The New Alfa Romeo Giulia was just announced and apparently, the Quadrifoglio Verde model houses a 510hp twin turbo 3L v6 and it'll do 0-100 in 4 seconds!
Best video from the AR website http://www.alfaromeo.it/it/spiritoalfaromeo
On looks alone this car shapes as being very capable of kicking some BMW and Audi butt.
Here's some great detail video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQh0JqaCAN0
Quote from: Barry Edmunds on June 25, 2015, 05:48:58 PM
On looks alone this car shapes as being very capable of kicking some BMW and Audi butt.
I'll need to see one in the flesh, and with the bonnet open on the V6 before passing final judgement. However my first impression on the exterior styling, side profile, is that someone tried to jam a BMW 1-series inside a Mazda 6 ..............
They should have done something more unique with the lights styling at both ends. But I guess the 156 and 159 are hard acts to follow.
My real gripe is why they re-used the
Giulia tag.
Everyone keeps saying it looks like a BMW. It's got vents in the guards and bonnet but that's about the only similarity I see. I'll be lining up to get my hands on one to see if it lives up to the Giulia badge and a return to alfas roots.
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I think this will be a winner!!
Forget BMW and Audi.... this is will be out hunting AMG C63's for breakfast!!
With this and the 4C, we are finally going back to what Alfa is all about....
... and hence the traditional names like 8C, 4C and Giulia....
Giulia has always been associated with the 4 door sedan that can hold it's own against the sporty coupes of various brands....
... and did you see the size of the front discs??!!!!
Quote from: Backto105 on June 26, 2015, 08:57:41 PM
... and did you see the size of the front discs??!!!!
Did indeed - they're huge!
There is a feature on the new Alfa Romeo Giulia in the pathetic motoring liftout in the Age, from the Australian point of view, with a clear picture of the newly tooled Alfa Romeo logo.
Makes a change from the normal in depth road test of four wheel drives.
And the good news is that Alfa Romeo will have a range of four wheel drives in the future, with bits borrowed, [surprise] from their American cousins, Colin.
Quote from: colcol on June 27, 2015, 10:09:13 AM
There is a feature on the new Alfa Romeo Giulia in the pathetic motoring liftout in the Age, from the Australian point of view, with a clear picture of the newly tooled Alfa Romeo logo.
Makes a change from the normal in depth road test of four wheel drives.
And the good news is that Alfa Romeo will have a range of four wheel drives in the future, with bits borrowed, [surprise] from their American cousins, Colin.
Jeep Cherokee no doubt
Has anybody seen an actual engine back pictures or cut-away drawings of the car?
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much talk about the car's looks and no real talk about the car's substance.
Photo's of the car look like mock ups. Notice that there are no noticable coolers (intercoolers/radiators) in the fron of the 'car'???
Give me technical data and photos/drawing of how and what goes on underneath!
Generic motoring media is BOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!
Quote from: Duk on June 27, 2015, 03:46:35 PM
Has anybody seen an actual engine back pictures or cut-away drawings of the car?
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much talk about the car's looks and no real talk about the car's substance.
Photo's of the car look like mock ups. Notice that there are no noticable coolers (intercoolers/radiators) in the fron of the 'car'???
Give me technical data and photos/drawing of how and what goes on underneath!
Generic motoring media is BOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!
Internet is full of information, pictures, videos etc., you're not trying hard enough :)
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Thanks for sharing! I've spent some time looking for driveline photos.
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Well I want one. But no AWD. Just give me a V6 RWD with a normal manual box (but no doubt they'll offer paddles only).
If the money gods are smiling on me, my plan is to wait til they've been on sale a couple of years, let the normal Alfa depreciation work its magic then have a crack at one for a fraction of the original sale price.
The two shown are both six speed manuals.
Lots of pictures on quatroroute of the interiors (through the glass)
You're dead right. Conventional 6sp manual gearshift. Perfecto!
And surely they will have to price the QV below the 4C "halo" car, so hopefully that will mean lower spec RWD models will be reasonably priced*.
(*only 1 arm, no leg)
Quote from: poohbah on June 27, 2015, 07:23:26 PM
You're dead right. Conventional 6sp manual gearshift. Perfecto!
And surely they will have to price the QV below the 4C "halo" car, so hopefully that will mean lower spec RWD models will be reasonably priced*.
(*only 1 arm, no leg)
Not sure you are serious, but the Giulia QV out accelerates the "halo" 4C to 100kph (and beyond) with claimed 3.9sec. It competes directly with M3 (and other sauerkrauts) with technology and performance and those start at $156K + on roads.
I also hope, with no offence, your prediction of historic Alfa devaluation disappears too. If and it's a big if, they get their dealer network in order with knowledgeable, organised staff and the Giulia's mechanicals are bullet proof...it will be bad for used car buyers but increased confidence in new sales. And if Alfa is to avoid why it fell in a heap before even with RWD, manual stick shift, transaxle, glorious engines etc etc then that is what needs to happen...increased sales.
