In a seemingly never ending grab for money, F1 has moved to Foxtel. We will still get 10 races preyer on FTA, but the other 10 you'll have to pay for. One wonders how long that will last?
To me, this is another nail in the coffin that was the premier category of motorsport. Goodbye F1, it was great while it lasted, but I won't be watching it now. How does a sport expect to grow it's fan base when you have to pay $750 a year just to watch it on TV? I pay less to be an AFL member and get to attend at least 20 games a year.
I don't want the remainder of the rubbish that is telecast on Foxtel, so I would be paying the whole amount to watch the ten GP that aren't on FTA.
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Stuart
Yeah Stuart, i hear you mate, Since Formula 1 went to pay television, the ratings have gone down in the United Kingdom.
The 10 'free to air' broadcasts will not be the ones that you want to see anyway, [the least popular ones].
The ones that you want to see will be on Fuxtell, but repeated on free to air on the following Tuesday with a 45 minutes 'highlights' program, won't that be worth watching.
This is another great move by channel 10 who are broke, but can manage to pay celebrities $65,000 EACH!, per week to be on 'I am a celebrity, get me out of here', the ratings for that piece of crap are going down daily which is a good thing.
And the V-8 Supercar series are on Fuxtell this year as well, with just 6 races being on free to air, with the rest being shown live on Fuxtell, with free to air package being a 1 hour 'highlight' package.
When a Salesperson at the door from Fuxtell or someone in politics tells you thats it only a cup of coffee a day or a couple of packets of cigarettes a week, you know you are about to be screwed over.
You cannot get more blue collar than V-8 Taxi racing, so they are screwing over their loyal followers, but they wouldn't know that.
The LIVE Bathurst 12 hour last week on 'free to air' channel 7, outrated the V-8 'show and shine' day on the 'highlights package' later that day on channel 10 and there were 5 times more viewers on channel 10 than viewers watching on Fuxtell.
What can we do about?, well i have a cunning plan, last year when all this was announced, i purchased a lot of oils, coolants and spare parts from Supercheap and such, so for the next few years i wouldn't be buying anything from them when its on pay tv, so they will see a drop of from motorsport fans supporting the sponsors.
Check who are sponsoring the Formula 1 and V-8 Supercars and don't buy their products, Colin.
Quote from: colcol on February 15, 2015, 03:29:54 PM
<snip> but repeated on free to air on the following Tuesday
If this is true I feel a bit less annoyed. Do Ten confirm this anywhere?
See Speedcafe for the full story, watching a chopped up repeat is like watching a two day old edition of the news, Colin.
I see, I read your post to mean it would be repeated in full. My mistake.
Quote from: Stuart Thomson on February 15, 2015, 03:00:11 PM
In a seemingly never ending grab for money, F1 has moved to Foxtel. We will still get 10 races preyer on FTA, but the other 10 you'll have to pay for. One wonders how long that will last?
To me, this is another nail in the coffin that was the premier category of motorsport. Goodbye F1, it was great while it lasted, but I won't be watching it now. How does a sport expect to grow it's fan base when you have to pay $750 a year just to watch it on TV? I pay less to be an AFL member and get to attend at least 20 games a year.
I don't want the remainder of the rubbish that is telecast on Foxtel, so I would be paying the whole amount to watch the ten GP that aren't on FTA.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Stuart
Jeez Stu - you pay to watch footie?! Those of use who follow super rugby have had to have foxtel to watch it for years. I'm afraid 10's woes are symptomatic of the gradual demise of free to air television. Soon it'll be like that old argument about timed local phone calls. Who remembers that?
The $750 per year is on top of the $700 instalation fee, as quoted on the Speedcafe forum, plus its for 2 years as well?, so it ends up over $2,000 for 2 years, .....which is only a cup of coffee a day.
Will be doing everything to boycott the Formula 1 and V-8 Supercars sponsors, just so they get the message.
Upset a bit, but not massively, still plenty of things to watch on 72 mate, with histories of car manufacturers and old Formula 1 teams, when it was available to all, not just those with Fuxtell.
I would like it if they had pay-per-view, and you didn't have to pay for all the rubbish on Fuxtell, Colin.
Quote from: aggie57 on February 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
Jeez Stu - you pay to watch footie?! Those of use who follow super rugby have had to have foxtel to watch it for years. I'm afraid 10's woes are symptomatic of the gradual demise of free to air television. Soon it'll be like that old argument about timed local phone calls. Who remembers that?
