maybe that's a replacement panel? Its such a fragile piece of metal isn't it, and those slots make it even weaker. There were certainly 76 GTV's sold in the UK along with 1.6 GT's. I
Mind you most of them had rusted away by the early eighties....
Quote from: Mike on October 23, 2014, 03:16:55 AM
I think you might be right on that, would explain why my GT got the GTV steel bumper lower front panel. I have seen 77 GTV's but not a 76 personally.
All GTs should have the solid front panel, I don't believe that the ventilated panel was a running change on GTs.
You will notice that all Australian delivered GTs have Compliance Plates no later than 6/76. That is because the ADR27A emisions regulations kicked in on 1 July 76, which required major changes to carburettor set-up.
I suspect that Alfa Romeo Australia let the GTs run out until the end of 1976 before introducing the Alfetta GTV 2000 in early 1977. You won't find any Aussie delivered 76 GTVs here.
All GTs should have the solid front panel, I don't believe that the ventilated panel was a running change on GTs.
You will notice that all Australian delivered GTs have Compliance Plates no later than 6/76.
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Paul,
mine's a 6/76 GT, with 01608 engine number, so I guess its an 1779cc. BUT it has the slots in the body steel between the bumper and the plastic grill. From the look i had around today I can not see any evidence of a prang therefore i don't think it's a replacement panel?? so could it be original?
Quote from: GR-124 on October 23, 2014, 06:05:17 PM
All GTs should have the solid front panel, I don't believe that the ventilated panel was a running change on GTs.
You will notice that all Australian delivered GTs have Compliance Plates no later than 6/76.
Paul,
mine's a 6/76 GT, with 01608 engine number, so I guess its an 1779cc. BUT it has the slots in the body steel between the bumper and the plastic grill. From the look i had around today I can not see any evidence of a prang therefore i don't think it's a replacement panel?? so could it be original?
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Wow, that's the 1st gt I've seen with a gtv type front panel, does the rest of the car match a gt? , interior, c pillar grill?
Hey Brook308, yeah it's got the Australian compliance plate with Alfetta GT on it. It has the C pillar grill and heres a pic of the interior. Either it has a GTV grill panel grafted on later in life or its a unique car. I would like to get to the bottom of it.
Quote from: GR-124 on October 23, 2014, 09:12:26 PM
Hey Brook308, yeah it's got the Australian compliance plate with Alfetta GT on it. It has the C pillar grill and heres a pic of the interior. Either it has a GTV grill panel grafted on later in life or its a unique car. I would like to get to the bottom of it.
It was very common for panel beaters to fit a GTV front panel to a GT when doing even simple repairs in the day. They are a straight swap, and easy to fit as all the joints are internal lips that can be accessed directly. Plus the GT panels dried up very quickly even though the GT's were sold in the U.S. for another year or two after Australian sales stopped, and those panels are a real pain to get straight if bent.
So I'd say it's almost certain if you have that later panel on a GT then it's not original.
This GT is 1976 and was converted to a bitumen rally Alfa some years ago and in 1994 was converted for circuit sprinting by Eurosport Automotive in SA. Have owned this GT coming up 15 years now and we have burned some rubber around many race circuits, Phillip Island, Winton, Calder, Oran Park, Wakefield Park and of course Mallala. 2008 'The Italian Flag on Wheels" had a full respray inside and out.
It is still barking like an angry dog and performing exceptionally well, even with its driver now in his senior years.
Quote from: LukeC on October 20, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
Another Afetta GTAm. Factory 2.0 with Spica and large capacity GTV6 like fuel tank.
Ex Canberra (I worked on this years ago). I tried to track it down a couple of times, but now it has resurfaced I have my hands and shed space full.
This deserves a good home and restoration!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1976-Alfa-Romeo-Alfetta-GTAM-Bathurst-Homologation-car-RARE-/121459655627?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item1c478f43cb (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1976-Alfa-Romeo-Alfetta-GTAM-Bathurst-Homologation-car-RARE-/121459655627?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item1c478f43cb)
Hey Luke, I went out of curiosity to inspect this eBay sale. Yeah I dare say it's the one you recall. Still had a metalic 'Canberra speed shop' sticker on the bumper. As far as grabbing a piece of history, well history is the key word for this Alfetta. I strongly suggest any bidders to proceed with caution. Don't wish the seller any bad fortune, but I think my Alfetta just became rarer by one :'(
Quote from: aggie57 on October 24, 2014, 06:00:33 AM
Quote from: GR-124 on October 23, 2014, 09:12:26 PM
Hey Brook308, yeah it's got the Australian compliance plate with Alfetta GT on it. It has the C pillar grill and heres a pic of the interior. Either it has a GTV grill panel grafted on later in life or its a unique car. I would like to get to the bottom of it.
It was very common for panel beaters to fit a GTV front panel to a GT when doing even simple repairs in the day. They are a straight swap, and easy to fit as all the joints are internal lips that can be accessed directly. Plus the GT panels dried up very quickly even though the GT's were sold in the U.S. for another year or two after Australian sales stopped, and those panels are a real pain to get straight if bent.
So I'd say it's almost certain if you have that later panel on a GT then it's not original.
I've seen a number of GTs with the later GTV front panel, for the reasons that Alister has explained above.
I was very lucky that when I crashed my GT and required a new front clip, plus quarter panels and bonnet, I was able to wreck a complete but rusty GT and transfer all the correct bits to my GT so that it still looks like a GT. Not sure that I could live with myself if I had to put on a GTV front... ;D
Interestingly Bill Magoffin's Group C Alfetta GTAM raced with the correct GT front in 76 and when it was relogged as a GTV in 1977 retained the GT front panel albeit with a GTV grille right up until at least 1980. When Nigel Houghton-Allen owned it in its Group 4 guise it had a GTV front clip with a GT grille! Bill bought it in that configuration and sacrificed a very rusty GT shell to brng it back to its original
narrow body, complete with GT front clip...! :D
Its back............. !
Someone please put this poor car out of it misery!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Alfa-Romeo-alfetta-gtv-gta-m-/121549302436?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item1c4ce72aa4 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Alfa-Romeo-alfetta-gtv-gta-m-/121549302436?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item1c4ce72aa4)