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Technical => 116 Series (Alfetta Sedan/GT/GTV & Giulietta Sedan) => Topic started by: sportiva on June 10, 2019, 08:09:21 PM

Title: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 10, 2019, 08:09:21 PM
Hello all
I have sad news my GTV6 was hit by a bus today it's not terminal but the car will need a new left side rear panel. Does anyone have a donor car with this panel intact? patch panels are no longer available so I will need a panel from a parts car to weld in and bring my car back to looking respectable again.
My GTV6 is a daily driver and exposed to risk because I drive it everywhere so the law of averages says it had to happen eventually. 
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: CitroŽnbender on June 10, 2019, 08:26:03 PM
My mother had an English saying about making sure you had clean underwear on, in case you got hit by a bus. Hopefully you had followed similar practice.

The panel looks a straightforward repair unless there are multiple iffy repairs preexisting.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 10, 2019, 09:13:42 PM
Yes CB I had fresh sox and undies. It should be a straight forward fix as the sill has not been damaged. The repairer { could be me because of insurance issues }will need to reshape the inner guard then weld in the replacement panel. A web search found a few quarter panels for sale overseas for thousands of dollars plus postage so as a last resort for me. A panel from a donor car will probably be the best economically.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: CitroŽnbender on June 10, 2019, 09:20:47 PM
Truly, I don't see a need to replace that. Worst case you might cut off the lower section for access, then re-weld it after straightening everything. Otherwise you're disturbing a metre or two of skin panel seams for a dent largely away from the edges.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: John A Pucak on June 10, 2019, 09:32:47 PM
Hi Sportiva,
I agree with Citroenbender that this an easy fix.
I had a similar accident in the same spot, however my B pillar was pushed in and my sill was damaged.
I thought I had to replace the entire Quarter panel and B pillar and only replaced a small section of panel and the rest was pulled out by a panel beater who knew his stuff.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: Mick A on June 10, 2019, 11:22:55 PM
Why is this still your daily driver?

Everyone knows how GTV6 prices are on the rise.

I really do suggest you save the car for weekends, and buy a cheap 156 to get around in during the week.

The GTV6 will thank you for it!  :)
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: aggie57 on June 11, 2019, 03:43:10 AM
Why is this still your daily driver?

Everyone knows how GTV6 prices are on the rise.

I really do suggest you save the car for weekends, and buy a cheap 156 to get around in during the week.

The GTV6 will thank you for it!  :)

This!
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: Mick A on June 11, 2019, 06:36:48 AM
Sorry I wasnít meaning to sound like a prick, the point Iím trying to make and which Iím sure you understand is that shit happens, and like you said the car is exposed to more risk, being driven every day. With the current values and scarcity of parts, I feel a smart move is to obviously still drive these cars and enjoy them, but pick the right moments to do so. Hopefully in a few years it will begin to be like 105 series cars where parts will start being remanufactured and restorations will become easier and more affordable.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: CitroŽnbender on June 11, 2019, 08:11:25 AM
I honestly doubt it will fall that way.

My ďtemplateĒ for comment is the Pug 205GTI of which we (Australians) were responsible for destroying or scrapping many easy fixers - like the GTV - values were low longer than was appropriate given the average structural condition of an Australian-owned car (usually very low on the rust factor).

We exhausted the pool of what should have been restored or conserved, as paddock rally thrashers, amateur racers and wannabe transplant recipients that never got across the line. I see a number of parallels with the GTVs.

That said, the Hunter has a few decent people for panel work, so hopefully thereís a good, affordable fix.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: GTVeloce on June 11, 2019, 09:03:59 AM
I was daily driving my GTV until about three years ago as it was cleaned up badly on the way to work. The replacement GTV gets driven regularly but I can't claim it's a daily anymore - thats what the 75 is for!

I say fix it and keep driving it. As much as enjoy the 75 it doesn't give me the same joy as the GTV and I suspect a 156 would be the same. With a few select mods they are a very capable daily and that's what they were made for.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: Paul Gulliver on June 11, 2019, 09:15:50 AM
"I really do suggest you save the car for weekends"

Geez Mick that's a bit rich coming from you . You "save" your GTV for the weekends and have a look at the front of it. The back to, for that matter  , but I can't find a photo of it.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: poohbah on June 11, 2019, 11:27:04 AM
Sorry to see and hear about the bingle Sportiva, and hopefully it isn't too much for a decent panelbeater to fix.

