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Winton short lap times
« on: December 20, 2011, 03:48:05 PM »
I wasn't entirely sure which section to post this question in but figured most Victorian racers would see it here.

What lap times are the faster 2 litre Alfas (preferably those on R tyres) doing around the Winton short circuit these days?

I can't wait to finally have a run there next September with the East Coast Challenge meeting.

Cheers,

Brent

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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 03:56:35 PM »
Brent

I would doubt we would share such sensitive information!!!!!!!!!

Neil

PS Natsoft would be a good reference

1:10-1:12 would be considered averagely fast.

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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 04:07:45 PM »
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?06/03/2011.WIN.S22.Y

Neil is on the juice again...... :D

How long since we published a full set of AROCA competition class lap records?
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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 04:23:39 PM »
Thanks guys. You know us cane toads will need all the help we can get. We're just simple folk up here, used to lumbering about in agricultural machinery and the like....


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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 09:25:42 PM »
Brent, Without slicks anything under 1:10 is really fast for a 2L car. Most don't get under 2:12. I did 1:05.21 in an official aroca sprint and 1:04.9 in practice the day before.... But that was on new Perelli slicks and with a 4.55 diff that really suits the short course at Winton. Here in Vic, only Seby M. has a 2L car that consistently runs under 2:10...
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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 10:15:40 AM »
Jim,

Thanks for the info. I remember Seby's car from PI - very quick indeed.

Have an excellent Christmas.

Cheers,

Brent

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 06:34:06 PM »
Both Spencer Rice  (group Nc) and Tony K (Sc) have done plenty of laps under 1.10 in recent years, into the 08s in fact.
In the late 1980's a couple of us in Club Car/GpN 2.0lt Alfettas used to run under 10's on Jurasic Yokohama A001Rs, same as Noah used on the trailer for the Ark, narrow rough track and no curbs to cushion the slide. 1:09.8 stood as a 2.0lt R-tyre record for about 12 years, well into the 2000's....... ;D

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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2011, 10:04:34 PM »
Both Spencer Rice  (group Nc) and Tony K (Sc) have done plenty of laps under 1.10 in recent years, into the 08s in fact.
In the late 1980's a couple of us in Club Car/GpN 2.0lt Alfettas used to run under 10's on Jurasic Yokohama A001Rs, same as Noah used on the trailer for the Ark, narrow rough track and no curbs to cushion the slide. 1:09.8 stood as a 2.0lt R-tyre record for about 12 years, well into the 2000's....... ;D

The track was a hell of a lot rougher and tighter then for sure.   Classic example - the entry to water tower/penrite was much narrower so you had to brake earlier and in a straight line, carrying less speed through the corner and slower out.

I recall we got down to a 1:10.something in Fang in the early 90's. Which as Vin and some others will remember was a pretty standard Alfetta GT with a very mild PACE engine, some really old second hand slicks and not much else.  I think we did something like a 12 or 13 with the original standard 1.6 (yes, 1.6 not 1.8) 
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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 07:42:30 AM »
Alister, each time I hear that story the engine gets smaller!! Do you have a photo of this wonder car to share? :)

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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 08:29:01 AM »
Alister, each time I hear that story the engine gets smaller!! Do you have a photo of this wonder car to share? :)



Will drag one out - it predated the digital world.  
 
You guys just need to go faster - really, 52 at the Island with all that power.  Is that the best you can do? ;D
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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 11:50:52 AM »
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I recall we got down to a 1:10.something in Fang in the early 90's

Fang was a bit of a cult car in its day . How to build a budget Alfetta race car, it  even pre dates Roxanne on Alfa BB http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/milano-75-1987-1989/27358-roxanne-budget-milano-75-track-car.html.

Alister, Some  memories  i have of Fang were:

1. How it used to get blown away by Mini Cooper's off the starting line at Winton . It used to take a couple of laps to get going.
2. There was a series of articles in Cross & Serpent following the build & history of Fang . If you can't find them David Crump may have a set buried somewhere.
3. What ATECO or its predecessor used to get away with  importing. A 1.6 Litre pretending to be a 1.8 litre GT what will they try and do next.

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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 01:00:37 PM »
Thanks Paul - I'd forgotten about those articles.  Sadly I lost my pre-2000 magazine collection in a spare room cleanout some time back. 

The incident I remember was at the first Winton 24-hr, it's first major event.  It started the race and within 45 minutes was black flagged for leaking rear main seal.  4 hours and lots of swearing later it was fixed.  Did 6-hrs on the track in the end. 

Neil - we need another 24-hr relay!
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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2011, 06:42:09 PM »
Neil - we need another 24-hr relay
Now your talking surely Neil could organise that in his spare time

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2011, 10:13:09 PM »
You supply the good drugs and i will stay awake for 24 hours on pit exit, prefer Truckers choice 'NO DOZE', thanks, Colin.
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Re: Winton short lap times
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 05:51:06 PM »
Alister, each time I hear that story the engine gets smaller!! Do you have a photo of this wonder car to share? :)



There you go Jim.  Some photo's and a few bits about the car:

http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=8100.0
Alister
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Currently 1973 GTV 2000, a couple of Mercs,  a '14 Beetle (yes, seriously......), 2020 911 C2S (manual!)
Gone......far to many to list