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Technical => 116 Series (Alfetta Sedan/GT/GTV & Giulietta Sedan) => Topic started by: gtvsix86 on September 24, 2018, 07:35:42 AM

Title: GTV Rarity
Post by: gtvsix86 on September 24, 2018, 07:35:42 AM
I was reading the attachment Magazine and was shocked at how many Alfetta GTV's are still on the road in the UK....... Only 38! Not too many 75's and 164's either. Good to keep this in the back of your mind when thinking of the value of our cars. Sorry about the poor quality image I had to resize it to post it
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: gtvsix86 on September 24, 2018, 07:40:26 AM
MODERN CLASSICS MAGAZINE
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: Paul Newby on September 24, 2018, 12:31:45 PM
Does the 38 refer to GTV6s or all Alfetta GTVs? I doubt that there would be more than a handful of steel bumper Alfetta GT or GTVs that survive in the UK. The salt that they put on the road there and the intrinsically low values of Alfetta GTVs over many years would have seen to that.

It is a very different story here in Australia where the survival rate is much higher, albeit a lot of Alfettas have either been turned into race cars or wrecked for parts because for many years they weren't worth very much.
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: Alfetta77 on September 24, 2018, 12:56:12 PM
Interesting, thanks for sharing. Makes the hassle of keeping to originality (or at least retaining / sourcing all the original parts) feel a bit more worthwhile!
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: Garibaldi on September 24, 2018, 01:00:32 PM
The values of these cars are starting to rise.

With some good 105 series coupes now getting close to six figures it is only a matter of time before the Alfetta GTVs, particularly the early chrome bumper models, prices start to increase rapidly.

So if you are lucky enough to have one of these hang onto it, it's a great investment.  8)
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: Paul Gulliver on September 24, 2018, 02:22:51 PM
This subject was covered a few years ago under the heading "Alfetta GT stocks are rising". That topic featured an  interesting tool          www.howmanyareleft.co.uk

This is where the magic number 38 came from . Quick check now reveals that the number is  now 35.

In answer to Paul Newby's question , the site doesn't distinguish between GT , GTV , GTV6. So who knows.
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: Citroƫnbender on September 24, 2018, 03:13:39 PM
I tend to use howmanyleft.co.uk but believe both include SORN titles so it's not an accurate reflection of how many of a particular make or model are actually "on the road".
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: poohbah on September 24, 2018, 04:46:14 PM
I wish we had a similar registry here in Australia. I'd love to know how many are left here. Knowing could potentially add thousands to the asking price if we could advertise our cars as "one of only XX left on the road".

I really am now becoming confident that I will one day have a car worth more than I have spent on it!
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: philpot on September 24, 2018, 05:28:38 PM
Hi gtvsix86,

Thnx for the heads up on these numbers, I just did the same for Suds and 33's and have added the links to the 900 series page.

How accurate do people think these figures are? Does the uk have a club permit scheme and is that linked to this data?

Oh,  their figures for Sud's:   90

                                   33's:   47

With only 17 16V's   

:o

Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: GG105 on September 24, 2018, 10:19:55 PM
Gents, rarity, although its helpful, doesn't necessarily translate to value.

For capital appreciation, as with all assets, value only increases as does demand. Its hard for me to see Alfetta prices ever eclipsing 105s, mostly because of the more compromised driving experience. The crap build quality doesn't help either.

Regrettably, most of the value will be in mint, original GTV6s..The four cylinder cars are the better driving experience, but they are too slow and lack the charisma of the V6s.
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: aggie57 on September 24, 2018, 10:45:24 PM
Quote from: GG105 on September 24, 2018, 10:19:55 PM
Gents, rarity, although its helpful, doesn't necessarily translate to value.

For capital appreciation, as with all assets, value only increases as does demand. Its hard for me to see Alfetta prices ever eclipsing 105s, mostly because of the more compromised driving experience. The crap build quality doesn't help either.

Regrettably, most of the value will be in mint, original GTV6s..The four cylinder cars are the better driving experience, but they are too slow and lack the charisma of the V6s.

Personally the early GT/GTV's have a purity of style and driving that is compromised in the later GTV and the GTV6.  Yes, a GTV6 is faster (although in standard form by surprisingly little in the real world) and yes the engine has a wonderful sound.  But having owned and driven both over several years and many km's if the choice now was a standard-as-produced-by-Alfa version then it would be an early GT or perhaps an early steel number GTV.  Wonderful, underrated cars.

I do agree though, the way 105 prices are at the moment it's hard to imagine 116 series coupes getting close in actual $ value.

Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: gtvsix86 on September 25, 2018, 11:20:44 AM
Value to me wasn't the price of sale that some are replying about but the Value of retaining the car especially if you have a well sorted one. Also those that are now embarking on big restorations (Myself included) like some have done with the 105's it helps soften the blow knowing that there aren't many left and the Value's could catch up with the spend in the long run. Anyways enjoy them if you have one because they are getting harder to find especially good ones.
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: philpot on September 25, 2018, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: gtvsix86 on September 25, 2018, 11:20:44 AM
Value to me wasn't the price of sale that some are replying about but the Value of retaining the car especially if you have a well sorted one. Also those that are now embarking on big restorations (Myself included) like some have done with the 105's it helps soften the blow knowing that there aren't many left and the Value's could catch up with the spend in the long run. Anyways enjoy them if you have one because they are getting harder to find especially good ones.

