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General Category => Buy/Swap/Sell [Announce ONLY] => Topic started by: giuliasuper on March 06, 2008, 11:33:14 AM

Title: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY - history found
Post by: giuliasuper on March 06, 2008, 11:33:14 AM
Hi Everyone.

Have just recently purchased a light grey 1969 1750 GTV from down Frankston way. The interior is particularly original in a burgundy red colour and the car is a real credit to the previous owner.

Unfortunately the car was purchased by a third party between myself and the original owner and the third party was reluctant for me to make contact with the former owner.

I'm keen to get some history on the car and to have a better understanding of how it had been maintained so beautifully.

If you know of the owner and think he/she would be happy for me to call for a chat please ring me on 0403 389 585.

Thanks

Derek
Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY
Post by: sportscar on March 06, 2008, 07:43:49 PM
Hi, can we see some pics please? ;)
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Post by: giuliasuper on March 07, 2008, 05:53:01 PM
All my pictures are multiple megabytes. How do you get over the 256kB restriction?

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Post by: sportscar on March 07, 2008, 07:16:20 PM
Hi Derek ,i posted some pics of partly restored 1750 some time ago.Check that your camera will work on postcard setting or smaller.then the pics can be uploaded,hope to see them soon.   Jason
Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY
Post by: Jack on March 11, 2008, 11:08:57 PM
Hey Super
Use Windows to shrink your pics.
Double click the .jpeg
Windows Picture manager should open.
Go edit pictures, go compress, Shrink to Doc or web size.
Go "save as" so as not to shrink your original,
and kerplunk! Your pic is shrunk and ready to post.
Like to see the pics as well.
Cheers
Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY
Post by: giuliasuper on March 12, 2008, 08:21:31 PM
Hope this works!
Title: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY
Post by: giuliasuper on March 12, 2008, 08:32:21 PM
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Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY
Post by: giuliasuper on March 20, 2008, 10:51:03 AM
No information has come through.

Are their any other sources or sites I should be trying? How about the 105 section?!

Derek
Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY
Post by: giuliasuper on April 14, 2008, 11:53:02 AM
Would the 105 technical section be any use?!

Derek
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Post by: Gary Pearce on April 14, 2008, 03:03:38 PM
Hi, I think I know the car as I live down Frankston way too.
An elderly gentleman, who I stopped to talk to on several occasions comparing notes on our special cars. I was always fond of the red trim with the series one seats. He owned the car for several years and drove it sparingly but correctly. His wife would complain that he would only drive the back way to the shops avoiding the traffic and would not leave the car unattended in the car park. I don't know what the circumstances were regarding the sale, but I'm sure he wasn't far from giving up driving when we last spoke. If it is the car the owner cared for it himself, but either way they are a very easy car to inspect and keep up to scratch if it is indeed not in perfect shape.
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Post by: shane wescott on April 14, 2008, 10:20:33 PM
What a lovely piece of machinery, regardless of the history.

I especially love the seats, they look like the ones i had in my first Alfa, a Berlina. You could run them forward, roll them back into lay down position and the car then converted into a double bed with a handbrake in the middle - perfect for the drive-in.

And don't forget the mini eski between the back seats - room for a couple of vb's :-)

But seriously a beautiful looking example of the 105 gene pool.

Catch ya

Shane
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Post by: Ash Gordon on April 15, 2008, 09:50:54 PM
Great looking 105! The interior looks great and in particular good condition, love the red.

Shame about the mirrors - would be worth picking up a second hand or reproduction pair they are reasonably easy to find these days. ( smaller round chrome mirrors )

It was one of the first cosmetic changes I made to my 105, plus the fact when you hit 80 - 90km the larger plastic mirrors folded in towards the body.
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Post by: a sharp on April 16, 2008, 06:42:07 PM
Derick
The car was listed on the AROCA Vic register as being owned by a former member C Hacche from 1979 onwards, I have no listing of when it was sold by him or have any contact details.
Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY - HISTORY FOUND
Post by: giuliasuper on April 17, 2008, 11:37:08 AM
Thanks everyone - I've had some success.  I've been able to make contact with the son of the long-term owner.

The car was indeed much loved by the owner previous to last.  He meticulously cared for the dear old thing for 27 years from 1979 until earlier this year.  The sad part follows. In his mid 80's this chap suffered a short but serious bout of poor health and decided he should no longer drive.  The day after this decision he was approached by a tradesman fitting a roller-door to a next door property.  A conversation over the vehicle ensued.  The tradesman looking for a bargain asked if the old guy would be prepared to sell. Still in grief over his inability to drive and not knowing the market he asked $3,500.  The tradesman beat him down to $3000 without a roadworthy. The next day the car was on the market for $15,000.  It sold quickly. 

Of course, upon reflection the old guy has been devastated.  As you'd expect, the box full of receipts and maintenance books are 'no longer available'. I've offered to hand over the car to the son of the previous owner from time to time so he can take his dad out for a spin but naturally there is a sad resignation that his 'baby' is gone.  There should be a law against it!  Please warn your senior family and friends to be careful!

Thanks again.

