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State Divisions => Queensland => Topic started by: jbj4700 on July 28, 2018, 04:57:17 PM

Title: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: jbj4700 on July 28, 2018, 04:57:17 PM
Hi guys, I'm looking to downgrade from a fairly new car worth 14k to a sub 5k car, pay off debts and start saving for a house, I had a 2003 156 JTS SS a few years ago and sold it.  Have found this car but I don't think it's worth 4.5k more like 3k, I struggled to get 2.5k for my 156 in 2016 with 130,000km, though it was a SS, mileage is a tad high on this one. I only do 5000km a year so don't drive much.

What does everyone think?


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Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: jbj4700 on July 28, 2018, 05:21:42 PM
He's been trying to sell for about 2 months, from personal experience this doesn't mean anything is wrong with it, mine took 4 months.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: jbj4700 on July 28, 2018, 05:45:27 PM
Has gearbox oil leaking from bellhousing, they won't provide rwc, pass...
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: CitroŽnbender on July 28, 2018, 06:10:18 PM
Sure it's gear oil?
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: 105gta on July 28, 2018, 06:53:15 PM
The oil leaking from the bell housing is most likely engine oil from the 2 rubber Welch plugs in the back of the block, either way it's a gearbox out job.
I'd offer 2.5k and see how you go. At that mileage check the service history, ask for receipts! As you'll be up for timing belts as well.
Good bargaining tools 😉
If you're planning to do the work yourself parts aren't that expensive but the labour is if you're paying someone else to do it.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: jbj4700 on July 28, 2018, 10:09:28 PM
I haven't looked at the car so not sure what the oil is, but I got a bad vibe from them, every time I've ignored bad vibes I've ended up with a car needing tons of work, I can do most of the work myself but really don't want to do major repairs to a car just to get it on the road unless it's a real bargain, if I'm pulling the gearbox then I'd be doing a clutch kit so the bargain factor decreases, apparently the head gasket was done and it started leaking afterwards so it may well be the head gasket.

They didn't seem to want to budge much on the price claiming they know what they're worth and they'll be a classic collector car soon.

The main thing that bothers me was the guy was going to let me keep the rego in his name as they don't want to do a rwc on it, it's unlikely to pass one with the oil leak, but it worries me there may be a lot more wrong with it.  Bad experiences have made me very skeptical and pessimistic unfortunately.

P.S.
I realise a rwc doesn't mean a car is good, but if a car is a great as people are saying why won't they spend $70 on a rwc? especially when their asking price is on the higher end and when QLD roadworthy inspections aren't very good anyway, I've had two done since moving here from VIC and was shocked that it took five to ten minutes with no photo's and no roadtest.  On the second one I had done the guy just sat in the drivers seat for a few seconds, popped the bonnet and looked at the brake rotors, he didn't even look underneath it.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: poohbah on July 28, 2018, 10:24:16 PM
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they know what they're worth and they'll be a classic collector car soon

I want what they are smoking - and I love my 156. But classic collector car? err nuh-uh. Unless maybe if you have a GTA, and keep it til 2030.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: CitroŽnbender on July 28, 2018, 10:34:43 PM
If you're seriously wanting to save money, I don't think this is the right car. By your statement, you don't drive much so fuel usage in anything is not a big deal (assuming it comes in under 20 litres per hundred). What will get you is age-related maintenance; timing belts that fall due at three or four years, tyres that dry-crack before they wear out. 

Some "cockroach" cars under 20 years old I can think of include the CRV, the last Shagna, six pot BA Flagons (check for rust), the 2 litre Xsara if you do the belt on time, early E46 sedan if you internet shop your parts.

