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festy

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Alfetta rear giubos
« on: March 19, 2023, 04:53:44 PM »
My '79 GTV has an early '76 style tailshaft, and I've been slowly collecting the parts needed to fit the correct type.
I thought I had everything I needed - larger clutch input shaft flange, three new giubos, new center support bearing and spherical bush, and the tailshaft itself.
While fitting the new rear giubo to the shaft I found that the old one that came fitted to the new (to me) shaft had a captive spherical bearing, but the new giubo has a 22mm diameter hole, expecting the spherical bearing to be attached to the back of the tailshaft.
And these two giubos have the same part number on them  ???

From what I can tell, in ~82 the tailshaft was revised a bit and instead of a 14mm pin on the rear, it had a 12mm pin with a 12 ID / 22 OD spherical bearing pressed on - which would make sense in the context of the redesigned rear giubo's center bore.

So it looks like I have the wrong rear giubo. I can't return it, I've had it for years while I collected the other parts.
The correct rear giubos are considerably more expensive, and a little hard to come by, so I was wondering if its possible to use the later style so started looking for options.
1) Use a 14mm spherical bearing - I can't find one in any catalog. Standard sizing is 12 or 15mm.
2) Stick the rear half of the tailshaft in a lathe and turn the pin down to 12mm - pretty sure my lathe is way too small for that :(
3) Fit a 14x22 needle roller bearing - bad things would happen if alignment wasn't perfect
4) Machine up a 22mm bronze ball, press onto the shaft and see how long it lasts
5) just assemble without any rear locating bearing #yolo  :o
6) Find somewhere that has stock of the correct giubo, hand over ~$350 and hope I'm sent the correct type

While researching all this, I came across this post where LukeC mentions that the later style giubos can be used for earlier cars so that sounds promising, but was wondering what's actually involved?

festy

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Re: Alfetta rear giubos
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2023, 07:47:47 PM »
I should have known this would happen...
After a week of head scratching and staring blankly at my pile of parts, I gave up and asked the forum.
Then straight after posting I walked back out to the garage and came up with what I think is a pretty good solution.
I took a 12x22mm plain spherical bearing, and bored out its ID to 14mm. I added a 3D printed flexible seal to keep the grease in and the dirt out.

I think it should do the job just fine.

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Re: Alfetta rear giubos
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2023, 04:42:16 PM »
Not that I have much experience with 3d printed parts - other than recently receiving 3-d printed side-skirt jacking point covers for my GTA - are you confident the 3D flexi seal will be robust enough to last? Seems a high-wear item.
Now:    2002 156 GTA
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Before: 1999 156 V6 Q-auto
            2001 156 V6 (sadly cremated)

festy

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Re: Alfetta rear giubos
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2023, 10:25:36 AM »
I'm confident enough to try it and see at least ;D
It shouldn't be too high-wear. The bearing doesn't spin, it only provides alignment.
The flexible filament (TPU) has a pretty high melting temperature, and holds up well to oil/grease and abrasion.

I've also printed a new grommet for the front to replace p/n 11600.15110.08 (NLA) that sits in the nose of the front giubo behind the alignment bush.
If they don't hold up, I'm no worse off than by not fitting them at all...

poohbah

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Re: Alfetta rear giubos
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2023, 11:45:15 AM »
Hopefully a neat and cheap solution.

Where did you get it printed?

My jacking point covers had to come from the Czech Republic, so shipping cost more than the actual items (which were very reasonably priced). They also need sanding (very rough finish), priming and painting before I can use them. They are currently just packed away as replacement parts in the event I lose or break the originals.
Now:    2002 156 GTA
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Before: 1999 156 V6 Q-auto
            2001 156 V6 (sadly cremated)

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Re: Alfetta rear giubos
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2023, 11:56:33 AM »
I printed them myself.
The flexible TPU filament is about twice the price of regular PLA, but even so they still cost less than a dollar each to print.

poohbah

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Re: Alfetta rear giubos
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2023, 11:58:23 AM »
Cool - sounds like you could do a handy sideline in printed parts.  Especially all those crappy little plastic bits that are now impossible to find for Alfettas, like inner door latch surrounds.
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Re: Alfetta rear giubos
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2023, 01:35:19 PM »
...like inner door latch surrounds.
They were one of the first parts I tried to print, but the little hook tabs on the back kept snapping off as soon as I'd try to fit them :(
Maybe I got the dimensions wrong, or maybe they just need to be printed in a stronger type of plastic...
But some other hard to find bits like the little sliding headlight adjustment blocks were really easy to make, I've had them in for a few years now and my headlights are still pointing in the right direction :D

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Re: Alfetta rear giubos
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2023, 01:47:35 PM »
You have just described exactly my passenger side door latch surround... Has one remaining hook stub.
Now:    2002 156 GTA
            1981 GTV
Before: 1999 156 V6 Q-auto
            2001 156 V6 (sadly cremated)