Water pump bolts have snapped on my 916 v6

Started by ALFAAA, June 11, 2018, 03:35:32 PM

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ALFAAA

Hi all,
Just removed my cam belt from my spider 3.2 24v v6,
When removing the water pump 2 of the corroded bolts broke. :(

The uppers bolts are the ones that broke.There is no stud for me to weld a nut  . The bolt remainder must be harden as my drill bits cannot drill through them.

Any advise wood be good
 
Current :2004 916 V6 3.2 Spider (baby)
             :Alfetta GTV6 1984 3.2 24v
             :2024 Tonale Veloce SUV

Past       :Alfetta GTV  1977
             :147 Selespeed 2002

bonno

Hi ALFAAA
If part of the bolt protrudes then you can use a tool such as the Irwin Bolt grip or if the bolt has completely sheared off at the base were it enters the block then you can try extractor drill/easy out bit. Just lubricate and soak the area with WD40 for a day or so to free up the rust.
PS : Also I have had considerable success with a centre punch and hammer, just work in anti clockwise direction.
Partially protruded bolt
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IRWIN-BOLT-GRIP-5-Piece-Bolt-Screw-Extractor-Set-Remove-Rusted-Rounded-off-Bolt-/332395106146?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10#viTabs_0
Extractor drill/easy out bit
https://www.ebay.com/itm/4pc-Broken-Bolt-Damage-Screw-Remover-Extractor-Drill-Bits-Easy-Out-Stud-Reverse-/253550702439

ALFAAA

#2
Thanks bono for your reply.
I cannot drill out what left of the bolt and they are corrode seized in. I will go to Bunnings tomorrow and get thoughs special carbide drill bits.

Current :2004 916 V6 3.2 Spider (baby)
             :Alfetta GTV6 1984 3.2 24v
             :2024 Tonale Veloce SUV

Past       :Alfetta GTV  1977
             :147 Selespeed 2002

bazzbazz

In this case I would call in a Specialist Mobile Bolt Removal Specialist. It's all they do, and they have already worked out how to get bolts like this, in such cockamamie positions, out many a time already, and with the least amount of damage.

Just my two cents.
On The Spot Alfa
Mobile Alfa Romeo Diagnostic/Repair/Maintenance/Service
Brisbane/Gold Coast
0405721613
onthespotalfa@iinet.net.au

johnl

Quote from: ALFAAA on June 11, 2018, 04:39:36 PM
I cannot drill out what left of the bolt and they are corrode seized in. I will go to Bunnings tomorrow and get thoughs special carbide drill bits.

An  engineers' tool supply specialist would should be a far better bet for extra hard drill bits than Bunnings.

If you have no luck at such an establishment, then Bazz' two cents are likely worth a lot more than their face value. Have you ever heard the word 'disintegrater' in relation to problems like yours? It's the sort of equipment a specialist should / might have at their disposal.

Regards,
John.

Citroënbender

#5
The cost of left handed drill bits will rapidly exceed the fee for a specialist to extract the stumps on site.

If you're still keen to DIY use the old water pump remounted, as a guide for centering the drill bits.  At least you can lower the motor down sufficiently to access the stumps.

ALFAAA

#6
Good Advice bazzbazz and johnl,
Its a very tight area.
Does anyone recommend an Mobile Bolt Removal Specialist in the SouthEastern area . Prefer Narre Warren /Hampton park area
Current :2004 916 V6 3.2 Spider (baby)
             :Alfetta GTV6 1984 3.2 24v
             :2024 Tonale Veloce SUV

Past       :Alfetta GTV  1977
             :147 Selespeed 2002

ALFAAA

#7
Here is a photo of the broken bolts.The specialist will need an 90 degree drill due to the tight area.
Current :2004 916 V6 3.2 Spider (baby)
             :Alfetta GTV6 1984 3.2 24v
             :2024 Tonale Veloce SUV

Past       :Alfetta GTV  1977
             :147 Selespeed 2002

Citroënbender

What made the little divots around the one on the right?

bazzbazz

On The Spot Alfa
Mobile Alfa Romeo Diagnostic/Repair/Maintenance/Service
Brisbane/Gold Coast
0405721613
onthespotalfa@iinet.net.au

Citroënbender

BTW you can buy M10×1,5mm female threaded drill chucks to fit common 4" grinders. 

johnl

Quote from: Citroënbender on June 11, 2018, 11:25:03 PM
BTW you can buy M10×1,5mm female threaded drill chucks to fit common 4" grinders.

Four inch angle grinders run at a pretty high rpm, probably just a tad on the fast side (to greatly understate it) for drilling into a hardened steel bolt. I foresee a small pile of overheated and blunted drill bits, at the least.

Regards,
John.