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Colin Edwards

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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2021, 11:44:28 AM »
Probably less expensive and certainly easier to install would be shift lights - something along the lines of below.  An incompatible or poorly installed rev limiter can cause no end of dramas!

https://ecliptech.com.au/shift-p2/

Factory tachos can also drift out of calibration as they age.  Given your 156 is now unroadworthy, maybe you could get it on your trailer and drop into your local Auto Elec to have the tacho accuracy checked. 
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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2021, 12:02:51 PM »
After a few events at the same track you would know the shifting points, so you can just upshift earlier. Otherwise a shift light would do. I'm sure you can hit a limiter a couple of times to tweak the tacho/limiter. TS is not that fragile.

I'm also curious what's different about VIC and NSW track which makes them destroy engines whereas mine works just fine here in QLD. Or maybe I'm just lucky or Penrite Racing oils are really good.

Either way, a TS engine costs about as a pair of cheaper tires.

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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2021, 12:41:14 PM »
After a few events at the same track you would know the shifting points, so you can just upshift earlier. Otherwise a shift light would do. I'm sure you can hit a limiter a couple of times to tweak the tacho/limiter. TS is not that fragile.

I'm also curious what's different about VIC and NSW track which makes them destroy engines whereas mine works just fine here in QLD. Or maybe I'm just lucky or Penrite Racing oils are really good.

Either way, a TS engine costs about as a pair of cheaper tires.

As Al mentioned a TS engine is $250? Didnt realise they were that cheap. If you bought a second hand engine, what  would you do to it? I am guessing:
Head gasket, studs and clean the heads
Timing belt, pulleys, water pump
Spark plugs, coils
Do you muck around with new valves?
What about pistons?

Or just chuck it in, change oil and use it until it blows up again?
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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2021, 12:47:47 PM »
Probably less expensive and certainly easier to install would be shift lights - something along the lines of below.  An incompatible or poorly installed rev limiter can cause no end of dramas!

https://ecliptech.com.au/shift-p2/

Factory tachos can also drift out of calibration as they age.  Given your 156 is now unroadworthy, maybe you could get it on your trailer and drop into your local Auto Elec to have the tacho accuracy checked.

Thats cool. Will go on the to buy list.
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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2021, 06:37:04 PM »
Yes those shift lights are cool, make a very nice birthday present I think!
Re. TS second hand engine costs, I got prices ranging from $1200 to $250 (installation costs of course on top of that).
For $1200 you might buy an engine that's already been removed from a low klm car, known to a Alfa specialist with a documented service history and (maybe) a couple of months warranty. For a $250 engine you need to know what you are doing! Tip: don't remove it from a car with no body damage chances are it's broken a cam belt!
Just wanted to qualify what I said in my previous post!
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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2021, 12:58:20 PM »
Starting to look like a race car.
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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2021, 12:59:32 PM »
Sticker game strong. Tow bar needs to come off but the screw holding the heat shield next to the exhaust won't come off so will leave it for the mechanics.
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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2021, 01:48:59 PM »
Just as a side note, I have noticed how much it is easier to work on cars with higher quality youtube videos compared to even 10 years ago. Working off forums with no pictures and videos was hard. No idea how you guys used to do it pre 90s. Magazines had articles but it wasn't a very dynamic process where you could ask questions. Even buying tools is so much easier now with ebay or Bunnings stocking kinchrome stuff etc.
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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2021, 03:17:17 PM »
Starting to look like a race car.

Nice - I still have a set of rims like that and same rotors. Also my 156 is same colour, albeit it's all sunburnt now.

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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #69 on: September 01, 2021, 05:21:41 PM »
Just as a side note, I have noticed how much it is easier to work on cars with higher quality youtube videos compared to even 10 years ago. Working off forums with no pictures and videos was hard. No idea how you guys used to do it pre 90s. Magazines had articles but it wasn't a very dynamic process where you could ask questions. Even buying tools is so much easier now with ebay or Bunnings stocking kinchrome stuff etc.

Dude, we were smarter :)

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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #70 on: September 01, 2021, 05:54:24 PM »
Dude, we were smarter :)

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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2021, 01:35:09 PM »
Do people keep the power windows switches in race cars? Do you rewire it and put a main switch somewhere near the gearbox or central console? Or do you just get rid of them because and engine kill switch would cut the power anyway? In this case do you need one of those little emergency break glass hammers? Theoretically the glass should be replaced with lexan/plastic?
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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2021, 03:17:24 PM »
I've seen both options - keeping the buttons in place, as it's easier. Or being moved to center console.

I don't think there's a need to break glass ever on a circuit track. But I'd think a fire extinguisher would do the trick.

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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2021, 03:27:41 PM »
No turning back now. Hopefully the car still starts ;D
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Re: Twin Spark Cup & Enduro 156 Project
« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2021, 03:30:06 PM »
Trial fitted the L Brackets and Momo XL Daytona and it fits but but get sliding rails if you planning to not cut out the factory rails. It's way too close to the steering wheel for me and I wouldn't mind some more head room.
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