Well said.  My thoughts exactly  :)
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: GeeTV on September 26, 2018, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: GG105 on September 24, 2018, 10:19:55 PM
Gents, rarity, although its helpful, doesn't necessarily translate to value.

For capital appreciation, as with all assets, value only increases as does demand. Its hard for me to see Alfetta prices ever eclipsing 105s, mostly because of the more compromised driving experience. The crap build quality doesn't help either.

Regrettably, most of the value will be in mint, original GTV6s..The four cylinder cars are the better driving experience, but they are too slow and lack the charisma of the V6s.

'Driving experience' can be subjective and I can't imagine 'build quality' being a major driving factor for Mr Average Joe making a vintage car purchase.
It's more likely a fond childhood memory/passion/experience coupled with the financial ability - All of which can often culminate with age.

The age of the 116 is probably still on the horizon?

Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: Citroƫnbender on September 26, 2018, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: GeeTV on September 26, 2018, 01:33:21 PM
'Driving experience' can be subjective and I can't imagine 'build quality' being a major driving factor for Mr Average Joe making a vintage car purchase.
It's more likely a fond childhood memory/passion/experience coupled with the financial ability - All of which can often culminate with age.
So true! And always (to me) a bit sad when something noted as a "driver's car" becomes too valuable in the eyes of most investor-owners for taking on a proper drive.
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: gtvsix86 on February 08, 2019, 04:20:46 PM
Jan 2019 Classic Car Magazine
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: carlo rossi on February 08, 2019, 06:36:42 PM
can we start a register on this site?
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: bonno on February 08, 2019, 07:44:08 PM
Carlo, it sounds like a good idea and would just require enough interest for this to happen for the web administrators to act accordingly. It maybe along similar lines to the 105 register contained at the following link.
http://www.alfaclubvic.org.au/forum/index.php?topic=4993.0
Cheers
bonno
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: carlo rossi on February 08, 2019, 08:16:23 PM
lets do it talk to admin and every entry will have an identifier number
by numerical order as they list
so you can be  a001  steel bumber gets a post s eg a001s
if its alive but not registered
its starts with b001
if its a wreck its a x001
what do you guys think?
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: bonno on February 08, 2019, 08:38:07 PM
Carlo, there is also a 116 register on the NSW area of this forum but seem to have little to no  activity of late. Maybe a National register along the lines you propose would be the go rather than just posting of photos.
cheers
bonno   
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: poohbah on February 09, 2019, 11:11:48 AM
Sounds good to me - what info would we need to provide? I have obvious details for mine like VIN, dates of manufacture, import and first rego (and some basics from Marco Fazio), but most of the car's history is lost, and no way the mileage on the ODO can be correct (no idea how many times its been around the world!)
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: Garibaldi on February 09, 2019, 08:33:18 PM
I'm in if you get it happening.
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: John A Pucak on February 10, 2019, 11:28:34 AM
me too
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: gtv6sv on February 10, 2019, 02:53:55 PM
Same here!

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Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: carlo rossi on February 10, 2019, 03:00:03 PM
well ok lets start a new topic
"alfetta 116 register"
Bonno you start with " a 001" year of manufacture and a vin

thanks guys great start we have I think 7 already
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: poohbah on February 11, 2019, 08:05:52 PM
Bit of a nerdy question - Looking at the info from the first few to have registered their details, how does the AR VIN numbering formula work?

Is it simple sequential numbering of chassis as they rolled off the production line?

If so, there seem to be some other complicating factors - Bonno's '83 VIN is quite close to my '81 VIN (both show 301 followed by 4 digits) but they are way different to Festy's '79 VIN (which is 000 followed by 4 digits) despite a roughly two year gap sequentially between each vehicle.
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: carlo rossi on February 12, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
dont know but garibaldi and festy cars were on the production line at the same time
with only one car between them
family reunion ooohhh
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: poohbah on February 12, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
Well spotted re Festy and Garibaldi.

I wonder if the 301 prefix designates the commencement of plastic-bumper series cars?
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: carlo rossi on February 12, 2019, 07:43:25 PM
thinking its the series 2 designation
except they still had a lot of split dashes left
so lhd got splits alot longer
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: Garibaldi on February 12, 2019, 08:23:24 PM
Quote from: carlo rossi on February 12, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
dont know but garibaldi and festy cars were on the production line at the same time
with only one car between them
family reunion ooohhh

Yes it's amazing, what are the chances? I did a double take when I saw that.  :o
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: poohbah on February 12, 2019, 08:28:00 PM
Mine certainly has the split dash, and '81 was the year the plastic bumper models were introduced.

Just did a bit of Google research and the 11637 prefix is simply the designation of RHD cars (LHD was designated 11636).

Anyway - surely there are more than 7 GTVs in the hands of club/forum members?

I know there are at least another three or four 2.0Ls in WA that are still registered, in addition to a handful of GTV6s.
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: carlo rossi on February 13, 2019, 06:13:52 PM
yes thats seems reasonable i was also looking at the 03 prefix after this
is this the 2nd series identifier?
also very cool about festy car and garibaldi cars .
I reackon there are more stories like this to come .
get on and register and have a family reunion
Title: Re: GTV Rarity
Post by: poohbah on February 13, 2019, 06:28:16 PM
yeah, I am assuming the 301 references the second series (from '81) but i can't find anything that confirms it.