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MMXX

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2021, 07:16:42 PM »
**UPDATE**

So I contacted the AOMC and they found records of my chassis number and engine number being previously registered in Victoria back in the 70s and 80s. I also contacted the Alfa Romeo museum in Italy that have original records of the car being imported into Australia in 1973.

The main issue is the compliance plate has the chassis number off by one digit which is why VicRoads deem it 'suspicious', even though it's only ever been registered in Victoria with the chassis number on the firewall.

Since they've referred it to the police, trying to get them to understand this is proving difficult.

My understanding is Alfa Romeo Australia back in the day put the wrong compliance plate on the wrong car.

I'm hoping this comes to an end soon..


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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2021, 07:07:41 PM »
sounds as though it would be easier to 'lose' the compliance plate.....   It's the only part that doesn't match the records and the body and engine numbers. ;)
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'76 GT - Track entry
'89 75TS - Saved
'76 Alfetta - Sacrificed
'83 GTV6 - NT bullet
'67 Duetto - Fun
'66 Super - Endearing
'92 164 - Stunning
'85 90 - Odd
'04 GT 3.2 Rosso/Tan - Glorious
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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2021, 11:24:06 PM »
In the RAAF we call that "Lateral thinking".  ;)
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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2021, 12:26:15 PM »
Another update:

Because VicRoads referred the matter to police and deemed it a suspicious vehicle, Victoria police, despite me forwarding through documents proving that my engine number and chassis number match from the records I provided, still want to take the car to their forensic team which can take up to 4-6months to verify the identity of the car.

The detective that I have been speaking to says that my engine number has been registered in 2014 to a 1973 Red Alfa Romeo 2000GTV but with a completely different chassis number than mine.

My fear is now if I try to register this car on club plates, VicRoads have record of it being 'suspicious' so they won't allow it to be registered.

I feel a bit defeated after all of this and thinking that the car may be gone for 4-6months, I'd rather just sell it.

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2021, 06:49:20 PM »
Hmmmmm,

I know it sounds quite deflating, but 6 months isn't that long, particularly if you were considering putting it on club plates.  You wouldn't drive much in that 6 months anyway.

I expect the cops won't tell you, but it would be interesting to get the chassis # they say has that engine # linked to it to see if the chassis # even follows an Alfa format.
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'79 GTV - Loyal 1st love
'76 GT - Track entry
'89 75TS - Saved
'76 Alfetta - Sacrificed
'83 GTV6 - NT bullet
'67 Duetto - Fun
'66 Super - Endearing
'92 164 - Stunning
'85 90 - Odd
'04 GT 3.2 Rosso/Tan - Glorious
'02 156 V6 Auto Rosso/Tan - Useful daily

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2021, 06:29:10 AM »
Would Not be happy if a new Police Chassis number had to be stamped on the car.
Or a police engine number on the engine block.
I have a 2 litre engine here with a police engine number.
Takes away the Authenticity of the car,,in my opinion.
I have seen both many times over the years.
I know of a 105 2 litre with 1912 stamped on the Compliance plate.
On this plate,,chassis number is the same as the firewall,but with 1912 year model.

As mentioned before by me,,by my data base,,this car was written off= destroyed.
If its a good to excellent car,I would like it as original as possible.
If its an average or below average car,,just get it on the road and enjoy it.
All depends how much you paid for it.

Why is it so easy to put a car on Club plates,but hard to put back on full rego.
I know many cars on club plates that will find it Very hard to go back to full legal rego here in NSW.

If this car can not be put on Full Rego,,i will Give you $5000 for the shell and turn it into a SC or NC race car cause that all it is worth to me.
Just an Opinion.

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2021, 02:28:24 PM »
Hmmmmm,

I know it sounds quite deflating, but 6 months isn't that long, particularly if you were considering putting it on club plates.  You wouldn't drive much in that 6 months anyway.

I expect the cops won't tell you, but it would be interesting to get the chassis # they say has that engine # linked to it to see if the chassis # even follows an Alfa format.

I asked them but yeah as per privacy, they won't tell me the chassis number.

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2021, 02:32:05 PM »
Would Not be happy if a new Police Chassis number had to be stamped on the car.
Or a police engine number on the engine block.
I have a 2 litre engine here with a police engine number.
Takes away the Authenticity of the car,,in my opinion.
I have seen both many times over the years.
I know of a 105 2 litre with 1912 stamped on the Compliance plate.
On this plate,,chassis number is the same as the firewall,but with 1912 year model.

