Well I will start it off.
The stars of the event (from the perspective of Alfisti's), Joe Nastasi's Periscopia T33/2 and Fernet Tonic T33 SC 12.
The Fernet Tonic T33
Both absolutely amazing.
For those of you that couldn't make it all i can say is bad luck . However it looked & souded like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAOLWjeGtok
i just had a look at his facebook page and apparently Joe is also running at the GP next week
Some video on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151326556685843
thank you!
I just happened to go past my local Alfa workshop on my way home from work (like most nights) and what did I see?
The Tipo 33 SC12 had a bit of minor panel damage after it's foray on Sunday at the island. A few basic repairs were required to get it back on the track for the sports car race this weekend at the Grand Prix, and our club sponsors are always eager to help out.
This may be the only Alfa-Mitsubishi Prototipo sports ute in existence. Hopefully the added downforce will rid the ute of the awful wheelspin in top gear?
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on March 12, 2013, 07:18:38 PM
This may be the only Alfa-Mitsubishi Prototipo sports ute in existence.
Is this the start of the new Alfa-Chrysler Motorsport partnership given the dealership is in full swing.
I put together a little footage that I took on the weekend. If you watch closely, you'll see Alfas in the Group A/C, Group Sa/b, Group Sc, and the sports car race. The little Canon s95 does a pretty decent job of sound capture so you get a sense of what it's like to be there - the aural experience is unbelievable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-KLvqW1tLA
A brief highlight of Gp S race 2.
Quote from: Neil Choi on March 13, 2013, 11:37:36 PM
A brief highlight of Gp S race 2.
Or perhaps (?) Alfetta turns in on Mustang.....either way, two bent cars
Mustang darted to the right (outside) initially then decided to go left (inside) with little room to undertake. Mustang could have waited a second out of the corner to go as it knows it has power over the poor little 2L.
Mustang driver was found at fault and fined.
Neil,
Nothing like eyes in the back of your head. Was that Danny Gatto's car ???
Quote from: Neil Choi on March 14, 2013, 08:35:33 AM
Mustang darted to the right (outside) initially then decided to go left (inside) with little room to undertake. Mustang could have waited a second out of the corner to go as it knows it has power over the poor little 2L.
Mustang driver was found at fault and fined.
There was also the white alfetta on the outside turning in, the red/black alfetta had no where to go really.
My race 1 clip.
1) the urge to pass the 3L Porsche and 3.5L Morgan and cold tyres got the better of me at Lukey
2) Neil got punted
3) How aggressive are some of the drivings?
Quote from: hmd on March 14, 2013, 10:01:51 AM
2) Neil got punted
TWICE by mates. Who needs enemies........
Quote from: hmd on March 14, 2013, 10:01:51 AM
3) How aggressive are some of the drivings?
First up, I haven't yet watched hmd's in-car, this is not commentary on any incident or anyone in that footage, more comment on hmd's point on aggressive driving and my observations over the recent past from a competitors point of view.....
From the GSRA Drivers' Code of Conduct......
QuoteGroup S racing is an amateur sport to be enjoyed by all who participate. Although the competitive aspect of driving historic production sports cars is part and parcel of the sport, over driving or over aggressive driving is not.
There is nothing wrong with a bit of aggressive driving, and there is a place for that,
in contemporary motorsport category's. Some drivers don't quite get that they are in an Historic racing category, if they want to play for sheep stations they should perhaps consider moving across to something where this attitude and/or behavior is 'tolerated'.
Jumping the gun on hmd, for your entertainment. Lucky stars.
Quote from: hmd on March 14, 2013, 09:58:41 AM
Quote from: Neil Choi on March 14, 2013, 08:35:33 AM
Mustang darted to the right (outside) initially then decided to go left (inside) with little room to undertake. Mustang could have waited a second out of the corner to go as it knows it has power over the poor little 2L.
Mustang driver was found at fault and fined.
There was also the white alfetta on the outside turning in, the red/black alfetta had no where to go really.
Far be it for me to second guess the stewards but to me it looked like the Mustang had clear road as per this still from the video, right up until the Alfetta turned left.
All that mustang had to do was wait 5 sec and he would have blown the alfetta away . You also need to anticipate other drivers actions, like where did he think the alfetta was going and this was 2 experienced drivers.
Quote from: aggie57 on March 14, 2013, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: hmd on March 14, 2013, 09:58:41 AM
Quote from: Neil Choi on March 14, 2013, 08:35:33 AM
Mustang darted to the right (outside) initially then decided to go left (inside) with little room to undertake. Mustang could have waited a second out of the corner to go as it knows it has power over the poor little 2L.
