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amichie

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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2018, 09:31:47 PM »
Have you got the original Marelli distributor with two pick ups?

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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2018, 10:56:54 PM »
Unleaded came in 1987

That would make sense.. my Sprint QV was on the cusp.

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That said, it had both the long "vapour trap" in the rear shown in the OP's diagram and a metal canister in the engine bay.
I removed it all and enjoyed the crackle on overrun and the ticking exhaust as it cooled down.. happy days.

God i loved that car.
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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2018, 11:18:03 PM »
Amichie,  I do have the twin pickup marelli installed atm.  It runs beautifully staticly, but is insanely sluggish off the mark. Seems just ok when you get onto the main jets.
Thinking about it,  Im gonna start by triple checking my cambelt timing. I built the engine on a stand and double checked it, and cant see why it would be out,  but ill start with that.  A tooth out could explain lack of any torque.
I also have a single pickup marelli,  but it needs a new vac advance.  My lh carb has a vac advance port. 
Was the twin pickup marelli just an australian and swiss emmissions thing? 
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1990 Alfa 33 cloverleaf 1.7 white
2001 Alfa 156 2.0 red
2003 Alfa 147 2.0 red
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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2018, 10:26:32 AM »
Hi there. All the Marellis suffer from wear in the mechanical advance mechanism.
Easy enough to check with a timing light. Just rev it up and see if it gets anywhere near the last timing mark.
Yours should have a TDC centre mark, an idle mark and a high rpm mark. Some also have a 2000rpm mark.

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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2018, 06:01:45 PM »
Yes,  the internal mechanical advance isnt quite getting to the 4000rpm mark,  but is close.  Was one of the reasons i was looking at 123 distributor. I know i can get it serviced. I have a timing light where i can check actual advance,  i didnt think it was far enough out to cause such poor torque but I am rechecking everything now. Ive just checked all my timing marks.  Looks good to me.  But im getting a second opinion in the morning. The right hand cam is half the width of the mark behind but i dont belive its a whole tooth out.  Sometimes all three line up perfectly, hard to get it to sit at tdc to check alone as the rh Cam is loaded, and you can get a fair amount of movement from flywheel with very little movement on cams. Im pretty sure i tried a tooth either side when i was putting it on. And im always moving in correct rotation trying to stop right at tdc. 
Thanks for all the suggestions,  i will look into all of it.
1983 alfasud TI 1.5 silver
1990 Alfa 33 cloverleaf 1.7 white
2001 Alfa 156 2.0 red
2003 Alfa 147 2.0 red
2001 Alfa 156 2.5 Monza silver (now)
1983 Alfa Sud TI 1.5 red (now)
1974 berlina 2000 white (1 too many)

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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2018, 12:45:27 PM »
Just reading through the ALfa manual. The second pick up gives 4 degrees advance and is only activated when the engine is cold.

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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2018, 02:05:23 PM »
Oh thanks, thats the opposite of what I thought it did. Ill try and read up, is it just in the owners manual?
1983 alfasud TI 1.5 silver
1990 Alfa 33 cloverleaf 1.7 white
2001 Alfa 156 2.0 red
2003 Alfa 147 2.0 red
2001 Alfa 156 2.5 Monza silver (now)
1983 Alfa Sud TI 1.5 red (now)
1974 berlina 2000 white (1 too many)

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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2018, 09:52:39 PM »
With the help of dad,  we found what was causing my lack of power. Checked timing,  compression, all good.  Was loosing cyl 1 continuously. Checked spark,  no1 had spark.  Plug was black but not wet.  So we started checking everything fuel related. We found I had the fuel line to the right hand carb entering at the return fuel nipple which is restricted. I had put it together copying off the pics in the manual, thinking both nipples were the same. Made all the difference, So im happy now! Not quite getting full advance at 4000rpm but is only a few degrees off. It will do for now.  Maybe a 123 distributpr down the track 😃
1983 alfasud TI 1.5 silver
1990 Alfa 33 cloverleaf 1.7 white
2001 Alfa 156 2.0 red
2003 Alfa 147 2.0 red
2001 Alfa 156 2.5 Monza silver (now)
1983 Alfa Sud TI 1.5 red (now)
1974 berlina 2000 white (1 too many)

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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2018, 09:20:18 AM »
got my roadworthy! 1st attempt too :D Whoohoo just waiting on club permit paperwork. Thanks for all the guidance on the forum fellas. 
1983 alfasud TI 1.5 silver
1990 Alfa 33 cloverleaf 1.7 white
2001 Alfa 156 2.0 red
2003 Alfa 147 2.0 red
2001 Alfa 156 2.5 Monza silver (now)
1983 Alfa Sud TI 1.5 red (now)
1974 berlina 2000 white (1 too many)

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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2018, 05:24:28 PM »
Congratulations! Great to have another Sud back on the road!


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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2018, 09:54:54 PM »
Thanks Bourney!  Have to get these suds lined up at spettacolo one day.
Used 4 days of my club permit already. Trying to aim headlights and get rid of the odd rattle. Just noticed a good one tonignt,  with keys out,  lights off,  put my foot down on brake pedal,  parker lights come on and binnacle back lighting 😳 i dont think that was an original included feature.  Back to the wiring diagram.
1983 alfasud TI 1.5 silver
1990 Alfa 33 cloverleaf 1.7 white
2001 Alfa 156 2.0 red
2003 Alfa 147 2.0 red
2001 Alfa 156 2.5 Monza silver (now)
1983 Alfa Sud TI 1.5 red (now)
1974 berlina 2000 white (1 too many)

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Re: My new project, 83 Sud ti
« Reply #56 on: November 04, 2018, 05:42:55 PM »
Does anyone know if there was different jetting was on the 105hp? Just curious ;)
1983 alfasud TI 1.5 silver
1990 Alfa 33 cloverleaf 1.7 white
2001 Alfa 156 2.0 red
2003 Alfa 147 2.0 red
2001 Alfa 156 2.5 Monza silver (now)
1983 Alfa Sud TI 1.5 red (now)
1974 berlina 2000 white (1 too many)