Hi all,
It's probably been mentioned numerous times, but I was wondering what's the process of changing the oil on a 2.4jtd.
Not asking how to physically do it, but the notification came up on the dash last night telling me to change the oil. If I do change it, will the message go away or will I need to get someone to hook it up to a computer to reset it?
Really don't wanna get a service shop to charge an arm and a leg to do something I could do in my sleep.
Cheers, Andrew.
Sorry, NEEDS to be reset by Diagnostics. Why? Below is an excerpt from an article I wrote for the QLD Alfa Club Magazine which explains the reasons -
The Simple Oil Change
In the past one could just take any Saturday morning, get under the hood and change the Air filter, plugs, oil and oil filter, start her up and feel most satisfied with a job well done. All you had to do was make sure that the filters and plugs were of the correct type, the plugs were gapped right, the oil was of the correct specification. AND you hooked up the Computer Diagnostic suite and reset the oil parameters in the Engine ECU..... Eh? What?
Yup, that's right. If you own a 159 Diesel or 1750TBi, any Giulietta, Giulia or 4C you need to reset the oil change monitoring parameters when you change the oil. (Oh crap I hear you say?) And no, it's not just to reset the Oil Level indicator in the dash. It's much more than that, and if you don't have it done, it can cause trouble.
In the Petrol engines it resets all the adaptive parameters related to the oil quality from the control unit. In cars fitted with Multi-Air engines, oil quality is critical in these engines, and not using the correct spec oil or having the oil monitoring system not function correctly can lead to the Multi-Air unit getting gummed up and throwing tantrums.
With the diesels, resetting the oil parameters is necessary every time the engine oil is replaced, and when the 'low oil pressure' led blinks in the dashboard.
Why? As your Diesel drives along, soot builds up in the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) When the soot gets to a certain level, it carries out a DPF Regeneration. This means that extra fuel is injected into the engine so that it doesn't burn in the engine itself, but passes into the exhaust and then the DPF, where it burns at extremely high temperatures. This basically incinerates the soot and cleans out the DPF. The problem is that some of this extra diesel fuel gets past the pistons and into the engine oil, degrading and thinning it. You can well imagine the results if this condition becomes too severe.
So the short term option is licenced MES and the longer term option includes DPF.
Well then.....
Seems like I'm booking it in for an oil change >:(
Perché?
Dealer service will nearly cost more than oil plus MES (licenced) and cables. And you have nothing for it other than an invoice.
Will Mick A help you learn the process?
Mick does it as a living, if he taught everyone in his area how to do things for themselves he would soon go out of business.
Yes, but he did help Andrew a bit with the 164 heads, that's why I mentioned him.
Quote from: Citroënbender on July 29, 2018, 04:20:11 PM
So the short term option is licenced MES and the longer term option includes DPF.
So no DPF means cleaner ol that means it can be replaced longer than the authorized 2 year interval?
What writes off a 159? It's more likely to be minor collision damage or accrued neglect than a specific motor problem. The current crop of long-in-the-tooth 147s and 156s are our template for such.
Quote from: Australia on July 30, 2018, 11:58:39 AM
Quote from: Citroënbender on July 29, 2018, 04:20:11 PM
So the short term option is licenced MES and the longer term option includes DPF.
So no DPF means cleaner ol that means it can be replaced longer than the authorized 2 year interval?
Alfa themselves state that if the car is driven in extreme/harsh/city driving conditions the oil should be changed every 12 months.
As we live in one of the hottest, dustiest countries with not the best quality of fuel supplies I suggest to ALL clients to get their cars service every 10,000km/12 months.
Except Tassie. More like Sicily?
Sicily probably has a better murder clean-up rate, and superior healthcare.
Quote from: Citroënbender on July 30, 2018, 03:34:12 PM
Sicily probably has a better murder clean-up rate, and superior healthcare.
Inspector Montalbano would agree
Cheers for the replies,
Would the program MultiECUScan (MES) enable me to reset the service intervals and such? I would really like to be able to do all the servicing myself.
I already have a high quality bluetooth OBD2 adaptor (ELM327) and wondering if it will work with the MES program on a laptop? Or would I need to purchase the cables to connect it to my laptop physically?
Cheers, Andrew.
Well you can give it a go and if it don't work, buy the cable.
I use the cable on the Alfa.
On the Kia I have used both until I dropped the wireless adaptor into water.
So I connected the ECU to my computer and opened up the free version of MES.
I was able to successfully view fault codes, enable relays like the fuel pump and thermo fans etc, and saw the option to reset the oil interval light.
I did not see the option to reset the service interval light (it hasn't come up on the dashboard yet), and wondering if I pay for a licensed version, would it let me reset the service light?
Cheers, Andrew.
A lot of that type Q&A is covered on the MES pages (not their forum).
There are also ways to determine whether a function is supported by the licenced version, during a diagnostic session on the freeware.
Quote from: Citroënbender on July 31, 2018, 05:51:02 PM
A lot of that type Q&A is covered on the MES pages (not their forum).
There are also ways to determine whether a function is supported by the licenced version, during a diagnostic session on the freeware.
Yes I have read through the website and played around with the free version, but I have read online that some people have had issues when trying to reset the service light on several forums and just wanted to see if I could get some feedback first hand if this is indeed possible or not.
Cheers
Probably best to leave the oil in there, eh? 🙀
I'd be interested to know how many of the people alleging problems were using a legitimate version of licenced MES, not a crack, and which interfaces they had tried.
My observations - totally without qualification - are that the creator of MES seems to be a straight up chap and known issues are flagged ASAP. With that perspective you'd expect to hear of any such problems from the horse's mouth.