As mentioned before by me,,by my data base,,this car was written off= destroyed.
If its a good to excellent car,I would like it as original as possible.
If its an average or below average car,,just get it on the road and enjoy it.
All depends how much you paid for it.

Why is it so easy to put a car on Club plates,but hard to put back on full rego.
I know many cars on club plates that will find it Very hard to go back to full legal rego here in NSW.

If this car can not be put on Full Rego,,i will Give you $5000 for the shell and turn it into a SC or NC race car cause that all it is worth to me.
Just an Opinion.

What's the story with police number on your engine? They couldn't find it? The chassis number on my compliance plate is the one that was destroyed. The chassis number on the actual car was registered in Victoria in the 70s and the Alfa Romeo museum in Italy found the original records and my chassis number and engine number match.

Have you any records of engine# AR0051269427?

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2021, 07:50:28 AM »
You may want to pay the 70 Euro to get the Certificate of Origin from Alfa Romeo Historico, it will tell you the origin of the body Serial # you have and also if the engine and body number match that which originally came off the line, plus the delivery location (city, state and country, if not the actually dealer name).  At least then youll know if it was original Australian delivery and if the engine has been changed.  may help you complete the puzzle?

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2021, 01:22:39 PM »
You may want to pay the 70 Euro to get the Certificate of Origin from Alfa Romeo Historico, it will tell you the origin of the body Serial # you have and also if the engine and body number match that which originally came off the line, plus the delivery location (city, state and country, if not the actually dealer name).  At least then youll know if it was original Australian delivery and if the engine has been changed.  may help you complete the puzzle?

And I did exactly that and everything matches apart from the paint colour. My car is red but it was originally white as it left the factory. The chassis number and engine number on my car match according to their records and it was delivered in 1973 to a dealer in Sydney.

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2021, 08:04:18 PM »
That data should help immensely (and you are lucky to still have the original engine fitted  :D).
VicPol should be able to chase up the original rego record from NSW (if that's where it was first registered).
Good luck!
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'79 GTV - Loyal 1st love
'76 GT - Track entry
'89 75TS - Saved
'76 Alfetta - Sacrificed
'83 GTV6 - NT bullet
'67 Duetto - Fun
'66 Super - Endearing
'92 164 - Stunning
'85 90 - Odd
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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2021, 10:05:59 AM »
This has been an interesting read - any update on progress?

Getting the Alfa museum production data is a must but it reads like knowing the correct VIN on this car is the key point.

Good luck!

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2021, 05:47:04 PM »
So I do have an update for everyone. What I decided to do in the end was this: I sent the car back to NSW to get it registered there as I am still a resident of NSW.  I made this decision on my gut feeling that after sourcing the documents that proved the chassis number and engine number in my car matched and were original, giving the car to the police to take it away for forensic analysis for up to 6 months just didn't sit well, primarily because they couldn't guarantee how the car would be treated (nor would they really care) and they would not take into consideration the documents that I had provided as well.

So I then sent the car back to the mechanic from whom I bought it from as he assisted me with this whole process. To get it registered, he referred the car to Transport NSW and a vehicle identity specialist phoned me up a few days later and asked me about the car and I explained to him the issue with the compliance plate having the last digit different to the chassis firewall. He asked me to send him all the documentation that I had about the car which I did.

A few days later, he phoned me up saying he saw no issue and suggested that the compliance plate not be removed as it would detract from the originality of the car. His view was that someone likely made a mistake back in 1973 when putting the compliance plate on the car.

The whole registration process took about 5 days.

Before going down this path, I checked with the detective in Victoria that I was liaising with about my plan and that if the car is passed in NSW, what does that mean when I want to register the car in Victoria. His answer: 'Check with VicRoads, I don't know'. I called VicRoads and the person told me 'If it's a police matter, we can't do much'. I pressed him for an answer about the car being on full registration in NSW and then transferring it over to Victoria if it could be registered given that it was flagged on the VicRoads system, and he said 'If it's registered interstate, that's good enough for us'.

So after months and months of bureaucratic paperwork, research, phone calls and frustration, I finally have a fully registered Alfa Romeo 2000GTV  :D.



Looking forward to bringing her out to a meet!


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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2021, 06:54:11 PM »
Hesķs, what a massive palavasaga - well done for not killing somebody :)

If ever there was an example why some things in Aust. should just be a Commonwealth/Federal responsibility instead of multiple state entities with different rules/laws (cares), itís this.


Iíd be looking forward to my first beer
(Itís already open though)

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Re: Trying to register a 2000GTV
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2021, 01:36:53 AM »
I admire your perseverance and the beautiful motor involved - Well done! Your "Glow" must be the same colour as the car!