I'm with Mick though - I daily drove my GTV for 18 months, but eventually had enough of having to choose between lights, heater and wipers on cold wet nights on the way home from work, my seeming invisibility to other traffic after dark, and people's general refusal to allow a decent gap to accommodate a 40yo brake setup.

So I bought a cheap 156 for daily duties, and give the GTV a good fang on weekends - weather permitting! :D
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: poohbah on June 11, 2019, 12:01:05 PM
If you do need a panel, there are a couple of people who regularly advertise on Gumtree who may be worth a try.

I haven't seen any Alfetta rear quarters for a while, but there is a business in Thomastown (Melbourne) which regularly seems to be breaking Alfettas (and Fiats).  There is also a guy here in Perth who is constantly selling bits and pieces from Alfettas from his home in Mount Lawley.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: carlo rossi on June 11, 2019, 03:13:04 PM
it will buff out
seriously not a tough fix
now you can get their insurance to repaint the entire car
probably needs a rotisserie  to do it right
and then re rustproof possibly repairable rightoff
Imagine a 2 pac full flowcoat paint job Im almost jealous
sportiva do you need  a lend of my vespa
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 11, 2019, 06:34:15 PM
The car will need a donor quarter panel. The damage to the panel cannot be repaired there are too many compound curves and folds only a new panel or as a last resort, many hours of complex patching will repair this quarter panel. I stitched welded a new front corner on this car  only 18 months ago so if I have too I will cut bend reshape and weld patch panels into this quarter panel and bring the car back to a point where I fell proud to drive it every fucking day
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 11, 2019, 06:50:16 PM
I stitch welded and repaired the front end after an accident that was my fault the difference this time is the damage was caused by someone else. So please forgive me for having the shits
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: rowan_bris on June 11, 2019, 06:53:42 PM
If it was someone elseís fault why donít you just claim on insurance and let your insurance company sort it out with the person at fault?  I have seen plenty of quarter panels new listed overseas. Ps I would just continue to drive it as much as you want.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 11, 2019, 06:59:30 PM
Alfa Romeos have been my daily driver for 35 years I have had suds, Alfetta's and alfa75's I have a 156 it's a FIAT is not an Alfa and it is a very ordinary car. I also have a 3.0R Subaru it is much [100BHP] faster than my GTV6 and it is boring to drive, why would I not want to drive my GTV6 on a daily basis I have owned it for 25 yrs no other person has turned a spanner on it since I have owned it. I know every nut, bolt, and wire and the reason the car is still a daily is because of my ability to keep it going. I do not mean to offend anyone It's that right now I really do have the SHITS.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: carlo rossi on June 11, 2019, 07:14:07 PM
Surely the bus is insured ?
And then its their problem
If not there was a coulple in gumtree ill find some
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 11, 2019, 07:17:05 PM
Insurance is being discussed as we write. The panels are few and far between some of the panels on line are early gt/gtv and different to gtv6   
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: carlo rossi on June 11, 2019, 08:15:41 PM
I have aguy that can fix this
Expensive thou but not your problem
Ps they backed over my vespa last week $2000 damage
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: GeeTV on June 12, 2019, 11:29:57 AM
What a pain Sportiva!!Ö Sorry to hear it!
In your search, if you come across a rear valance panel for a gtv6 please keep me in mind :-)
No hijack intended.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: carlo rossi on June 12, 2019, 03:39:07 PM
http://italiancarparts-shop.de/WebRoot/Store12/Shops/0762aba1-cfcc-4367-bae0-5e2da953efee/598A/E1EA/1E9B/4FA8/CA10/0A48/3634/A98F/IMG_5963.JPG

does this help 1400 euro plus shipping around $3000
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: CitroŽnbender on June 12, 2019, 04:09:16 PM
And it comes pre-bent, notice the top flange at the glass opening.  :P
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 12, 2019, 04:54:48 PM
Thanks, Carlo for the link. Today I have sent a video to the bus company showing both front and rear views of the incident. I will need to wait for future correspondence with their insurance company to see if they accept liability. And I need to be careful what I say here. The problem I see will be the determining the value of a 35 year old Alfa Romeo that is definitely not in the insurance industry "Red book".
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 12, 2019, 05:06:10 PM
And to add insult to injury today I checked with my rego inspector who said he will pass the car with the damage as is, the rego is due next week. I approached two employees of a well-known crash repairer across the road and asked if anyone there could reshape the guard, one of the two, the smartarse said "yep I'll get a bar and push it in further" I turned my back on him and said thanks for the input.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: CitroŽnbender on June 12, 2019, 05:15:05 PM
Theyíre out there. Is Dale Murphy too far (Heatherbrae)?