Hi Al,
Well, if you follow an elitist sport...
Oh, hang on, you probably don't get much more elitist that F1, bugger, exposed by your own argument.
I suppose what really hangs in my craw (ask a local if you don't understand that expression), is that I'll be contributing to the Murdoch Empire, which would be fine, except that he's a money grubbing piece of filth who won't pay tax like the rest of us. Hmmm, I may be slightly biased though.
It's like the current season of Top Gear, which is being simulcast all around the world, but in Aus you have to pay to see it, or wait several months until Ch9 can be bothered to put the top rating factual (LOL) show "in the worrrrrrld" on FTA TV, then screw it up with ads, chopping time out of the show :face palm. That was supposed to stop people from sharing a show on the internet. Didn't work. I have a VPN and can stream it on BBC iPlayer.
Cheers
Stu
Channel 10 are broke, so they can't sell adds to Bridgestone or Castrol, because they won't be able to show V-8 Supercars or Formula 1, how does loosing audiences that buy sponsors products going to pay their way?.
I think that Fuxtell are hoping channel 10 will go into receivorship, so they can offer them a lowball finance package and take them over, so all the good stuff can go on pay tv and the stuff that no one wants will be on channel 10.
The Italian Formula 1 Grand Prix won't be on free to air, but will be on pay tv, Colin.
Hey all,
well, I am going to go to Albert Park and be disappointed like last year because of the noise the F1s make these days and that is it for me. >:(
I won't be watching anything on TV but go to Classic PI and attend some sprint events and make my own motorsport.... :o 8)
Ve hav vuays of making u talk,, have given up on watching ten 's telecast of F1 years ago, anyone remember when cricket 9 used to do it,was criminal to the sport, channel ten was not much better, mate sky uk or sky italia--that's the way to do it, all practice session's, f1 show's weekly, preview show before race and after with real people that know what they are talking bout,not some washed up out a cash git, i for one don't give one about ten losing it, good riddance, put ur glasses on and watch the best,sky uk.
Well I have a different opinion. I am a F1 fanatic - I like to watch the whole weekend including the practice sessions. Up until now, I have had to watch practice 'streaming' on the web (lots of sites out there that stream the UK's Sky F1 channel probably with questionable copyright). I also have had to download the F1 show by torrent (which is also questionable legality).
Last year the channel 10 commentators really gave me the sh*ts. I hate it when they talk about something which really they have no idea about (sometimes that includes Alan Jones). So my setup would be, a laptop sitting next to me on the couch for the live timing screens, another PC in the living room hooked up to the stereo with Sky F1 streaming via the web for the sound (which I would then swap to the telly audio when the annoying channel 10 iriots would go to the actual commentators). When the ad's came on, I would then have to change my telly over to the PC screen so I could at least get some idea of what was happening (the video quality of web streaming not the best) during channel 10 making the money breaks.
I have to admit, the only thing I did like about the channel 10 coverage was when there was something 'better' for channel 10 to show and they would broadcast the race on channel 11 (or one, I'm not sure) and you'd get HD quality pictures.
SO bring it on Foxtel I say. The ad I caught a bit of last night said they were going to be showing all practice sessions; I assume they will be going with the commentary from Crofty and Brundle (and Davidson, Lazenby, Pinkie (assuming shes back from maternity leave) etc, which will be much better than the channel 10 crap I've had to put with until now.
(oh yes, and BTW I do have two Foxtel boxes in the house - saves me having to argue with the missus over what to watch - and have had Foxtel (or pay telly rather) since the original 'Galaxy' pay telly came out in the late 1980's (I think). I rarely watch free-to-air telly).
Potsie
EDIT: Picture attached showing plethora of remotes needed last year - the whiskey was optional.
Edit the EDIT: I just noticed that the photo shows the timing screen at the conclusion of the 2013 British Grand Prix qualy session. Another thing that Channel 10 never showed was the 1 hour after race paddock report - such as what Ted and Johhny are doing on the telly picture. From the watermark in the top right of the screen, I can see that I was watching web streaming at the time. Another of my Favourite bits of the F1 weekend is "Ted's Notebook" - channel ten never showed that either. Can't wait for proper Foxtel/Sky F1 coverage this coming season... Go Daniel ! (oh, and the Ferraris with the nice Alfa logo)
Quote from: Stuart Thomson on February 15, 2015, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: aggie57 on February 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
Jeez Stu - you pay to watch footie?! Those of use who follow super rugby have had to have foxtel to watch it for years. I'm afraid 10's woes are symptomatic of the gradual demise of free to air television. Soon it'll be like that old argument about timed local phone calls. Who remembers that?
