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Racing => Historic Group S Racing => Topic started by: Scott Farquharson on July 21, 2006, 10:13:22 AM

Poll
Question: If you are considering racing in Group S where are you up to?  **POLL**
Option 1: I have a car and have started preparing it to race. votes: 6
Option 2: I have decided to race Group S but and am actively looking for a car. votes: 0
Option 3: I have decided to race Group S but won't start looking for a car until next year. votes: 1
Option 4: I have decided to race Group S but I am not sure when. votes: 1
Option 5: I would like to race Group S but don't have the budget at the moment. votes: 2
Title: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Scott Farquharson on July 21, 2006, 10:13:22 AM
I thought we would run a poll to see how many people we have interested and where they are up to in their preparations.
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: branko.gt on July 21, 2006, 01:31:08 PM
Since the vote does not reveal identity I am also replying to the thread.
I have 1750 that is in final phase of body work.
I am also collecting the right bits for the engine and other required (and allowed) go fast parts.
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Paul Byrne on November 15, 2006, 01:37:46 PM
I'm really feeling the pressure now, I've got the car and it's logbooked Group S. I love doing Targa and other tarmac events but it's too long beteween drinks! I will gave to give it serious thought, but probably after Targa Tas in April 07 (need to have the car in one piece). I'll come over to PI in March and watch those who have taken the plunge. If anyone wants a hand crewing or whatever for the event please let me know : paul.byrne6@bigpond.com
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Scott Farquharson on November 15, 2006, 01:40:59 PM
Adding a couple of the major historic events to the mix would fill out the year quite nicely I think.
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Mike on February 25, 2007, 09:42:43 PM
Hi

I bought Colins 1979 gtv.  I've not had enough time to look into the costs / entry requirements etc of groups S yet, but I am pretty keen...if its too full on I'll stick to hill climbs etc.

Anyway, some really helpfull information on these threads so thanks!

I still need to install a cage as a starting point
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Scott Farquharson on February 26, 2007, 01:31:02 PM
Hi Mike,

Good get - great car and probably doesn't need to much to be on the track in Grp S.  All the Grp S stuff is in the Grp S sections of the web site.  Call Mark at the factory to talk about roll cages 9720 6228.

Give me a call on 0400 094007 to discuss the rest.

Scott
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Beatle on March 14, 2007, 08:59:30 PM
Guys,

What is the actual cutoff for eligibility of the Alfetta coupe ?  Late '81 models seem to have the earlier interior and dash, but the later plastic bumpers, and I assume the later style bodywork/panels.

I ask, because once you pull the bumpers off, it would be hard to tell. 
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Scott Farquharson on March 15, 2007, 11:02:16 AM
They need to be metal bumper cars - the plastic cars have a number of differences that make them hard to covert such as the panel behind the front bumper, the black window surrounds, the differences in rear qtr panel where the "GTV" goes ect.  Given metal bumper cars are still cheap it would be easier just to buy one.  A beaut example went on ebay in the last week or so for $455!!!.  It was a complete, registerable car - unbelievable.
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Beatle on March 15, 2007, 06:26:39 PM
I must be missing something with my search parameters !  I check Ebay at least every 3 days or so and seem to miss a lot of Alfas !!!!
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Scott Farquharson on March 16, 2007, 12:51:43 PM
Here it is - bargain of the last few weeks.....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200083895863&rd=1&rd=1

I was on the way home to bid but got there too late......
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: AndrewT on May 28, 2007, 07:28:32 PM
Quote from: Scott Farquharson on March 15, 2007, 11:02:16 AM
They need to be metal bumper cars - the plastic cars have a number of differences that make them hard to covert such as the panel behind the front bumper, the black window surrounds, the differences in rear qtr panel where the "GTV" goes ect.  Given metal bumper cars are still cheap it would be easier just to buy one.  A beaut example went on ebay in the last week or so for $455!!!.  It was a complete, registerable car - unbelievable.
Scott,
Can you please clarify the situation regards the 'steel' vs 'plastic' bumpered Alfetta GTV.  As far as I know, the 1977-81 Alfetta 2000 GTV, the 1981-83 Alfetta GTV 2.0 and 1983-86 Alfetta GTV 2.0 all have the same chassis code 116.370.  ???
Although I appreciate that early Alfetta GTV are available, I already have a 1984 model which I have been using for sprint events here in Queensland and which has received much attention in the process!
Notwithstanding the panel-work issues you have identified, in terms of suspension, engine and transmission the cars are close to identical.  Is the Alfetta 2000 GTV considered a run-on model because of appearance?  As a counter example, CAMS includes the Datsun 260Z 2+2 as a run-on model to the 240Z, and the differences between them are substantially more than between the Alfettas.

Regards,
Andrew Tewes
Brisbane
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Beatle on May 28, 2007, 07:52:46 PM
Chassis code yes....body code no.

According to David Wright-Alfa Romeo Down Under PtII - the body codes (for Oz) are:
77-81    116.37   2000GTV
81-83    116.60   GTV 2.0 (Nuova)
83-on    113.18   GTV 2.0 ED (Nuova)

The 1.8GT is chassis code 116.11 and has the same body designation.  This may be a misprint though as one would think the 'cassis' are identical, and the chassis code appears to be missing a digit..
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Beatle on May 28, 2007, 08:48:07 PM
While all the correspondence to date relates to Alfettas I'm wondering what the go is if one chooses a 105 coupe for GpS ?

My main query is do you need to stick rigidly to the chassis/engine/interior combo applicable to the specific year model ?  For example, could you run a Giulia Sprint or a Jnr with a 2L engine and say 1750 dash/interior ?
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Scott Farquharson on May 29, 2007, 08:19:22 AM
Yes, you wouldn't have a problem.
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Beatle on May 30, 2007, 11:34:14 PM
OK, what about interior and trim.  I've looked at the CAMS manual but its not speciific.  I assume a GpS car requires:

-Headlining,

-Rear and passenger seating

-Console if originally fitted

-Operating gauges  ?

What about door rubbers, kick panels, exterior trim (eg: window surrounds on a 116) ?

Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Scott Farquharson on May 31, 2007, 12:16:45 PM
Yes, needs all the trim, electrics and gauges should be working, exterior trim needs to be there too, except no bumpers is ok
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: alfagtv58 on May 31, 2007, 12:42:50 PM
What about the centre console?  I imagine that we could argue that this falls under the 'floor covering' which can be removed...
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Beatle on May 31, 2007, 05:32:57 PM
It's quite surprising the number of differences in allowances between GpSc sportscars and GpNc touring cars.
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Scott Farquharson on June 01, 2007, 10:07:59 AM
Technically, I would think the centre console should be in but I guess you could argue one way or the other, at the end of the day though no one will really care anyway - if most of the trim is in place it should be ok.

Yes, there are quite a number of difference between Grp S and Grp N for categories that basically the same in nature and intent.
Title: Re: Who wants to go Group S Racing?
Post by: Scott Farquharson on June 25, 2008, 02:37:08 PM
Would love to hear an update from those with cars under construction, on the drawing board or just those giving it some thought...