Derek

Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY - history found
Post by: Sportscar Nut on April 19, 2008, 06:51:11 PM
Sorry to hear the records of the car are gone but the car looks great. I have a 69 GTV 1750 Series 1 and original plates are KGG 220 so a close relative of yours! I too do not have the history on my car as the car spent 19 years disasembled on a shed and then the owner passed away. Wife threw papers away and then sold car!!!!

Might see you out at a club day! Happy motoring.

Regards
Paul
Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY - history found
Post by: giuliasuper on May 27, 2008, 08:47:12 PM
What a journey! I've had a lot of 'fun' with this car.

I purchased the car back on the 29th of February. Regrettably, I broke several golden rules in acquiring the car, the most important of all is that I trusted the roadworthy. There were several minor body related items I wanted attended to and as I sussed out various body repairers, structural rust in the sills and in the front was identified. Boy did I feel stupid!  A further check by my mechanic found another half dozen unroadworthy items! Under threat of reporting to Vic Roads the RWC provider and the previous owner agreed to see to the repairs.

During this time I had been searching for the previous owner. Thanks to this forum, as you know the previous owner was tracked down. We had a terrific conversation about his car and he insisted that the books were handed over to the interim owner. Last week I picked the car up. Only when I fronted the 'gent' with my knowledge of his dealings did his wife remember that she had all the books in the back of her car! So at last I have the records and boy are they spectacular. From the original purchase through Clemens Sporting Cars, through every registration renewal notice, every Benincas Service, every journal entry of every tank of fuel purchased, they are an absolute credit to Mr. Hacche.

As it turns out, there were 3 items of the 11 left unrepaired by the mechanic providing the dodgy RWC so I am taking him to Vic Roads and perhaps VCAT anyway. Whilst this is occuring I was wondering about a couple of other things I'd like to have addressed.

Can anyone provide advice on -

Finding the original cross-hatched material or equivalent for the drivers seat
Replacement visors
Dash timbers - refurbished or replaced
Inside cracked A pillar repairs or replacement
Rear seat belts - where to purchase and have fitted
Where to purchase correct mirrors
Where to purchase correct wheels

Many thanks again to all who helped me! :)

Derek
 
Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY - history found
Post by: Sportscar Nut on May 27, 2008, 09:52:44 PM
Derek

Hope your 105 is running well and good luck with pursuing the business who provided the RWC!

In reference to your advice:

- The cross hatched vinyl is available but expensive! I have considered upgrading on my vehicle as had a few 'cracks' but had them welded by a vinyl expert (who I can highly recommend but might be difficult to get to do the job).

Art on Wheels (formerly the 105 Factory) in Ringwood may have the vinyl but can also be obtained from a few specialists in Europe (UK from memory). The price was around AUD$1,500 but also came with new boot rubber (including Alfa insignia on base piece).

If vinyl is in reasonable condition, I can also recommend purchasing 'Vinyl Restorer' from the Dashboard Factory in Ringwood as have liberally used for the last 5 years and the original vinyl in my car including original dashboard and has come back to life. Ie soft and pliable rather than brittle and dry!

Vinyl should not have any product containing silicone applied which rules out just about anything you would purchase from Autobarn etc but the vinyl reconditioner actually contains compounds used in making vinyl. Have used on my Sud as well and door trims, seat bases etc are like new as well!

- Sun visors: If you hunt around at say, Milano Spares, you should be able to find good ones and then apply the vinyl restorer.

- Dashboard timber: Again, I think Art on Wheels or UK should be able to provide but be careful on finish. Ie Have seen many restored 105's with timber that is clearly too dark.

- In side A Pillars: Again, try Milano Spares or UK. Should not be hard to locate.

- Rear Seat Belts: To my knowledge, were not originally fitted and as I would not consider rear seat passengers in my car, have not considered fitting. Early 70's Alfa's came with nice period type seat belts so again, Milano might be able to assist!

- Correct Mirrors: Again, many Alfa wreckers should be able to assist.

- Original Wheels: Were steel, so are easily accessed. New hubcaps are also available (around $300 from Milano) and look a treat on 1750 GTV's!

Hope I am too over the top in 'advertising' Milano but have purchased many parts over many years from them and have always been satisfied (105, Sud & GTV). Also, plenty of 105 parts available globally pending your budget; just get on the net! All the best.

Regards
Paul
Title: Re: 1969 1750 GTV KGB 260 - SEEKING HISTORY - history found
Post by: Ash Gordon on May 28, 2008, 08:20:16 PM
Hi Derek,

I tried to source locally, but what with the strong Aussie $, the overseas websites are hard to beat on price.

http://www.alfaholics.com  is where my mirrors came from aprrox $60 ( 27.50 pounds stirling) each plus postage. A selection of "new" old stock and plenty of new reproduction parts.

Shop around though, I have been out to Milano and they have quite a few 105s in various states out in the wrecking yard so you might get lucky. Quite good on prices too!

I have alo bought suspension parts at Benicas in Surrey Hills. They used to stock the mirrors, worth a phone call.

Theres a full list of suppliers on the alfa club website, by state & some O/S . mind you not all up to date.

http://www.alfaclub.org.au/supplier.htm