Hi Al,
Well, if you follow an elitist sport...
Oh, hang on, you probably don't get much more elitist that F1, bugger, exposed by your own argument.
I suppose what really hangs in my craw (ask a local if you don't understand that expression), is that I'll be contributing to the Murdoch Empire, which would be fine, except that he's a money grubbing piece of filth who won't pay tax like the rest of us. Hmmm, I may be slightly biased though.
It's like the current season of Top Gear, which is being simulcast all around the world, but in Aus you have to pay to see it, or wait several months until Ch9 can be bothered to put the top rating factual (LOL) show "in the worrrrrrld" on FTA TV, then screw it up with ads, chopping time out of the show :face palm. That was supposed to stop people from sharing a show on the internet. Didn't work. I have a VPN and can stream it on BBC iPlayer.
Cheers
Stu
Yeah, I get that. Murdoch is a hard case. Good thing he moved to the States :).
BBC America shows TG within a few days of it being broadcast in the UK. Last week we had Daniel beat Lewis in the old Liana. Fabulous lap but I'm sure you've seen it already. Go Dan!!
Disgraceful, but hardly surprising after Murdoch's son bought into Ch10 a few years ago. I could see it coming when they changed from having F1 exclusively on HD, to not.
I watched the last few races of last year online anyway, purely to get the better commentary, and no ads. Guess I'll be doing that all year now. Time for everyone to get a VPN.
Quote from: aggie57 on February 15, 2015, 06:31:14 PM
Those of use who follow super rugby have had to have foxtel to watch it for years.
It was bloody expensive trying to watch the proper oval-ball game in Melbourne a few years ago. I used to have to go a rugby-sensitive pub every weekend. Pretty easy to stream anything these days though.
I watched the bathurst 12 hour and the new formula E and found both far more exciting than Formula 1
these 2 are about getting the most out of what you have!
Formula 1,and it kills me to say it, is now about limiting this reducing that so that its now like that add on TV ( FREE) where they race at 40kmph to get points exactly the same except no ferrets!
So far on Speedcafe, 250 comments on the Formula 1 going to Fuxtell, most of them negative, apart from the ones who have Fuxtell and don't mind being bent over a table by an American.
When the V-8 Supercar deal to channel 10 was announced CEO James Wobbleton said it was a great deal for V-8 Supercars, then the truth came out about the 6 races being free to air and the rest on pay TV!.
How can Formula 1 and V-8 Supercars bring in new fans, if it is on pay TV, old bastards like me aint going to be around forever.....but looking forward to not being tired on Mondays at work, Colin.
NO its not !!!
the fact a standard GTR is a twin turbo 3.8 not 3.0 ltr
b) it you look upo fianl positions onn the official site it has their capacities
Guess what 6.4!!! results below
1 35 NISMO Athlete Global Team F.Strauss/K.Chiyo/W.Reip Nissan GT-R NISMO GT 6459 AA 269 12:00:11.0280 2:03.9769 14
2 15 Phoenix Racing M.Mapelli/L.Vanthoor/M.Winkelhock Audi R8-LMS Ultra 20 5200 AP 269 12:00:13.4809 2:03.3091R 29
3 97 Craft Bamboo Racing D.O'Young/A.MacDowall/S.Mucke Aston Martin Vantage 5955 AP 269 12:00:13.8296 2:04.4514 94
4 10 Bentley Team M-Sport G.Smith/S.Kane/M.Bell Bentley Continental 3994 AP 269 12:00:14.8101 2:05.1808 15
5 36 Erebus Motorsport J.LeBrocq/R.Muscat/D.Canto Mercedes SLS AMG GT3 6200 AP 269 12:00:14.9710 2:04.5607 93
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sorry guys wrong hole dont know how?
this belongs in barn find
Ratings came out for the V-8's on Fuxtell, during the Albert Park event there were about 100,000 watching on pay tv, would be interesting to see how many were watching on channel 10 free to air, i think from memory at the Clipsal 500, there were 4 times as many watching on free to air channel 10 than Fuxtell.
I would think that the Formula 1 will be the same.
'Highlights' package on free to air channel 1 sometime next Monday goes for about an hour at the Malaysian Grand Prix, Colin.