Mustang driver was found at fault and fined.
There was also the white alfetta on the outside turning in, the red/black alfetta had no where to go really.
Far be it for me to second guess the stewards but to me it looked like the Mustang had clear road as per this still from the video, right up until the Alfetta turned left.
That still doesn't show you where the Alfetta was and this clip wasn't used by the stewards, I believed they have other visions to go with.
From what I heard the vision from the red Alfa was showing he had to turn in as the white Alfa was shaping to turn in as well. The mustang saw a small hole that he thought he could quickly took, it was his responsibility to make sure he did a safe passing move. It easy to be critical but it's a millisecond judgement thing.
The Alfetta clearly wasn't in front of the Mustang! All I have been saying is that the clip as posted to youtube is titled "mustang shunts alfetta at phillip island" which is one point of view.
Either way, as you say these are split second decisions and unfortunately in this case the result wasn't good.
How was it hit behind the b pillar then? When they came together the alfetta turned in front of the stang so it had to be in front of it.
Quote from: alfa duk on March 14, 2013, 06:07:18 PM
How was it hit behind the b pillar then? When they came together the alfetta turned in front of the stang so it had to be in front of it.
"When they came together the Alfetta turned in front of the stang". Thanks!!
Quote from: hmd on March 14, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
saw a small hole that he thought he could quickly took, it was his responsibility to make sure he did a safe passing move. It easy to be critical but it's a millisecond judgement thing.
Hey I know about this type of situation as well.
Ok, back on topic, any more pics and vision, Evan I know you got a ripper to show.
Here you go, another close call, unusual mistake by the GT.
Quote from: Neil Choi on March 14, 2013, 06:22:32 PM
Ok, back on topic, any more pics and vision, Evan I know you got a ripper to show.
Um no - unless you're talking about the photos of the rebodied Alfa sports car I posted earlier in this thread (http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=10394.msg64151#msg64151)...
Witnessed the Mustang - Alfetta "interface" spectating from the outside of the track. Watching it on Neil's footage makes more sense of it, as it did appear at the time that the Mustang drove straight in to the Alfa, which was taking the normal racing line. The footage shows the Alfa getting up the inside down into MG off Lukey. It appeared to get a better run out, and the "bobble" of the white Alfetta probably had the red Alfetta driver's attention, rather than the Mustang driver taking an optimistic and somewhat unrealistic dive back up the inside into a far faster corner. I did see Skaife in the flame-throwing Group A Skyline, carving through the field from a rear of Grid start on Sunday arvo, make a breathtaking inside passing manoeuvre at the same place on an M3. I swear he had two wheels on the ripple strip all the way around. Wasn't a cigarette papers' width in it. Fantastic to watch. (I believe he missed the win by 0.1 seconds)
I do have this one - I went to visit my good friend Neil, but he'd succumbed to the heat. Zzzzzz.
Quote from: Craig Sinclair on March 14, 2013, 08:11:13 PM
I did see Skaife in the flame-throwing Group A Skyline, carving through the field from a rear of Grid start on Sunday arvo, make a breathtaking inside passing manoeuvre at the same place on an M3. I swear he had two wheels on the ripple strip all the way around. Wasn't a cigarette papers' width in it. Fantastic to watch. (I believe he missed the win by 0.1 seconds)
I saw that one, I was sure they would come together. Brilliant driving from both of them. Whoever that Skaife guy is, I'd say he has a very bright future in motorsport ahead of him.
Quote from: Sheldon McIntosh on March 14, 2013, 10:20:15 PM
I saw that one, I was sure they would come together. Brilliant driving from both of them. Whoever that Skaife guy is, I'd say he has a very bright future in motorsport ahead of him.
Maybe, but not as an advanced driving instructor
http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/celebrities-lose-their-grip-20130314-2g2t4.html (http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/celebrities-lose-their-grip-20130314-2g2t4.html)
No Alfas harmed here - but yikes....
http://youtu.be/Has0BK9cOa8?t=15m43s
Neil,
You must have some footage of one of the times I passed you??
NO! Camera broke.
???You passed me? No........!!! Couldn't have.
It's so seldom I pass anybody I usually remember!
You are getting old, your memory is mixed up.
Didn't Dominique pass you?
Here is the in car of the mustang incident that gives a true indication of what happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb0dfPJ80Dg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb0dfPJ80Dg)
It really makes me angry to watch a stupid move like that on the first lap. 10 more seconds and he could have passed safely on the straight.