Honestly, shipping a large ďNOSĒ panel is fraught. Most freighters officially exclude such items from their list of insurance-acceptable cargo (but will take it no liability). And you want the fastest freight, itís the least time for gorillas to go ape with it.

What is access like from inside the car?
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 12, 2019, 05:18:32 PM
Hi CB
Heatherbrae is not far away at all, please tell me more.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: CitroŽnbender on June 12, 2019, 05:35:34 PM
I think he still just trades as Dale Murphy.

See if heís inclined to offer his two bobís worth if you can drop by after shift. Heís an old schooler and would probably get it mostly out with wiggle wire, spotter, all that. One of the few blokes who is not afraid to repair a steel petrol tank with appropriate precautions. Otherwise his mate Grahame around the corner (Extreme Blasting) might have suggestions on who to ask.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 12, 2019, 05:37:21 PM
Thanks again CB, I just did a search I will definitely keep Dale Murphy on my list when I need to gather quotes.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: CitroŽnbender on June 12, 2019, 06:28:23 PM
It doesn't remove the need for dialogue with idiots, but as a soothing companion/motivator you might find the following YT channels of interest, even as silent movies:

Trev's Blog (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB8HF8Pqug-Pc7DFqX9lf_g)
Vehcor (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMgk1R0_ZbEQrEhQWRYkVIA)
Arthur Tussik (https://www.youtube.com/user/tussik01)

Edited to correct wrong tags for URL.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on June 12, 2019, 09:04:11 PM
The VW Passat quarter panel repair !!!!  What he did in an 8 min video would take me 8 days no 8 weeks
Thanks for the encouragement.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: Craig_m67 on June 21, 2019, 01:15:13 PM
You might be able to get what you need for the price of freight from here...

https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfetta-gtv6-1972-1986/679138-free-part-week.html
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: NSharpley on July 06, 2019, 04:08:43 PM
I too reckon thats a repair rather than a replace.

Remove all the trim from the inside and push out as much as you can ... then fill.

The sculpting will take some meticulous care but its not impossible.

Far easier than removing the panel and welding a new one in, let alone the challenge of finding one.

Although Monza Motors may have a car they're wrecking.

Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on July 06, 2019, 09:39:46 PM
I have a quarter panel coming from planet 105 in Melbourne  $1200 delivered for new old stock, that's better than the $3,000 + from Europe and the Americans who won't ship to Australia
I can push it out and fill it with 2 kilo's of bog or remove the damaged panel and weld in the new one.
I have the tools to remove the damaged panel and the welders and equipment plus the time to fit the new quarter panel if the bus companies insurance won't cover the cost of preparing the damage. 
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on July 21, 2019, 03:16:15 PM
Planet 105 in Melbourne supplied the panel, Jon from planet105 packaged it and sent it off it arrived with no noticeable damage at half the price one European and a 1/3 of the price of the American who would not send one to Aus. After a good clean up and a rub down with some dry paper to remove 30 years of surface rust, I applied a coat of etch primer them primer filler and a top coat of AR530. This had more gloss than the matt black original coating and highlighted the slight dings the panel had collected over the years waiting for someone like me who needed a replacement panel. In no way do I blame Planet105 for the damage to this panel that has probably been moved around and repositioned countless times over probably 30 yrs. Jon at Planet 105 was on the phone providing me with all the information I needed about who was to delivery and a when I should expect it to arrive. When it was delivered he rang asking if it arrived without damage.
I am grateful and lucky that I was able to acquire this panel that will allow me to bring my pride and joy back to a condition I can be proud of. My GTV6 is no show pony and has pockmarks and dings all over it at least this should be the best panel on the car once it is installed has the dings filled and is painted by professionals.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on August 13, 2019, 03:24:37 PM
I was able to visit the patient today she should be out of intensive care tomorrow.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: GTVeloce on August 25, 2019, 09:16:27 PM
What's the thing to the left of the fuel filler? Is it a rod or drain? Was it there or has someone added it?

Good pic by the way. I have disassembled a few of these but never had that panel off so nice to see what it looks like naked.
Title: Re: left rear panel
Post by: sportiva on August 26, 2019, 03:16:12 PM
It's a drain under the long rear window