If you want cheap and bland, a Sydney neighbour has an unreg '04 Mazda 3 series that would go very cheap and needs stuff-all for a roadie; probably belt, battery, wiper blades and coolant flush.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: poohbah on July 28, 2018, 10:40:38 PM
I seem to recall the last time we had this discussion CB, the cheap but trusty beige-mobile morphed into a not-so-cheap 159... ;D
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: hammer on July 28, 2018, 10:54:23 PM
I owned that car from 2008 to 2013. I bought it from the original owner, AROCA member Grant Sigston, and sold it to AROCA member Rob Cantle. Rob Cantle sold it to the current owner, who lives up Rockhampton way.

It was an awesome little car to drive (lowered on Eibach springs), but has lived a full 14 years. Both Rob Cantle and I did club sprints in it - a task it handled admirably.

I replaced the gearbox at about 80,000km, after breaking first gear. Belts were always done on time and the service record was kept up to date until 2016. I can't speak to the service record since then.

Good luck with your car shopping.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: poohbah on July 28, 2018, 10:56:07 PM
Speaking of unrealistic expectations - there's a lady owner in Perth who thinks her 2005 156 Ti is worth $15,000...
She's gonna be waiting a looooooooong time for a buyer.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: CitroŽnbender on July 28, 2018, 11:00:30 PM
Godot will arrive first.

And hats off to Hammer for a nice potted history of the car for sale.  :D
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: SeleMatt on July 29, 2018, 07:42:10 PM
That $15,000 156 has been for sale for ages already...good for a collector she tells us in the ad...

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Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: jbj4700 on July 31, 2018, 05:33:58 PM
Decided to go in a different direction, looking at a Mini Cooper S JCW tonight. 10k, might get it for 9, will knock out one loan and take a chunk out of another.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: CitroŽnbender on July 31, 2018, 07:21:57 PM
You are trolling the forum, surely?
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: jbj4700 on August 01, 2018, 05:42:23 AM
No, but clearly I've overstayed my welcome lol
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: Craig_m67 on August 01, 2018, 08:32:31 AM
You are trolling the forum, surely?

Ha.. why say that?

A newer mini JCW is bound to be a more reliable car than a much older 156, good on ya!
Completely off brief also, but lifeís like that..

Iím 6í3.. never fitted comfortably in a mini.. nor did two kids under three, the pram and associated crap from Bunnings :)

Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: Cupcake on August 01, 2018, 11:25:30 AM
I owned that car from 2008 to 2013. I bought it from the original owner, AROCA member Grant Sigston, and sold it to AROCA member Rob Cantle. Rob Cantle sold it to the current owner, who lives up Rockhampton way.

It was an awesome little car to drive (lowered on Eibach springs), but has lived a full 14 years. Both Rob Cantle and I did club sprints in it - a task it handled admirably.

I replaced the gearbox at about 80,000km, after breaking first gear. Belts were always done on time and the service record was kept up to date until 2016. I can't speak to the service record since then.

Good luck with your car shopping.
Yep, Rob's the sort of guy who would look after it well. However, he did run it in the sprints, so it had a bit of a hard life under his ownership. He spent a lot of money on upgrades to it.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: jbj4700 on August 01, 2018, 06:47:56 PM
Bought Mini... now I'll leave.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: poohbah on August 03, 2018, 01:25:29 PM
You'll be back one day.
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: ugame on August 17, 2018, 04:06:10 PM
You'll be back one day.

Anyone else hearing Hotel California playing in their heads?

"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: bazzbazz on August 17, 2018, 05:28:02 PM
When he gets tired of the Porsche he'll get a Giulia Veloce or QV, just you see.   ;)
Title: Re: Would 3k be a lowball or fair?
Post by: ugame on August 17, 2018, 05:50:26 PM
When he gets tired of the Porsche he'll get a Giulia Veloce or QV, just you see.   ;)

Mate, I already warned the wife "I still have to own a V6 Busso at some point".

BUT I dont think "bored of the Porsche" will be an issue.....ever. The recent drive to Toodjay on twisting country roads confirmed this to me last weekend.

This car has more to give than I will ever need.