It was the first lap for fucks sake. If it were the last lap it would be slightly less deplorable, but still stupid.
A very poor display of race-craft and judgement, I hope the repairs to that Mustang are extremely costly.
That's a great piece of footage. Clearly they had been close to each other since the start. I really like the way the Mustang gave the Alfetta room in turn one and how the slower Alfetta passed the faster Mustang around the outside at Lukey's...... very gentlemen racing ;D
Its racing guys. Always have a good panel shop as a sponsor.....
It is racing but getting hit by over aggressiveness and carelessness to cause significant damage or any damage at all is not nice. It is not V8 Supercar Clash'em derby.
I personally don't have a money tree to pay for panel damage, given I also sustained multiple damages. I would jump 3 widths sideways or give a spot or two to avoid collision, hence why I am a slow driver!!!
I hope next time I make a stupid mistake you guys aren't watching...
BOG racing is the best.
Thanks for the responses gents, i persevered with the issue because some stated that it was a reasonable manoeuvre and i wanted to prove that it wasn't. Its not about who was wrong or right but more about what is acceptable. This is not the norm for 99% of the time for the style of racing we are involved in.It is for that reason that it gets noticed. For those that want to get involved in the sport, this is a worst case senario, dont be scared off from this stupid incident.
Quote from: alfa duk on March 20, 2013, 07:06:37 PM
Thanks for the responses gents, i persevered with the issue because some stated that it was a reasonable manoeuvre and i wanted to prove that it wasn't. Its not about who was wrong or right but more about what is acceptable. This is not the norm for 99% of the time for the style of racing we are involved in.It is for that reason that it gets noticed. For those that want to get involved in the sport, this is a worst case senario, dont be scared off from this stupid incident.
Huh? Proven what? With all due respect all that's proven is that when people start racing accidents happen.
Duk, sorry to see that, how bad was the damage?
I was surprised at how little damage was sustained compared to the hit/s, I mean its still not good between the B pillar and rear wheel from the initial impact with the front wheel taking the bigger second hit. He was able to drive back to the pits.
QuoteHuh? Proven what? With all due respect all that's proven is that when people start racing accidents happen
I think what was proven , from the stewards perspective at least was that the Mustang, car 83 was in the wrong a penalty was applied as he was excluded from all results for the weekend ( source Natsoft)
Quote from: Paul Gulliver on March 21, 2013, 07:51:12 PM
QuoteHuh? Proven what? With all due respect all that's proven is that when people start racing accidents happen
I think what was proven , from the stewards perspective at least was that the Mustang, car 83 was in the wrong a penalty was applied as he was excluded from all results for the weekend ( source Natsoft)
And nobody is disputing that either Paul. I'm sure they had reasons to come to that conclusion.
Great race coverage Hung. Shame about the close call in the early stages of the race but you certainly made up some ground with some very good driving. Have been meaning to post this slightly art photo of some AROCA masterminds drooling over the Tipo 33.
Phillip Island continues to get bigger and better every year!
Some shoots of Alfas in action. Enjoy.
http://seabreezephotography.com.au/gallery/index.php?do=photocart&viewGallery=10191#page=1 (http://seabreezephotography.com.au/gallery/index.php?do=photocart&viewGallery=10191#page=1)
Courtesy of Seabreeze Photography and Paul and Michelle Satchell
Heaps of pics on the VHRR site.
http://www.vhrr.com/photos_index.htm (http://www.vhrr.com/photos_index.htm)
Pics of the two T33's.
Quote from: Paul Gulliver on March 21, 2013, 07:51:12 PM
QuoteHuh? Proven what? With all due respect all that's proven is that when people start racing accidents happen
I think what was proven , from the stewards perspective at least was that the Mustang, car 83 was in the wrong a penalty was applied as he was excluded from all results for the weekend ( source Natsoft)
GOOD!
A massive set of pics, supplied by club member Peter Ellenbogen.
Good coverage of all categories and inlcudes a good number of Alfa's going around.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterellenbogen/sets/72157633118051183/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterellenbogen/sets/72157633118051183/)
I like this one, that's before the alternator packed it in.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterellenbogen/8602370290/in/set-72157633118051183 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterellenbogen/8602370290/in/set-72157633118051183)
Battle wounds.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterellenbogen/8601266463/in/set-72157633118051183 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterellenbogen/8601266463/in/set-72157633118051183)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterellenbogen/8602374138/in/set-72157633118051183 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterellenbogen/8602374138/in/set-72157633118051183)
Anyone has contacts for Peter Ellenbogen?
He's not responding to rac270@gmail.com
He is out of contact until 23 April.