Massive ratings drop for Formula 1 on pay TV, 2015 Malaysian Grand Prix, 50,000 views on pay tv, [fuxtell], in 2014 on free to air channel 10 had 350,000 viewers, that is a 85% drop in live to air ratings, no figures yet for the delayed 'highlights' package the day after on channel 10, Colin.
Col, I don't really care about the ratings, and I thought the Foxtel coverage was great. Different to the Melbourne GP, as the F1 wasn't also being shown on channel 10 there was no Ad's at all! (just like being in the UK) It was a great race. Pity about Daniel's result. Oh, the other fortunate thing was that the Kiwi's were all out in the World Cup before the race started. Nevertheless I still set up two telly's in the lounge room with one on the cricket and one with the F1. Potsie.
According to 'In Pit Lane' the ratings have come out for the V-8 Touring Cars, for the Tasmanian Round at Symonds Plain, 60,000 watched on Fuxtell, last year 390,000 watched on channel 7 free to air.
In one year they have lost 330,000 viewers, has to be a major concern for sponsors, as to how quick they can withdraw from this series.
Expect a lot of white cars next year when sponsorships end.
If it wasn't for good TV programs such as 'In Pit Lane', then you wouldn't hear these figures, certainly the V-8 Supercar Organisers are not going to tell you.
'In Pit Lane' is on Community Television channel 44 on Wednesday night at 9-30 in Melbourne, for other states, check your guides, Colin.
It's been a long time coming in this country,but at last were getting the coverage that F1 deserves, think that the best that's happened is F1 to fox, sky uk does an excellent job,before during race and after plus f1 show weekly, what a crime it was to the sport channel 9 and really ten was not much better.User payer, if u are a fan of the sport u don't mind.
this is also because F 1 is scared from new competition Formula e bathurst formats lemans and Fuxtel is scared from the new pay system netflix
its because we love our motor racing they are trying to feed you a drug that you cant live without
or swap
If you support these pay systems you will pay and pay and pay some more
dont support it support free TV or all real news and independent opinion will bought sold and lost
I loved F1 but I wont do Fuxtel and sell my soul
I always support the sponsors of Formula 1 and V-8 Supercars, but now i will go out of my way not to support them, so that the sponsors will get the message, that 50,000 - 60,000 viewers now watching, down 85% from free to air broadcasts.
It is as bad as 25 years ago when channel 7 had the Touring cars, and put a 'highlights' package on late at night.
They have taken the short term grab for money, rather than the long term view, Colin.
For all those people who like motor racing, but refuse to get Foxtel, the Monaco Grand Prix is on television tonight, not quite live, but not a 1 hour highlights package the next day, just to remind you of Formula 1 before Murdock got his money grabbing hands on it, Colin.
Quote from: Stuart Thomson on February 15, 2015, 03:00:11 PM
In a seemingly never ending grab for money, F1 has moved to Foxtel. We will still get 10 races preyer on FTA, but the other 10 you'll have to pay for. One wonders how long that will last?
To me, this is another nail in the coffin that was the premier category of motorsport. Goodbye F1, it was great while it lasted, but I won't be watching it now. How does a sport expect to grow it's fan base when you have to pay $750 a year just to watch it on TV? I pay less to be an AFL member and get to attend at least 20 games a year.
I don't want the remainder of the rubbish that is telecast on Foxtel, so I would be paying the whole amount to watch the ten GP that aren't on FTA.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Stuart
hear hear, foxtell is rubbish and Rupert Murdoch is evil!!! might spell the end of Melbourne having the F1 race too
It's obviously a pain in the arse for those without Foxtel, but their full live coverage of practice, qualifying, the paddock before and after, and race day is an improvement over the prior limited coverage on FTA, in my opinion anyway.
But what F1 really needs to improve the viewing experience is for our boy Richo to quit RBR for Ferrari so he can start embarrassing Ze German (both of them actually) and that tosser Hamilton again.
The Formula 1 has been so boring lately, that a 1 hour 'highlights' package seems a better alternative to a 2 hour coverage, Colin.
Col, what are you on about? .. I filled my fridge full of pi*s and strapped into my favourite armchair for the full 5 hours on Sunday Night (or until whatever time it was that I fell asleep). I then woke up to the Indy 500 later on. Much better than a highlights package. Potsie.
Potsie, i had to go to work on Monday morning and not make any frukcups, Colin.