There is no doubt the QV will be the performance star, but the 4C will be still Alfa's bedroom poster star for the next few years, so I would imagine the top spec version would have to command a price premium, or at least set the ceiling for all other vehicles.
As for Alfa's usual depreciation continuing on as it has in the past - that is about the only way I will ever be able to afford a Giulia that is less than 10 years old! (So I guess I'll be scouring Autotrader in about 2025...)
The current Maserati Ghibli with an Alfa badge...thats what it is ;)
has to me better than a fiat with an alfa badge
but seriously it takes alot from maserati as
alfa has been taken out of fiats hands directly and been placed under the Maserati management .
Yes Fiat owns it overall, but thats only in a financial way now, a bit like jag and tata
SO what we are going to get is cars more like the pre 75/ 90 era cars that is real alfas.
with engines ..well a little more unique and advanced
somewhere where the technology is better than a standard "Camry"and is competing at a different level
no longer chasing the Japanese or now the koreans but they chase them.
how it should be, maybe a little late considering the momentum that electric cars are getting
Quote from: Alfamania on July 18, 2015, 09:59:25 AM
The current Maserati Ghibli with an Alfa badge...thats what it is ;)
Actually it is the next Maserati that will be an Alfa wearing a Maserati badge. The new Giulia shares none of it's technology or engine with current Ghibli (or other model). The all new Alfa V6 engine being 90 Deg and the current Maserati 60 Deg.
Here you will find if anything it has more technology from Ferrari and specifically 458 Speciale (that has some of it's parts on the new Ferrari 488 GTB).
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/alfa-romeo/seven-surprises-on-new-alfa-romeo-giulia-revealed-by-chief-engineer/ (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/alfa-romeo/seven-surprises-on-new-alfa-romeo-giulia-revealed-by-chief-engineer/)
As for ownership/management everything Maserati does is determined by Sergio Marchionne (for that matter for all of FCA). In terms of vision, that was stated by Sergio in 2004, that collaboration will take place between Alfa and Maserati. As the Ferrari was spun off the replacement big money maker will be Maserati going forward. And Alfa will step up to take Maserati's current "status" position (not easy to compare but as stated a bit like it's former self).
http://www.quattroruote.it/news/industria/2015/06/23/marchionne_e_l_alfa_romeo_dieci_anni_di_storia_gli_usa_la_giulia_i_piani_industriali.html (http://www.quattroruote.it/news/industria/2015/06/23/marchionne_e_l_alfa_romeo_dieci_anni_di_storia_gli_usa_la_giulia_i_piani_industriali.html)
PS It's in Italian so if you copy and paste into google translate you may understand but beware it comes out in pigeon English.
Well it's definitely driving around: http://youtu.be/Ib_fXfaafBo
Quote from: alfamisa on July 18, 2015, 01:51:26 PM
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/alfa-romeo/seven-surprises-on-new-alfa-romeo-giulia-revealed-by-chief-engineer/ (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/alfa-romeo/seven-surprises-on-new-alfa-romeo-giulia-revealed-by-chief-engineer/)
Great article which I hadn't ready before. Great to hear some of the more technical story.
in relation to the name Giulia and why ,well evidently its comes from the fact that Giulietta means little giulia and now shes grown up its a bigger car.
I tried to put a pre order in they said they would take my details and would get back to me
I asked how much for the really good one, and he said" the GTA? I said I suppose and he replied somewhere between
125K and 200K !!!
a safe margin I said I'm out at 200! thats a Maserati price
we wait..
Quote from: Evan Bottcher on August 10, 2015, 02:33:47 PM
Well it's definitely driving around: http://youtu.be/Ib_fXfaafBo
Thanks Evan. Nice to see - aren't those sills low!
An announcement from Alfa Romeo head "Sergio Pinocchio " that will surprise no one.
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/alfas-big-new-car-plan-has-been-delayed
Yeah, agreed Paul. No surprises. Makes you wonder why he keeps on making such grand statements if the plans change as soon as the moon comes out.
In terms of the impact this sort of thing has, imagine you're tempted to spend $100k on a new Giulia. Let's say the choice is that or a 3-series. Then you look down the road a bit to when it's time to move out of the car. Alfa may or may not have a new model by then. Likely not. But BMW have, and not only that but their dealers have access to a program where your trade can be onsold at reasonable margin. And a good marketing program to back that up, so a good supply of ready customers.
This is why he needs a long term game. He needs this generation of cars, the next generation, a dealer network that can see how they can make money on the initial sale and on the next cycle, and are capable of providing good customer service in the meantime. If he can't do that forget it. It's not worth it.